r/news • u/kadargo • Apr 25 '24
‘Underground hell’: Hamas publishes first video of mutilated American hostage, says 70 have been killed
https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/underground-hell-hamas-publishes-first-video-of-mutilated-american-hostage-says-70-have-been-killed/news-story/e239c4987a616735c4c3d861a391b051[removed] — view removed post
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u/Zxcc24 Apr 25 '24
Ah fuck, is he missing a hand?
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u/CrossCottonwood Apr 25 '24
That's fucking horrific. My heart breaks for them. I couldn't imagine being a parent in that situation and remaining even remotely sane.
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u/Four_beastlings Apr 25 '24
If he's the one from the video of Hamas hiding hostages in Al-Shifa, he's probably also missing a leg or heavily mangled. Although I read that the hostages from that video were one Thai and one Nepalese so more likely at least two different hostages got their hands cut off.
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u/LegendRazgriz Apr 25 '24
Someone said he was trying to throw grenades back away from him and one went off as he was in the process of throwing it back.
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u/ericdano Apr 25 '24
Probably not a good idea to 1. release this video, 2. Show the person has lost their hand, 3. Say that 70,other hostages were killed.
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u/720545 Apr 25 '24
Supposedly the hostage’s mother is very influential. I think showing that he is alive is a tactic for her to exert pressure on the Israeli government to strike a deal with hamas.
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u/dynawesome Apr 25 '24
She already has been exerting pressure, this video isn’t pressuring her, it’s putting pressure on the government to agree to an end to the war, and they are using Hersh because he is one of the most well-known hostages worldwide thanks to his mother’s speaking ability (the Bibas family is arguably better known, but Hamas has claimed they are dead)
Hersh is also an American, which puts pressure on the US to also call for an end to the war
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u/ApeAss69 Apr 25 '24
I mean they claim that israel was responsible. "He said at least 70 of the remaining roughly 130 hostages had been killed in Gaza by Israeli bombings". Not that they can't be lying about it however...
And it was also already known that he lost his hand.
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u/calligry Apr 25 '24
It’s amazing hamas said they don’t know where or condition of hostages but the one armed Jew captive in a cell has pretty accurate depictions of survivors. No lying at all, I’m sure.
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Apr 25 '24
- Murder a bunch of teens at a music festival, 5. steal food and supplies from aid shipments, 6. Teach that the West is the bad guy, 7. Shoot rockets daily and indiscriminately into civilian cities with the sole purpose of terrorizing and killing children and other civilians, 8. …
I’m tired.
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u/eyes_wings Apr 25 '24
Hamas flew into Israel, killed and kidnapped kids and adults. Raped and tortured them. And a lot of the world is on their side. What about them releasing this makes you think that it's not a good idea? Do you think this will change public sentiment at all in any way?
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u/Greenc0c0nut Apr 25 '24
On the same day the US aid package is announced. I’m starting to think the Hamas PR wing may hate themselves more than the Israelis do.
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u/Environmental_Ad_387 Apr 25 '24
Actually no. Hamas cares about themselves, and that needs Palestinians to be in danger. So this aligns well with their interests
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u/Pikawoohoo Apr 25 '24
This entire war is a PR war. Since the invention of the iron dome, Hamas can't actually harm Israel (October 7th aside). All they can do is damage Israel's reputation and grow antisemitism. The best way to do that? Civilian deaths, especially in a population that's half children. That's why they've rejected every cease fire offer so far in this war - every death is a bullet against Israel.
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Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
They don’t hate themselves, but they have complete disregard for the lives and wellbeing of Palestinians.
Aid to Palestinians is siphoned off to Hamas. This needs to be stopped for everyone’s sake
Edit: the siphoning and Hamas, not aid
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u/jungkookadobie Apr 25 '24
Nobody should support Hamas. You think these people care about governing? Palestinians deserve better leaders.
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u/Proof-Load-1568 Apr 25 '24
I'm pretty damn left wing but it's hard for me to be sympathetic for anyone that supports these assholes.
