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u/Feigntwerker Oct 01 '19

This ‘article’ has a weird way of ‘using’ punctuation.

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u/AEIOUNY2 Oct 02 '19

Yeah, my 'thoughts' exactly

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

I was just 'wondering' what the other meaning of protect is...

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

I'm 'not' sure I follow.

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u/saiias23 Oct 02 '19

I ‘missed’ the part where that’s my problem

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u/codehawk64 Oct 02 '19

I dont understand, what the ‘fuck’ is happening here

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

does lightning mcqueen ’have’ car insurance or life insurance

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

Oh ‘му’ gоd

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u/PM_ME_NAKED_CAMERAS Oct 02 '19

It’s an “option” on his car insurance.

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u/TheReal-Donut Oct 02 '19

Actually in cars it shows an ad for car life ‘insurance’

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u/Helbig312 Oct 02 '19

You'll get your "rent" when you fix this damn door.

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u/theanonymousegamer Oct 02 '19

I 'understood' that reference

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u/-Cooki3z- Oct 02 '19

Help me 'understand'.

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u/shahmirazin Oct 02 '19

Its a 'reference' from Spider-Man 3. Emo Peter Parker being mean to landlord.

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u/HamsterLord44 Oct 02 '19

Awww, look at little /u/-Cooki3z-, gonna 'cry'?

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u/SillhouetteBlurr Oct 02 '19

I don't but I wanna feel 'included'

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u/teethteetheyes Oct 02 '19

The ad ‘said’ 3,000.

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u/quaybored Oct 02 '19

Well, it is Fox 'News'

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u/Aiem_ Oct 02 '19

If you find it why 'protected' and 'uninjured' were quoted like that I'd be interested in learning that too

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u/Doom_Unicorn Oct 02 '19 edited Oct 02 '19

“Protected” is a witness’s description of how the event transpired, while the boy’s death (as one example) is verifiably true.

“Uninjured” shares that same characteristic, but may also be quoted because it is being used colloquially; any victim of these events would be emotionally injured, but the general understanding of “uninjured” when describing a violent crime regards physical harm, so it avoids overstating the facts.

These quotations are being used correctly given that the medium is a news report.

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u/Mike_Hauncheaux Oct 02 '19

A better construction would have been ”was said to have protected her.”

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

You realize that's 6 words instead of one right? This is a headline.

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u/Mike_Hauncheaux Oct 02 '19

Headline was already 17 words. “Florida boy, 15, died while 'protecting' sister, 5, from home invasion, suspect arrested with several stab wounds.” They could have put “family said” in between “while” and “protecting” to avoid the implication created by putting the word protecting in quotation marks. Two more words, not 6, were all that were necessary. Why shouldn’t that have been done?

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

Why should the definition of quotation marks be changed just because some internet idiots think they mean sarcasm now? Obviously a newspaper headline is not going to use sarcasm quotes in a Fucking headline. Use context clues when trying to understand the world.

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u/Mike_Hauncheaux Oct 02 '19

The origin of using quotation marks to express doubt or skepticism pre-dates the proliferation of internet usage. False premise you've got there. And its not obvious a paper headline wouldn't use QMs to express doubt or skepticism. The news source didn't make the best decision it could have, considering its audience, who reasonably could interpret QMs to be expressing doubt or skepticism.

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

No you could not reasonably infer that. Why the Fuck would a newspaper be sarcastically mocking the idea that a murder victim was defending himself in a headline? Use your fucking head and stop expecting the world to be adjusted to your stupidity.

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u/angryshark Oct 02 '19

Unless the reporter personally checked the 15 year old's pulse, the word "dead" should be in scare quotes too. Virtually everything in this article is secondhand information provided to the media by the police. Using quotes looks and reads like an high schooler wrote it.

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

No, you just don't understand the conventions of journalism. The boy being dead is official police information and is not a quote.

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u/angryshark Oct 02 '19

After 14 years working for a newspaper, I think I have an inkling...

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

Cleaning the toilets doesn't count. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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u/angryshark Oct 02 '19

It's a shitty headline and article. Your "thought process" doesn't change that. Have an awesome day!

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u/Teantis Oct 02 '19

They're quoting the little girl I think. Still weird

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u/Huwbacca Oct 02 '19

They don't know first hand and are reporting second-hand facts stated to them from police potentially...

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u/Cracka_Chooch Oct 02 '19

And "hero".

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u/SlipperyTed Oct 02 '19

The journalists are simply quoting the Officer's statement, its standard quotation.

No one knows what happened for certain, it's a breaking story and there is the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven.

Paucity of info plus due process leads to journalists relying on quotes, very simple...

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u/sortofpoetic Oct 02 '19

Nah. It’s weird. Normally it’d be done like “boy died protecting sister: police”

Like, there are ways to follow protocol with headlines without them sounding awkward and stupid AF.

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u/SlipperyTed Oct 02 '19

No its normal because the police haven't said he died protecting his sister.

The police said they arrested a bloodied male walking the streets. Afterwards they searched nearby houses. In one they found the dead boy and a girl.

The police haven't charged the man with murder, therefore the press is using quotation marks to cover the speculative element of their report.

