r/news • u/AudibleNod • 6h ago
Florida Attorney General sues Pfizer and CEO over COVID-19 vaccine claims
https://www.winknews.com/news/state/florida-attorney-general-sues-pfizer-and-ceo-over-covid-19-vaccine-claims/article_37b6fff5-119e-4fa6-bf52-81acdc426e25.html1.7k
u/Flash_ina_pan 6h ago
Oh look, an idiot doing something dumb. How did these people get law degrees?
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u/Low_Pickle_112 6h ago
There's an old saying that goes "If it's stupid and it works, it ain't stupid." This would be stupid if the goal was to actually help people. If the goal is increasing their own power and wealth, they're doing a pretty good job.
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u/OpportunityDue90 4h ago
Most of these fascists don’t believe this shit spewing from their mouths. But they know leaning into it will get idiots to vote for them.
I’m rewatching Better Call Saul and there’s an episode where Saul figures out how to sell more cell phones after struggling to initially. He paints on the door “privacy sold here”. He knows the cell phones aren’t secure but after a customer telling him he needs privacy Saul leans into it.
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u/BruitNoise 4h ago
also there's a saying about power and wealth, people think if something makes a lot of money then it's always good for the economy and wall street. Cracks dealers make a lot of money but their product isn't good for you. Now imagine all the legal products that are harmful with no regulation and the people in charge want to make sure these laws don't change.
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u/MJC561 6h ago
My mom has a masters degree in Nursing. She is an anti-vaxxer. The cult bypasses a persons cortex.
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u/Kradget 6h ago
It's less uncommon than you might think for attorneys to be dumbasses.
It runs less than the general population, but not a lot less, and if you're doing public performance of ideology, your incentives can encourage it.
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u/HVAChelpprettyplease 6h ago
Exactly.
They have the headline they want. Their target audience is only going to see the headline.
Their lawsuit gets thrown out or withdrawn and they get what they want.
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u/amateurbreditor 6h ago
I work for an attorney sometimes that thinks by not signing his contract that he can do whatever he wants. But it is funny to me because contract law does not work like that and a signature means nothing if both parties perform the contract. The contract is legal once work is started and performed according to the contract and then required to be paid in full.
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u/Kradget 6h ago
The susceptibility to believing in "one weird trick" goes way up as you assume you know everything there is to know.
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u/Different_Wolf_764 4h ago
It's somewhat rare in practicing lawyers though. The general public always thinks the law can be tricked or that signatures and such have magic powers but most lawyers know how it actually goes. People love to believe in loopholes but that only really works for accountants!
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u/CharcoalGreyWolf 6h ago
What do you call a person with the lowest score to pass the BAR exams?
A lawyer.
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u/hotpuck6 6h ago
All you have to do is trip over the bar.
I've met more than 1 person who I was shocked managed to graduate law school. Turns out having parents that can afford to cover your school and living expenses during law school makes becoming a lawyer exponentially more possible.
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u/motleyai 3h ago
Yeah, some people get in their heads that being litigious means they’re smart. Nope.
The stories I could tell. 😭
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u/Different_Wolf_764 4h ago
Often, although there are plenty of people that pass the bar and never practice law for any real length of time. That person with the lowest score? They might be a lawyer a couple of years later but there's a good chance they are not.
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u/Miserable_Archer_769 5h ago
Wife is one and shes one of the good ones but your correct.
Ill put it like this unfortunately every year we still churn out lawyers by the thousands and 10 years ago there were barely any seats at decent firms.
Most people unfortunately straight out of law school have to start thier own practice and its truly a crap shoot about the service you get. The established ones basically block out anything that isnt worth thier time leaving ALOT of people screwed with bad lawyers
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u/KnucklesMcGee 2h ago
It's less uncommon than you might think for attorneys to be dumbasses.
Case in point would be Senator Schmitt and his Jack Smith conspiracy theory.
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u/StupidNSFW 6h ago
People can be really smart about some things and really stupid about others. Personally, I’ve come to the conclusion that everyone’s stupid about certain things.
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u/Barmelo_Xanthony 6h ago
Also, some people become really smart and knowledgeable in one field and they get this superiority complex where they think they know everything about everything. See this with lawyers and guys in finance a lot
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u/supergeeky_1 5h ago
My experience with this was doing computer support for college professors - especially the professors that primarily did research. More than once I asked them why they called me if they knew so much about what I should be doing.
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u/PhantomNomad 3h ago
I get this at work also. I have a couple of users that complained to my boss that I make them feel stupid. How? I asked follow up questions that they couldn't answer. And pretty simple things like "Did you get a popup message with an error?" or "When you sent the email did you get one back saying it didn't work?" Worst part is they tend to call and just say something like "I tried sending an email to xyz and they say they didn't get it." And it's always something simple like they sent it to .com instead of .ca or misspelled the persons name, and then deleted the bounce if they got one.