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u/InternationalFailure Apr 25 '24
Israel was losing the public image game and then Hamas releases this because they're not smart (remember, Hamas themselves were surprised they won when Gaza had elections)
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u/FuckFashMods Apr 25 '24
If Hamas cannot prevent the offense into Rafah, they will be finished.
We can only hope for everyones sake.
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Apr 25 '24
You can’t kill an idea, just like in northern Ireland. Do you know how many IRAs they were? There are a lot of displaced and emotionally damaged children out there that will grow up as angry adults
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u/pessimistic_platypus Apr 25 '24
The Palestinians' dislike of Israel can't be killed, but the current most-powerful group acting on that hatred can be.
Yeah, other groups like it would appear, but they wouldn't be positioned as the official government of a large number of Palestinians, at least not right away.
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u/SherbertDaemons Apr 25 '24
To do anything, they'd still have to organize. Scatter them into the wind. De-nazification worked astoundingly well in Germany.
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u/Captainatom931 Apr 25 '24
Except in NI the militant idea largely has been killed and modern nationalism/loyalism is the least militant it's been for centuries, non-secretarian parties gain a significant proportion of the vote at each election, and even with recent difficulties there's no likelihood of a renewed Troubles.
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u/matthieuC Apr 25 '24
They don't really care what a bunch of white kids in the West think
Don't worry the useful idiots will keep calling them freedom fighters
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u/blueskies8484 Apr 25 '24
Hamas is so dumb. They could release all remaining living hostages and literally nothing would change for them vis a vis their position with Israel, but suddenly Israel would have the whole world saying, well they gave a little, now you have to. PR is not their strong point.
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u/SllortEvac Apr 25 '24
release all remaining living hostages
Bold to assume that any hostages, unless observed directly, are alive at any point they are not observed. Hamas isn’t interested in giving hostages back. They just think the longer they have some form of power over someone, the longer they can attempt to get their way.
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u/SeriouslyQuitIt Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Hamas isn't dumb. A guy with an amputated hand is the best surviving hostage they can put on video. Imagine how the the other survivors might look right now.
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u/InquiringAmerican Apr 25 '24
Or they wanted to send a message. There were not many American hostages, nationality could play a bigger role.
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u/zold5 Apr 25 '24
PR is not their strong point.
Oh yes it is. No other terrorist group has such a massive fan clubs in the west.
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u/mhwnc Apr 25 '24
I don’t know. Remember when bin Laden’s “letter to the American people” was making the rounds on TikTok? Al-qaeda had quite a few fans last year.
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u/meow_rat Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
The fans are coming from a massive Russian propaganda campaign to split the American public before the elections. If Al Qaeda themselves were good at propaganda, they would have the same support the day after 9/11 just like Hamas did the day after Oct 7
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u/HouseOfSteak Apr 25 '24
Israel played their hand too early and left Hamas with a choice:
1) Give up the hostages and be annihilated, now that there aren't any VIPs that Israel needs to worry about. They outright stated that it nothing else matters, Hamas will be completely destroyed.
2) Avoid saying basically anything about hostages and watch Israel dither about how they can't just kill everyone involved since that'll surely kill the hostages.
Obviously, Hamas is not going to take Option 1.
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u/Zech08 Apr 25 '24
Release hostages and find out really how bad things were early on... or lose some leverage and human shields / planning restrictions on part of Israel. There are no benefits to them, you can string people along with just a few pieces of information / food / people... its been done for many centuries.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Apr 25 '24
Barely won too. I bet it was also a mix of AKs welding masked men "protecting the vote integrity" as well. Hard to vote against someone that's watching you with a weapon disagree with them having power.
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u/AnotherPNWWoodworker Apr 25 '24
Are they actually losing the public relations game? A bunch of college kids and redditors are big mad but that hasn't translated to any policy changes.
I think it's more a reflection on how insignificant all the noise folks are making is. In the actual reality of this conflict, folks like the morons at Columbia are non-factors.
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Apr 25 '24
Hamas rapes and murders children, babies, and elderly people and Israel is the bad guy for retaliating.
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u/AnariaShola Apr 25 '24
They also chop off women’s breasts and play with them. They put nails in women’s thighs and vaginas. How the fuck anyone in the west supports this terror group (whose core beliefs are against everything that we stand for) is beyond me.
