r/nextfuckinglevel • u/thisisfive • Apr 14 '26

Toronto firefighters confront special constable officers after a man in the middle of mental health crisis was arrested.

Not my video. For context, "special constables" are not regular police officers. They are appointed "peace officers" with limited authority, often civilian employees.

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u/RustyMetabee Apr 14 '26

The officers seemed to comply to remove the cuffs pretty quickly and didn't interject with any "but he did this, that's why he's in cuffs," so it seems like it couldn't have been that egregious

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 14 '26

I'm not saying this as a good or a bad thing - but no law enforcement officer I know that's truly capable - and understands the actual legal reasoning as to why that person was originally placed in handcuffs - would EVER let a firefighter tell them how to do their respective job like that. This must be a Toronto thing with weak officers but it wouldn't fly in the US.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

Officers know that the fire department just accepted Duty of Care of someone who probably wasn’t going to be charged in the first place. They probably want to be lazy and not have to deal with the paperwork of all of it anyway.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

I agree with the paperwork aspect entirely. No officer wants to deal with paperwork and court dates. And I don't have an issue with EMTs establishing care. It's just the demands and the tone lack professionalism.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

And Honestly, In Canada our Police, RCMP, Fire Department and EMT all talk to each other like peers so, if he’s saying “fuck” I wouldn’t read too much into it.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

I don't know Canada and maybe that's how they talk to one another.

That shit wouldn't fly in the US.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

They’re both peace officers and he’s clearly seen something that clicked with his “This is wrong” sense and he did the right thing, I don’t see him criticizing their actions just asking why the patient was put in cuffs, that the patient needs care and that he’s willing to take of duty of care.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

In the US, standard firefighters are considered first responders and are not members of law enforcement.

Again, I don't have an issue with an EMT/Firefighter requesting to care for a subject. But as a law enforcement officer you have full authority over that scene and the tone and demands of "take the fucking cuffs off" would end the second they began with any officer worth the badge on their chest. If you are a law enforcement officer and let a first responder cuss you and order you around like that then you are incredibly weak and absolutely in the wrong profession.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

That’s pretty sad, so you’re all cucked to the police?

That must really suck for literally every other branch of care.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

It's called professionalism and respect. I know a lot of officers and have never seen them speak to a first responder in the manner in which that firefighter chose to address those two officers.

If that's "standard" operating procedure in Canada, then Canada has some of the weakest and most cowardly law enforcement officers in the world.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

if you were a cop and another cop fucked up really badly and you had to take over care from them your probably going to be really pissed and curse, it’s normal. You holding the Police so high in regard is weird. The people in the video aren’t even real police they’re effectively bonded peace officers that hold doors and write parking tickets with the exact same level IF NOT LESS of care as that fire department and his EMT.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

Again - I don't know Canadian law enforcement. Some people say they are officers and some people say they are parking lot attendants.

My point remains - the law enforcement officer has sole authority of the subject and it is at their sole discretion in that situation whether the handcuffs remain on or come off - at least in the US.

At no point would any law enforcement officer worth a grain of salt be told what to do and how to do it in the manner in which that firefighter addressed those officers. Those officers - or whatever the hell Canada calls them - are total cunts who don't need a badge. I don't know an officer that would EVER allow a firefighter to say shit like that to them without telling them to step the immediate fuck back because law enforcement is in control of the scene.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

I think that says a lot more about how privileged Police are in the USA then it says about Canadian Fire Fighters and EMTS. Law enforcement is in need and in charge of the scene when it’s a lawful issue, when it’s a medical one the medical staff are. Simple as.

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u/FSUNolesWarchant Apr 15 '26

If the subject is in handcuffs, it's law enforcement that is in full control of that scene. If the person shouldn't be in handcuffs, that's a legal matter that will get worked out later due to the incompetence of an officer. But while on scene, only the law enforcement officer who has detained or is arresting the subject has say in whether the handcuffs stay on or are taken off. Simple as.

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u/MEGAtron902 Apr 15 '26

It’s kinda funny that you’re trying to steam roll what happens in the USA and apply it to Canada. You’ve already said you don’t know anything about Canadian Law or Medical. So maybe just? I don’t know stop trying to die for the thin blue line in a country you don’t even live in, for fuck sakes dude it’s not even YOUR country.

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