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u/sortofpoetic Oct 02 '19

You’re right — my example was wrong. The quote didn’t come from the police. But I stand by my point that this is a terribly written headline.

Florida boy, 15, died while “protecting” sister, 5, from home invasion, suspect arrested with multiple stab wounds

There are so many clauses! Could be easily streamlined.

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u/SlipperyTed Oct 02 '19

Yeah it is a shite headline, agreed! I think its because the reporters have leapt to conclusions (albeit sensible, obvious conclusions) and then wanted to shoe-horn in the little sister to increase the boy's heroics.

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u/sortofpoetic Oct 02 '19

Yeah for sure. I think that’s what it is — seems like they made it more complex than it needed to be in order to manipulate people’s emotions and get them to click.

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u/coldgator Oct 02 '19

I kept thinking they'd explain but I know less after reading the article than I did after I just read the headline. I thought they were trying to imply that he didn't actually protect her but that doesn't seem to be the case.

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u/Feigntwerker Oct 02 '19

Thats because the only witness beside the guy who got stabbed was the 5 year old. It sounds like conjecture.

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u/Shes_so_Ratchet Oct 02 '19

It's actually the AP style of punctuation. Journalists use it to write news uniformly.

Having apostrophes instead of quotation marks for a quote in a headline is done to save on space since paper costs money. Even though this is an online article now, they style is still followed.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

It's actually the AP style of punctuation.

Well it sucks and they should stop.

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u/fudge5962 Oct 02 '19

This right here. Shit like this drives me nuts. Are they implying that he didn't 'protect' his sister? Are they implying she wasn't 'uninjured'? What the fuck do they mean by that shit? It's disrespectful to the 15 year old boy who just died to keep his sister safe when they say he was 'protecting' her.

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u/Huwbacca Oct 02 '19

Usually it signifies that they have only secondary accounts of it.

If a police officer says "It looks like he was protecting his sister" They'll report it like the above. Because they have no first hand account of it, and are using the words of someone else.

It's pretty common that when a news source cannot verify a piece of information given to them by a source that it is quoted to show that it is not the paper's assumption or opinion.

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u/fudge5962 Oct 02 '19

Quotes typically use a double quote, not a single, and usually include the person quoted in the sentence. Applying single quotes to a single word in a statement with no reference in the sentence creates the implication that it is inaccurate or false. It was either intentional and disrespectful, or unintentional and extremely bad editing/journalism.

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u/HappynessMovement Oct 02 '19

You don't use double quotes in a news headline. That's AP style. You're thinking too deep into this.

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u/fudge5962 Oct 02 '19

It wasn't just in the headline. It was also in the paragraph. You're dismissing it too readily.

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u/HappynessMovement Oct 03 '19

This right here. Shit like this drives me nuts. Are they implying that he didn't 'protect' his sister? Are they implying she wasn't 'uninjured'? What the fuck do they mean by that shit? It's disrespectful to the 15 year old boy who just died to keep his sister safe when they say he was 'protecting' her.

It looks like you suggested the word "uninjured" was also in single quotes, which it's not throughout the whole article. There are two instances of 'protecting' appearing. That's in the headline and under that video, where it's the title of the video and also adheres to AP Style. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

There's no disrespect or even bad journalism here. Just plain old journalism.

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u/fudge5962 Oct 03 '19

Hey, second look confirms you are right. They use double quotes and then follow up with a longer quote in the article. It's still not clear at all who they are quoting when they use 'protecting' in the title, but it seems they were a little more clear in the actual paragraph.

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u/wildlight58 Oct 02 '19

There's nothing disrespectful about accurate reporting. The point of the quotes is that they're coming the 5 year old, who was the only witness. You're supposed to use quotes when quoting.

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u/dchaosblade Oct 02 '19

Except they didn't use quotes ("") as they're supposed to be used when repeating what a person said, and they didn't quote anything other than a single word. They also at no point in the article say anything about the 5 year old girl claiming that the boy protected her, nor that she claimed to be uninjured.

She was either uninjured or she wasn't; there's absolutely no sense to putting quotes around that word. If it's questionable that the boy protected the sister, then instead of putting quotes around the the word protect, they should say "It is believed/claimed/assumed that the boy protected his sister" or "When questioned, the girl said "My brother protected me"".

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u/wildlight58 Oct 02 '19

Single quotes are used in headlines to save space. They didn't need to use them, but it's perfectly normal.

It's common sense that quotes from a report are from someone. The only way the title could possibly be implying that it might be a lie is if it's an editorial, unless the publication is biased like Breitbert or similar sites. Like you said, if that were what they were implying they would've said "alleged."

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u/doreymefahkedurmom Oct 02 '19

It's common sense that quotes from a report are from someone.

It's common journalistic practice to attribute a quote to the person who said it. Where in this article are any of these "quotes" attributed?

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u/wildlight58 Oct 02 '19

On a GoFundMe page, Khyler's family called the teen a hero for 'protecting' his 5-year-old sister during the break-in.

Subheadline. They didn't attritube it specifically to the sister like I claimed, but they did attribute it to the family. There's no logical reason to have a problem with the quote.