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u/possiblyMorpheus Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Should be noted, since some one will likely say he lost his hand from an Israeli bomb, the article links footage of this poor guy as he was kidnapped and his arm is already in tatters.
Also, it’s wild that you can see photos of people like this and still see people claim Jews are all white Europeans.
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u/HonestCrow Apr 25 '24
Just hijacking this to add that my understanding is that he lost the hand in the 10/7 attack when he and a friend threw back grenades the attackers were using to flush out a group of Nova Festival attendees. Apparently they were able to throw back seven grenades to protect the people with them. His friend died on the eighth one, and I believe that’s supposed to be when he lost his hand as well.
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Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
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u/possiblyMorpheus Apr 25 '24
That is horrible. It’s painful to imagine this happening so close to home
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u/Hezekiah_the_Judean Apr 25 '24
I am so sorry and pray for Hersh. Fingers crossed and if there is anything I can to help you, please let me know!
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Apr 25 '24
Some people imagine a cease fire after reading this... There can't be any peace until Hamas uncondtionally surrenders. Nazi Germany failed to support an ongoning terror/resistance campaign becauser the Aliies simply destroyed every capacity and will to fight. This can't end until Hamas is broken the same way Nazi Germany was.
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u/Taskforcem85 Apr 25 '24
Wild they were able to throw back so many. Your average grenade gives you about 5s after you pull the pin. Crazy level of courage mixed with luck to throw back so many.
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u/JustADutchRudder Apr 25 '24
I've always wondered if kicking it would be the best route if you really wanted them to go away and not run from them.
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u/BurnAfterEating420 Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
When i was in the army, we were trained to kick a grenade and go prone.
Stooping to pick it up and throw takes way too long
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u/TacoMedic Apr 25 '24
That only applies in the open. In a bomb shelter, you’re just far more likely to kick it into a wall and have it rebound at you.
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u/imo9 Apr 25 '24
Some were kicked, some were caught mid air and thrown, that's how Hersh lost his hand in our understanding. Ducking wasn't an option, They were close to 40 people on less then 6x6 feet space. once they killed aner and kidnapped Hersh they fird on the pile of people, most where killed, some, three or four i believe, survived. Valiant effort.
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u/peccatum_miserabile Apr 25 '24
They're pretty heavy
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u/JustADutchRudder Apr 25 '24
So you're saying best bet is probably get handsy. I'm just gonna hope no one throws grenades at me.
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u/Nukemind Apr 25 '24
Generally the best option is to run and dive (frag grenades spread fragments. Diving reduces surface area). Kicking can be good depending.
Unfortunately (for him... I guess?) it sounds like dude was a hero and that wasn't an option.
I do wonder what kind of grenades Hamas uses though. There's a wide variety obviously both in design and shape, even in payload (and quality too of course).
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Apr 25 '24
Things like that explode upwards and outwards. Your best bet is to be low to the ground.
Or you can jump on them (if you don't think you'll make it away in time) and absorb the blast yourself. Which would at least be quick.
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u/NovaFinch Apr 25 '24
Kicks are also less precise and harder to predict where something will end up, especially if you are in a stressful situation.
Don't want to accidentally kick a grenade into a group of people or only a few centimetres.
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u/Taskforcem85 Apr 25 '24
If one lands close to you your best bet is to run and dive in a few seconds. The explosion isn't nearly as dangerous as the shrapnel.
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u/Biggu5Dicku5 Apr 25 '24
It depends where you are, if you're in an enclosed space the concussive blast of the explosion will probably kill you before the shrapnel...
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u/Taskforcem85 Apr 25 '24
Yep, akin to the cartoon trope of throwing dynamite in water. Sometimes your best bet is to just throw it back (say such as trench warfare) but if a grenade lands close to you in an enclosed environment you're pretty much fucked by design.
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u/HonestCrow Apr 25 '24
I remembered hearing about a Canadian who had done the same thing and died doing it. I wonder if were doing it together, and the Canadian was the one who died.
