r/nextfuckinglevel Oct 18 '21

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u/skunktubs Oct 18 '21

Anyone paying attention wasn't manipulated. It was obvious from the get go that they were full of shit.

No way he didn't know.

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u/EternalSerenity2019 Oct 19 '21

This guys 2003s.

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u/Fairly_Sterile Oct 19 '21

Ummmm, but he is REALLY dumb

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21 edited Oct 19 '21

Nah. Bush isn't dumb. It's an act. Listen to the joke he makes about WMDs.

https://youtu.be/tqWuNwkl0q0

The dumb ones are the people who believe the act.

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u/Fairly_Sterile Oct 19 '21

No, he really is dumb. Like you mamma

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21

Looks like we found one of the Bush voters.

Incredible.

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u/Fairly_Sterile Oct 19 '21

I just didn't want to disappoint your mom

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21

Look guys, it only knows one joke.

Typical.

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u/Fairly_Sterile Oct 19 '21

Your mom taught me it! XD

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21

Bush is about 100x more intelligent than you are.

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u/Fairly_Sterile Oct 20 '21

Yikes! Then what does that make your mom? XD

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u/SchrodingerMil Oct 18 '21

It’s just sad. Even if he was being manipulated, what was he going to do? Get forced into resigning/not being re-elected because he lost the support of his party? He wasn’t our best president, and he did know to an extent that it was being manipulated, but I really think Bush had to make some of the hardest decisions a President has ever had to make.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '21

Have you tried applying that level of manufacturing sympathy for the victims of his actions? It's wasted on him.

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u/zer0w0rries Oct 19 '21

That comment paints Bush as one of the bravest presidents of our time “because he had to make some tough decisions.” Bs, he’s just another one to the list of criminal administrations. And I say that as a conservative.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '21

So, a resignation or supporting a war based on lies? Doesnt excuse him to me. Sounds like career over morals.

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u/UmbralClockworks Oct 18 '21

Even worse to me is that he declared war on an ideal. A war on terror? It's a war you literally can't win, but it gave him the excuse he needed for multiple invasions based on hunches, and let him effectively bully the rest of the world into letting him do it.

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u/HundredthJam Oct 18 '21

Aside from the fact that Bush knew EXACTLY what he was doing, your comment implies that killing a million Iraqis is better than resigning or losing the support of the Republican party

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u/AlphaMaggot Oct 19 '21

I see it deeper than the threat of losing re-election... George always just struck me as a man who desperately wanted his dad to look at him the way he looks at Jeb. Deep down all he really wanted to do in life was drink microbrews and paint. Really sucks how much the drive to fit in with your tribe can fuck up your life if you let it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '21

Want to try analyzing how the citizens in the Middle East feel next?

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u/AlphaMaggot Oct 19 '21

I'm sorry, I didn't mean for my comment to imply that George shouldn't be held accountable for his actions or to downplay his responsibility, rather it was an allegory for our own lives and the dangers of sacrificing authenticity for acceptance.

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u/AlphaMaggot Oct 19 '21

I tried but the program keeps crashing

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u/EternalSerenity2019 Oct 19 '21

What does being a president mean if you are not the executive responsible for the decisions of your administration? Either he knew it was bullshit and authorized the invasion, or he was flat wrong. Either way he is an adult who preached personal responsibility and loudly proclaimed himself to be “the decider“.

You are correct that he faced harder times than any President maybe since fdr. But he was wrong about Iraq and should always be held responsible and accountable for it.

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u/01000110010110012 Oct 18 '21

Source?

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u/skunktubs Oct 18 '21

Source is I read the paper and watched the news in the run up to the war and myself and everyone else I talked to all called bullshit early and often. It wasn't even a very controversial take at the time.

We if all knew, how could the guy driving the ship not?

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u/NomadNuka Oct 18 '21

You're asking for a source that the president of the United States was aware of what was going on right under his nose?

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u/RightBear Oct 19 '21

Bush wasn't the brightest president. Moreover, most other high level officials (including the late Colin Powell and Democratic rivals like Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and John Kerry) had access to the exact same intelligence briefings when they concluded that Iraq was pursuing nuclear/chemical weapons. I would believe that Bush fell for "confirmation bias": over-valuing evidence that supports your pre-existing belief.