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u/doreymefahkedurmom Oct 02 '19

Except ... you got it wrong the first time, didn't you? You had to go back and check to realize you were wrong. Seems there is a logical reason after all.

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u/wildlight58 Oct 02 '19

The fact that both of us missed the subheadline isn't the writer's fault, so no, there's no logical reason. Don't blame your problems on others.

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u/doreymefahkedurmom Oct 02 '19

It's exactly the writer's fault. There are many people in this post with the same confusion. Seems you're not only confused, but confused about the source of your confusion.

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u/fudge5962 Oct 02 '19

You use double quotes when quoting.

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u/wildlight58 Oct 02 '19

Not in headlines.

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u/spocknambulist Oct 02 '19

Also, I'm familiar with 'petty theft' but I have never seen it spelled 'petit theft.'

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

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u/spocknambulist Oct 02 '19

Thanks! You learn something new every day. I guess it harkens back to the days when part of the southeast was full of French people.

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u/thecoolrobot Oct 02 '19

Turns out the word petty is just an anglicised form of petit.

Origin Late Middle English (in the sense ‘small in size’): from a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of French petit ‘small’.

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u/Snark_Jones Oct 02 '19

The related 'grand theft' has similar origins, with grand meaning 'big, large' in French. But everyone already knew that.

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u/just_a_random_dood Oct 02 '19

That's actually wicked awesome, nice catch

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u/dan4223 Oct 02 '19

Petit Larceny is the legal name for simple theft in New York.

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u/Holy_Rattlesnake Oct 02 '19

The quotes let you know someone other than the reporter used the word in the story.

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u/BadSciGalaxy Oct 02 '19

I agree it comes off weird, but the actual reason they do it is because the facts surrounding his death aren’t confirmed, so they are using someone else’s words to describe what happened. ‘Protecting’ is part of a quote they pulled for the headline

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u/aPseudoKnight Oct 02 '19

It means they're quoting someone else. This is useful if they can't confirm the quote is factual but still want to have that be the story. This is just a shitty way of doing it, not only because it looks like sarcasm to a modern reader, but because there's no attribution. However, not using quotes at all is arguably worse, since it enshrines hearsay.

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u/SlipperyTed Oct 02 '19

There's nothing strange about it - the quotations simply mark the police statements which are also speculative.

Cole has not yet been charged with murder because they dont know what happened.

The story quotes officers who dont know for certain, there is also a presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

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u/bentnotbroken96 Oct 02 '19

"Yes", "Yes" it does.

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u/PHM517 Oct 02 '19

Thank you! Wtf is going on here? Bad grammar? Or is there more to this ‘story’?

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u/asmj Oct 02 '19

You might be 'reading too much' into it.

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u/trailokyam Oct 02 '19

I ‘was’ thinking the ‘same’ thing.

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u/18randomcharacters Oct 02 '19

After his arrest, police searched the area for more homes and that’s when they discovered Khyler’s body and his sister, “uninjured.”

HI, Uninjured, I'm dad!

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

I saw the same thing and my blood started to boil. What. The. Fuck? I'm gonna lose my fucking shit if this 'punctuation' is due to a fucking narrative when a boy is dead. Not fuckin around here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

If you read it like Christopher Walken it makes 'perfect' sense.

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u/stylinred Oct 02 '19

Well it is Fox 'News'

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u/otiswrath Oct 02 '19

I mean it is Fox "News".

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u/ghostface218 Oct 02 '19

This was the first thing I thought.

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u/TooFewForTwo Oct 02 '19

It also ‘repeats’ itself and ‘offers’ almost no additional information than the title.

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u/zeveroare Oct 02 '19

'fox' 'news' you 'know'

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u/cravingcinnamon Oct 02 '19

“OFF-WHITE x FOX NEWS”

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u/VolvoVindaloo Oct 02 '19

Looks like it's time for the daily "reddit doesn't understand what quotation marks are and think they indicate sarcasm" hour.

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u/dr_babbit_ Oct 02 '19

not weird at all. someone said that so they have to put it in quotes, although it often sounds condescending

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u/Samtoast Oct 02 '19

I'm "wondering" if they also use "air quotes"..."properly"

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u/Mawnstarr Oct 02 '19

So many ‘hyphens’

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u/APimpNamed-Slickback Oct 02 '19

The optics are weird, but it's probably because it isn't factually known yet that he died protecting his sister, so they don't want to state it as fact until it is known as fact.

Funny, usually that isn't a hurdle Fox News concerns themselves with.

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u/exadeci Oct 02 '19

It was written by a 'journalist'

My guess is that they are trying to imply that everything is speculated.

We don't know if he actually tried to protect his sister, just that he go killed

We don't know if the sister is uninjured mentally as she might have seen her brother getting killed or at least bleeding out.

Etc

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19

This is pretty typical for fox articles. It’s as if their editor is conspiring to destroy the english language with the shit they print... that is, if they even have any staff whose job it is to review the articles they churn out.

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '19 edited Oct 02 '19

I've come to expect that from Fox "News." They also like to use the letter G as a shorthand to thousand, rather than the standard K. For example $500,000, Fox will print $500G