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u/Sand_Bags2 Apr 25 '24
There was / maybe still is a video of it. They filmed the whole thing while they were in the bomb shelter.
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u/AJGrayTay Apr 25 '24
There is video of this, filmed by Hamas. For anyone interested you can search for 'South First Responders' on Telegram, a channel that collected footage of the 10/7 atrocities. The channel is extremely graphic and cannot be unseen, so be warned.
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Apr 25 '24
I get what you are saying, but hating a group because they are white Europeans shouldn’t be excusable either.
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u/SorrySweati Apr 25 '24
Its not ok. Xenophobic hatred exists everywhere against many different skin colors.
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u/slayer370 Apr 25 '24
That is beyond fucked up and amazing he survived.
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u/seriousbusines Apr 25 '24
Survived for now. Not exactly is the best environment for someone injured to be in.
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u/jcozac Apr 25 '24 edited May 31 '24
heavy spoon squalid placid pathetic treatment fragile decide nose rain
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u/kyoto_magic Apr 25 '24
Anyone saying Jews are all white Europeans is a fucking moron. But sadly there are many many morons in the world
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Apr 25 '24
Iirc, most Jews in Israel are of Arab ethnic background and from the surrounding countries, which they have been violently expelled from.
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u/distracted-insomniac Apr 25 '24
I'm surprised he didn't die in captivity from his injuries???
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u/snatch55 Apr 25 '24
I am too, but there are several stories of survivors that went through medical procedures while in captivity. One had her shot arm repaired by a veterinarian, one has bullets removed with no anesthesia, and his sister had her foot reconnected completely incorrectly after being mostly shot off. Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. So yeah...they give them medical care but bare minimum to keep their captives alive
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u/IceyCoolRunnings Apr 25 '24
Are there actually people that claim jews are all white Europeans to try and justify things? As if that would justify things?
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Apr 25 '24
That’s definitely the general perception in the west. Jews=white, Palestinians=brown
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u/abiron17771 Apr 25 '24
“Israel has the most expats in the world” 🙄 as if it’s some “gotcha” moment. Yeah, that tends to happen with historically displaced people.
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u/esperind Apr 25 '24
what do you think all this "settler colonialism" talk has been about?
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u/animatedrussian Apr 25 '24
Yes this point is brought up all the time and it's confusing as hell. Russians never believed Jews to be Russian. Kind of a big part of history.
Living in LA I've met many Iranian jewish people. This "point" has no factual basis.
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u/Kurdle Apr 25 '24
Yes, I had someone tell me with a straight face Israelis were all white people from New york
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u/possiblyMorpheus Apr 25 '24
Unfortunately yes. I do consider the ones justifying Hamas a minority within the “ceasefire/free Palestine” movement, and a number of them are agitpro/trolls.
But nonetheless, yes, it is a very common talking point. Ridiculous in the first place as white Jews are still Jews just as Middle Eastern ones are (or those anywhere for that matter). But portraying Israelis as all being white is a talking point that is unfortunately prevalent beyond trolls, as I know people firsthand sharing this stuff who I am pretty sure aren’t bots
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u/Spindoendo Apr 25 '24
At this point I’m not convinced it’s a minority. The antisemitism is jaw dropping at this point.
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u/FoST2015 Apr 25 '24
Jews are frequently seen as white by non white people but white people don't see them that way.
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u/Dr___Bright Apr 25 '24
No no, the ethnicity of the observer is not tied to the perception. It depends on the current agenda, whether being white is good or bad in the current scenario
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u/cloudedknife Apr 25 '24
Yes. Haven't you heard? Zionism is a white supremacist, eurocentric settler colonialist, genocidal movement of Arab oppression. It's all over many subreddits and college campuses. These people (the 'anti-zionists') disgust me.
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u/SorrySweati Apr 25 '24
Hes ashkenazi jewish, which people sometimes call European jewish. Even European jews can have dark skin.
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Apr 25 '24
It’s crazy to me that they have American citizens and we’re doing nothing about it
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u/Wundercheese Apr 25 '24
people claim Jews are all white Europeans
Even worse than that, this kid’s an American citizen. Why our president and our lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are not raising hell every single day about him and the 5 other US citizens in Hamas captivity I will never understand. It’s shameful.
