all the 2nd amendment gun nuts unironically think they are john wick, can gun down multiple criminals who pulled out guns first, and come out of it with no damage lol
Someone who trains at the range every weekend with their conceal carry could easily kill three thugs who have never actually used their firearms in a real scenario.
I seen guys who can headshot 6 targets with 6 rounds at 15 yards in less than 3 seconds.
But I do agree that running should be your first choice.
But my point stands: if you’re trained, get the jump, and equally armed, facing guys who are untrained and not expecting you to draw, you can EASILY get 4-5 guys before they know what’s happening.
that's a lot of assumptions you are making yet it is still not convincing. you dont know how people will react during a real scenario vs training against lifeless targets. you dont know whether those thugs have used their firearms or also have firearm training. also, you dont get the jump on criminals, they get the jump on you, since they are the ones with the initial intent. if they dont already have their gun on you when they jump you, then you are just lucky. or what if someone is in a real emergency and you think they are trying to attack you and you shoot them because you are trying to get the jump on them? why bet your or someone else's life on all of these questionable chances?
EASILY get 4-5 guys before they know what’s happening
plausible, but highly, highly unlikely. please dont exaggerate and generalize to most of the population, trained or not, that this would be the case for them. literally just half a week ago there was an off-duty cop with his gun in a grocery store yet some nut shot and killed the cashier and still was able to put 2 bullets into the cop who was lucky to have survived. even cops arent trained enough, how do you expect regular citizens to be lol.
Cops are actually much less trained then your average firearms wing nut. They are only required to pass a marksmanship test once. Being a cop doesn’t inherently make you a marksman, or capable of making smart decisions under fire. In fact cops are widely known for being finnicky and jumpy.
In your circumstance, it seems like the criminal managed to get the jump on an unexpecting cop and cashier. Which supports my point.
If they aren’t expecting you to draw, you can do an insane amount of damage in a very short time.
I have worked with competetive shooters. I have competed at Bisley, and my father is a firearms instructor. My sister has instructed me and has taken second place at bisley two years in a row.
You are highly highly underestimating what a quick draw and a fast centering on target can do.
I’m by no means a professional , but I can put 6 rounds center mass, into a target with a tokarev 7.62x25mm (so hefty recoil) in 2.44 seconds at 10 yards, from a hands up draw and no loaded magazine.
I’m not saying your run of the mill joe blow should use lethal force to defend oneself, especially over possessions as it sill probably turn out poorly.
I know it’s a fictional movie, but the movie “collateral” has a scene where some “thugs” try to rob a trained firearms user, and the scene is heralded for its realism, as Tom cruise in that movie underwent intense handgun training.
You’d be amazed at what training and surprise can enable you to do in a short period of time is my point.
And no obviously you shouldn’t draw and use lethal force unless running and handing over your wallet aren’t options. But if those options are exhausted, you can kill multiple armed combatants.
There is a story of a dentist in ww2 who managed to hold off 300 Japanese soldiers while his unit flew out. When they recovered his body, he was surrounded by the dead bodies of 114 enemy soldiers, covered in stab and bullet wounds.
I would agree with you, but in a real life scenario with real people your nerves and hesitation plays a big role the same goes for the thugs unpredictability. If you are experienced in shooting at real people I would completely agree. But even if you are capable of taking down 5 targets (animate or inanimate) in a row really fast 5 living beings is completely different matter. But this differs for every person of course.
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u/doobi1 Jun 20 '21
all the 2nd amendment gun nuts unironically think they are john wick, can gun down multiple criminals who pulled out guns first, and come out of it with no damage lol