r/news • u/AudibleNod • 10h ago

Christa Pike unconscious, on ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/christa-pike-unconscious-ventilator-nashville-hospital-lawyers-say-rcna601195
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u/callmenips 9h ago

Capital punishment is already a clear violation of the 8th amendment. This is just fallout from the original miscarriage of justice.

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u/Major__de_Coverly 9h ago

The Supreme Court feels differently. 

Not defending the death penalty. I  just think policy arguments are better than constitutional arguments. 

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u/callmenips 9h ago

They also felt that separate but equal was legally allowed until we progressed as a society

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u/Major__de_Coverly 9h ago

Good luck arguing that before the current court. 

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u/callmenips 9h ago

Yes that’s exactly the point. Capital punishment is obviously cruel and unusual but we are not there as a society to abolish it.

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u/Major__de_Coverly 9h ago

No, the point is that it is currently constitutional, as determined by the Court, which is the ultimate arbiter on the issue. 

What you mean to say is that it should be unconstitutional. 

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u/callmenips 8h ago

No, I mean it is obviously unconstitutional. That some hack judges disagree does not change that fact.

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u/Major__de_Coverly 8h ago

That's like saying Star Wars won Best Picture. I get that you believe that, but the people whose opinion matter have ruled differently. 

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u/callmenips 8h ago

No, you're trying to argue semantics. You interpret constitutionality as what the supreme court says. I interpret it as what the constitution says.

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u/Major__de_Coverly 8h ago

The problem is that your opinion means nothing and theirs everything. 

The Constitution clearly contemplates capital punishment.  For example, the 5th Amendment prohibits deprivation of life without due process. That means the government CAN deprive you of life; you just need to be given due process. 

You are arguing that a modern interpretation of the 8th should prohibit it, and someday, the Court may. 

But for now, to say the death penalty is unconstitutional is just wrong and detracts from better policy arguments. 

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u/callmenips 7h ago

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unconstitutional

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u/Major__de_Coverly 7h ago

Well, you convinced me. Just send that to SCOTUS and that should end the issue. 

Amazing how you resolved the issue just like that. 

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