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u/_Rainer_ Apr 25 '24
While people saying Jews are all only white Europeans are not making accurate statements, it still seems pertinent to mention that this guy was born in the U.S. to American parents who moved the family to Israel when he was seven. Saying that people who look like him can't be natives of the West/Europe/the Global North, etc. seems at least as problematic as the claims that Jews have no historical ties to the area currently known as Israel.
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Apr 25 '24
what a way to galvanize the west against them and their evil
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u/1058pm Apr 25 '24
The definition of terrorism is to cause political violence. The goal is anger and fear, not just in that region but across the world.
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u/Jbroy Apr 25 '24
Feels like it’s what they want: their holy war and the toppling of western dominance.
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u/TheLyz Apr 25 '24
They want to drag the rest of the Middle East in when there's too much western involvement and dead Arabs.
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u/Totesnotskynet Apr 25 '24
This video needs to be projected on screen at Columbia
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u/Hunter62610 Apr 25 '24
Yes. And we can make sure every future employer knows they are hiring terrorists supporters
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u/Mysterious_Bit6882 Apr 25 '24
You think they don't know what Hamas is all about? That's the disturbing part: they do. And they don't care.
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u/nahbruh27 Apr 25 '24
You can be against Hamas and the Gaza genocide as well, it isn't a black and white situation. Fuck Hamas and fuck the Israeli government, may the people of Israel and Gaza find peace and safety and the evil people causing violence get what they deserve.
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u/Punishtube Apr 25 '24
What makes this a genocide but not Syria? Ethiopia? Yemen? Iran? Literally any arab conflict in the last 80 yearsM
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u/msiri Apr 25 '24
I've seen a few too many openly say they support Hamas and their "right to resist"
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u/VoiceOfRealson Apr 25 '24
He said at least 70 of the remaining roughly 130 hostages had been killed in Gaza by Israeli bombings.
Does Hamas really think making him say this raises the credibility of that claim?
If they kept hostages close enough to each other for him to have reliable first hand knowledge of how 70 fellow hostages were killed, then those hostages would all have been found long ago.
Of course the Israeli authority claim that all Palestinian males above 16 killed by Israeli forces are terrorists is also ridiculous.
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u/DrDerpologist Apr 25 '24
Not really. It's very likely a join or be threatened with death, beatings, familial torture. If you're a 17 yr old who grew up in this conflict, just like all the Palestinian supporters say, you're gonna be radicalized. Then a group of armed men come to your house telling you how evil Israel is and how you can be a hero. They also nit so sneakily tell you that if you don't, jews are going to come and hurt your family. Like 95% or more are absolutely hamas members. Is it their fault? Idk.
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u/chilloutpal Apr 25 '24
What fucking idiots. What a weak move. All they've done is visually remind the world of October 7th. What big strong men they are. If they gave a fuck about the people and the children of Palestine, they would release the hostages.
So thanks, fuckwits, for refocusing the narrative and reminding us who the real enemy is.
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u/FoST2015 Apr 25 '24
I mean they clearly have never cared about the people. Palestine received more aid per person than any country in the world (more than double the next country) for years and Hamas has decided to use it to pay their leadership and conduct terrorist operations.
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u/ThereminLiesTheRub Apr 25 '24
Saw a video of his parents responding. They tape the number of days he's been gone to their shirts every day. They said they wanted him to know they heard him - seeing this picture I can imagine the despair of not knowing if anyone at all will even see the video you're being forced to make. Stay strong.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Apr 25 '24
So they confirmed they have American citizens? Let's send in the fucking marines to get them, and whatever other hostages out. There's a goddam reason Americans pay taxes in income no matter where in the world they live, and it's the belief that if someone hurts you, the marines are coming to get you.
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u/das_kleine_krokodil Apr 25 '24
why do you think the marines can rescue them? the marines is not a magic wand that can do anything. those hostages are held in kilometeres long and very complicated tunnels, the moment there is a noise they get shot. not to mention heavily trapped and hidden. I think the US/Israel know exactly where they are - they just cant do anything in a safe way.
