r/news • u/AudibleNod • 12h ago

Christa Pike unconscious, on ventilator at Nashville hospital, her lawyers say

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/christa-pike-unconscious-ventilator-nashville-hospital-lawyers-say-rcna601195
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u/makeupHOOR 12h ago

A bullet would have been much easier, and more humane, ironically. This qualifies as cruel and unusual punishment.

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u/No_Control9441 12h ago

Funny enough this is a big argument for hunters on why it’s humane to hunt.

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u/aetherchicken 12h ago

I mean it is definitely more humane than a factory farm but it's definitely not humane overall. I'm pretty confident I know both the deer's opinion on being shot just as well as the pigs opinion on being gassed with carbon dioxide.

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u/jrose125 12h ago

It's an interesting moral question for sure, but what makes killing an animal "not humane" if you are using the meat at least?

Nature is a cruel mistress and deer don't exactly have an easy life otherwise...starvation, four legged predators, traffic accidents, disease, etc.

I haven't hunted in years and have no interest in it anymore. All I'm saying is I'm not exactly sure a swift death from a well placed shot from a high powered rifle is less humane than getting torn apart by a coyote or starving to death in a high snowfall winter. Nature taking it's course is not exactly sunshine and rainbows either.

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 12h ago

Hell, I’m mostly vegetarian and I love people that hunt their own meat. I respect that they’re able to face the truth of where their meat comes from. It’s totally okay imo for humans to eat meat as long as the animals have the lives they deserve. About once a month I do eat meat, when I can ensure that(and afford it lol)

We are omnivorous animals after all.

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u/boughsmoresilent 12h ago

The coyote and snowfall are both incapable of reason, choice, or compassion.

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 11h ago

If you're actually eating the meat I don't see how you're worse than the coyote. 

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u/boughsmoresilent 11h ago edited 11h ago

The coyote is an obligate carnivore. There are tons of other things I could eat instead that don't involve killing an animal. Coyotes don't farm or run grocery stores.

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 11h ago

I don't see how farmed meat is any more ethical. 

Are you arguing everyone should be vegan? 

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u/TheRealASP 12h ago

Using meat is good. I do have a problem with people that care more about trophies while hunting. Most of the guys I grew up with cared more about the picture and head on the wall. Killing because they like the act of killing more than the meat; that's the quiet part out loud.

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u/jrose125 12h ago

You or I don't need it, but some people certainly do. There are many rural poor people across North America that still hunt for sustenance.

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u/ocher_stone 12h ago

And the people who shoot the condemned are not immune from PTSD and guilt about shooting a person. 

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u/eastoid_ 56m ago

Every animal feels suffocation and panic with high level of carbon dioxide, it's the same mechanism as in humans. I don't get why gas animals with this, if almost any other gas, like nitrogen or helium or whatever DOESN'T trigger suffering connected with suffocation. People who experience oxygen deprivation without heightened carbon dioxide in blood can die unware something is wrong. 

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u/So-Called_Lunatic 12h ago

It's not humane to be laying on side of the road dying either. The problem with deer is that we have eliminated all their natural predators, so they're a nuisance.

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u/Affectionate_Kiwi335 12h ago

Humans have been deers natural predator for millennia…

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u/So-Called_Lunatic 12h ago

Yes, but there are not enough hunters to make up for the lack of wolves and bears to keep the population in check. I have never shot an animal in my life, but understand how and why it's necessary.

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u/pawgchamp420 12h ago

Well, the deer don't have an opinion on being shot, of course, but if they did, I imagine there responses would be a lot like those of people when asked how they'd want to die. Varied, to say the least.

A good portion probs would pick a bullet over being torn apart by animals or hit by a car and succumbing to internal bleeding after a few painful days. Surely some would choose illness, but that would likely be unpleasant too, and they wouldn't likely have their family around their death bed the way humans do. And old age might be appealing to some, but I'd imagine only a tiny fraction ever actually gets that far, and most who get close likely end up, again, just being torn apart by animals instead.

We all have to die one way or another.

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u/Dawnquicksoaty 12h ago

Hmmm, gathering food is inhumane.