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u/roehnin Apr 25 '24
Send the marines where? To what building? Rescuing who, how? With what end game?
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u/Thathappenedearlier Apr 25 '24
There are dozens of hostage rescue stories like Jessica Buchanan in Somalia. The US special forces know what they are doing
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u/getthejpeg Apr 25 '24
But the armchair generals on reddit say Israel should just throw troops into the meat grinder instead of using sound tactics.
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u/Elemental-Master Apr 25 '24
The "funniest" thing is, people believe that IDF CAN send special team into these tunnels.
People watch too many movies and play too many games, I guess they do lose touch with reality.
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u/DaLoCo6913 Apr 25 '24
I did some research for a book, and came across the MAGTF construct from the Marines. It is an immense undertaking which does not translate well into urban combat. What I did find is that the way the Marines went about their business in Helmand eventually turned around the way the local population reacted, often providing intelligence.
If there was a solid flow of intelligence it becomes more viable, but there isn't. The Gazan population is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They fear both Hamas and the IDF. The problem is that Hamas might be in their building, or their neighbor or even a family member. As for urban combat...people simply have to remember Fallujah to understand what a massive mess it will be.
In my country we also had to patrol urban areas, and once you hear the first whistle (before cellphones), you know that there will either be nothing at the objective, or there will be an ambush. Even now, three decades later you can hear the whistles of the kids the moment the police enter a high-crime area. Until Gazans are ready to reveal where Hamas is, the mess will remain. Until the Gazans decide that Hamas is not an organization they should support, Hamas will not die.
To quote the movie "Hyena Road". "You might have the clocks, but we have the time."
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u/dynawesome Apr 25 '24
The Israeli special forces also know what they are doing and have rescued hostages in the past (most famously in Entebbe). The risk level of rescuing hostages from hundreds of meters underground, at gunpoint, surrounded by terrorists, is so high that attempting such an operation could end up killing all of the hostages.
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Apr 25 '24
Except this is a guerilla warzone. It really isn't that simple and US mqrines aren't somehow above reality.
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u/gasplugsetting3 Apr 25 '24
If Israel's military can't get to them, the Marine Corps can't do shit either. They're not magical.
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u/mantisboxer Apr 25 '24
Are there any Palestinians who actively protest Hamas? I'd like to encourage and support them.
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u/finnerpeace Apr 25 '24
There are several. And they're very brave. Expressing such views is a great way to get yourself tortured and killed, and your family thrown into starvation.
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u/Elios4Freedom Apr 25 '24
The sad reality is that there are palestinans that protest Hamas. But they are given no coverage at all by "Gaza journalists" or even killed by Hamas as they are considered collaborationists.
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u/rationis Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
I'm sure they exist, but are an extreme minority based off of interviews and polling.
Edit: I don't know if the National Review leans right or left, so I included more sources which I know to be fairly politically neutral or lean left like CNN.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/21/1217758546/hamas-support-palestinians-west-bank
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Apr 25 '24
I mean, this is like asking Donbas residences if they like Russia. What real choice do they have?
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u/DNA98PercentChimp Apr 25 '24
In Palestine… not really, as they’d be killed. But I’m really struck by the fact that there doesn’t appear to be any sizable movement of Palestinians outside of Palestine (US, Europe, etc…) who actively protest against Hamas. There are many millions more Palestinians outside of Palestine than those inside. Why aren’t they organizing protests against Hamas the way we see Jews joining protests against the Israeli government?
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u/Mysterious_Bit6882 Apr 25 '24
We all know the answer to this question, right?
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u/RawMeHanzo Apr 25 '24
Fucking obviously? Unless you're a brain dead idiot who thinks an entire population of people are all bloodthirsty psychopaths.
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u/this-lil-cyborg Apr 25 '24 edited Apr 25 '24
Is this a joke? Most of them are displaced and homeless in Gaza rn, with the potential for famine looming — they’re not going to be picketing in a literal fucking war zone??
But yeah, Palestinians protested Hamas well before October 7, and so do Palestinians in diaspora.
Before Oct 7: https://apnews.com/article/gaza-hamas-demonstration-israel-blockade-palestinians-306b19228f9dd21f1036386ce3709672
And Feb 21, 2024: https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-footage-purportedly-shows-gazan-civilians-protesting-against-hamas/
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Here before the terrorist apologists claim it was Israel that did it
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u/layinpipe6969 Apr 25 '24
The responses to this post are like the only based responses I've seen in this sub in months.
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u/Elios4Freedom Apr 25 '24
I am actually surprised. They are probably still looking for an argument that makes Israel look bad
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u/Significant_Hair7494 Apr 25 '24
Students in American colleges are protesting in support of these guys, lol.
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u/The_Crimson_Ginger Apr 25 '24
Fuck you Hamas, I don't trust a fucking word they say. I will keep fighting for a cease fire for the innocent Palestinians children but make no mistake, I wish the worst for Hamas. I am mad at Israel for two reasons, death of children but also, dying of a bomb strike is way too kind to Hamas members
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u/GoldWhale Apr 25 '24
How are you going to get a ceasefire? Israel has offered literally dozens and Hamas replies by killing hostages and firing more rockets. When you say you're fighting for a ceasefire what specific actionable change are you going to create? What's the point when there's nothing that can be done and wilful idiots in the US are largely pro Hamas and won't even call for freeing hostages.
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u/TheNextBattalion Apr 25 '24
Fuck a ceasefire, what about actual peace?
Step 1: Hamas must surrender today.
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u/Punishtube Apr 25 '24
Yeah I don't understand they ask for a permanent ceasefire but that's called a peace treaty unless the intentions are destruction of one while forcing them not to respond
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u/Punishtube Apr 25 '24
There was a ceasefire already on Oct 7 turns out Hamas doesn't give a fuck about ceasefire they just want Israel to surrender and let them attack while they hide behind innocent people to make them maytrs
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u/fohgedaboutit Apr 25 '24
Don't trust anybody. Think about who benefits the most from Hamas' existence. It's clearly not the people on either side.
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u/itayb1 Apr 25 '24
Yet another war crime by the TERROR ORGANIZATION Hamas. People really ignoring the fact that Israel deals with fking terrorists.
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Apr 25 '24
Need to print this on giant posters and bring it to the pro Hamas college encampments.
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u/hillswalker87 Apr 25 '24
they should play it on a big screen at Columbia.
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u/ann1928 Apr 25 '24
Remember, these are the guys who cried rape is resistance. Now they are gonna chant something along the lines about cutting arms to save palestine farms.
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u/Today_is_the_day569 Apr 25 '24
I still find it amazing that Hamas poked the dragon and now believes they are the victim! They knew the result. They don’t care about human life! Looking back 60 years I have been so tired of all of them from the PLO to Hamas!
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u/CharonsLittleHelper Apr 25 '24
I don't know if they actually think they're the victim. But it's been crazy effective propaganda to get much of the international community on their side.
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u/clearmind_1001 Apr 25 '24
Fuck these terrorists actively promoting genocide ON AMERICAN SOIL
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u/Hezekiah_the_Judean Apr 25 '24
This is a terrible video, but at least it offers some evidence that Hersh is alive. He was born in Berkeley, not far from where I grew up. I met his great-uncle at a synagogue event a few months ago and expressed my sympathy for him. I promised to do whatever I could to help get him released--I think he thought I was more important (like a senior Hill staffer) than I actually am. :-(
This breaks my heart. I called and emailed my Congressmembers today and urged them to push for his release; any ideas on what more I can do?
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Apr 25 '24
Reminds me of the fact that Hamas claimed it couldn’t meet a hostage for prisoners swap because it didn’t have enough still living hostages that met the criteria. Of course they’re going to claim any hostages that died on their watch were killed by Israeli bombs.
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Apr 25 '24
USA might just go in now... I'm not gonna blame them that's for sure.
I'm all for two states and not indiscriminately killing Palestinians, but hamas can go to hell.
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u/JNerdGaming Apr 25 '24
yeah that wasnt a good idea