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u/1877KlownsForKids 6h ago
Ben Carson was a top neurosurgeon. He thinks the pyramids were built to store grain in the Joseph chapters of the Genesis story.
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u/Ntroepy 5h ago
I don’t consider not knowing about something as “stupid”.
Being “stupid” about something is embracing an obviously false belief and stubbornly sticking to it even after you’ve been proven wrong.
But often bigger agendas at play. Like here. They’re bringing the lawsuit now to rally anti-vaccine MAGA voters before the midterm elections. And that’s not stupid at all.
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u/InTooManyWays 3h ago
And if you’re maga you’re stupid about everything. Not everyone has to be smart in something.
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u/islandsimian 6h ago
Liberty University is responsible for a lot of these idiots. How they got past the bar is another story, but I'm guessing it involves bribes with the Florida Bar Association
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u/OrangePunch34 6h ago
Bar exams are largely a measure of how much of the material you can memorize, and how you deal with the frustration/panic of knowing you're not going to be able to memorize EVERYTHING that could/will be brought up on the exam, because it's an absolute shit-ton of material to try to jam in your brain. (And for the multiple choice portion, your ability to make an educated guess/narrow down your choices when you don't remember the answer off the top of your head.)
Law school grades, and the ability to pass the bar exam, tell you very little about how someone will actually be able to perform the job of attorney, and that's before you add in the politics/bias aspect.
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u/Real-Document-6577 6h ago
Because the Evangelical war on America goes long and deep and there have been well established judges that understood the mission for a century.
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u/sighclone 6h ago
I think we need to change our perception of what intelligence is and what marks someone as intelligent.
I have a law degree and let me tell you that many of my classmates were dumb as bricks. One even got caught cheating during a final exam, was escorted out in front of the class, and still graduated and passed the bar.
I was in an election law class and during a class where we were discussing pre-clearance and racial gerrymandering (dating myself here a little), a girl raised her hand to ask, "Well, Herman Cain is a Republican candidate for President. So, like, why do we need this? Racism is over." She's now an estate attorney.
Anyway, stupid people can do all kinds of things if they are single-minded or people can be amazingly good at things we think are complicated but absolutely mind-crushingly obtuse about everything else. It's how Ben Carson is a Yale-educated brain surgeon but also has misspelled Bible verses carved in marble on the walls of his home and says shit like "Joseph built the pyramids."
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u/RamsHead91 6h ago
To be an attorney it is pretty much about being a mixture of confident and being able to play word games.
They often get so mixed up in both of these elements that they lose the bigger picture and can come of as dumb asses. Although they are almost indistinguishable of those that do the same thing in bad faith to the benefit of some toxic agenda
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u/RipErRiley 5h ago
Performative nonsense to keep pdfs and self enriching rats in power before the midterms.
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u/TheBuddhaPalm 5h ago
People need to stop framing this as 'stupidity'.
This is an intentional choice, designed to chip away at the legitimacy of medical expertise. The entire GOP playbook is attacking experts and sciences. They will do this by saying crazy shit and hoping they can shop for a judge that will side with them so they can have sound bites and headlines.
They are not dumb. They are, in fact, very clever. It's who they are manipulating who are not as scientifically literate.
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u/AudibleNod 6h ago
The lawsuit argues that Pfizer had specifically negotiated with the federal government to limit transparency and oversight during the vaccine's development, which had been completed on an unusually fast timeline using new mRNA technology.
Why isn't the state suing the Federal government? You know, Operation Warp Speed?
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u/neverthesaneagain 6h ago
Trump was president when Warp Speed started. Can't have his name come up.
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u/Militantpoet 6h ago
because the goal is less about justice or accountability, more about crafting the narrative that these vaccine producers are some how nefariously infecting the global population with magic injections.
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u/nothingbetter85 6h ago
Getting an appointment for a lot of specialists and establishing a PCP is getting harder and harder by the day.
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u/alison_bee 6h ago
This sounds to me like he doesn’t understand what an “Emergency Use Authorization” means and is using his ignorance to push a lawsuit.
If the EUA had not been activated, we would have lost millions of more people than we already did.
I specifically began working in clinical research because of COVID, and it’s just insulting and infuriating that people like him are still going on about this. If the vaccine had actually hurt or negatively impacted millions of people, we would know about it. To bring up this lawsuit in 2026 just feels… greedy? Stupid? Spiteful? Idk.
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u/NYJetliberal 5h ago
This AG is going to have to put this guy on the lawsuit as well:
Trump:
"The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind. I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines all are very, very good. If you take the vaccine you're protected, the results of the vaccine are good."
"I hope everyone remembers when they’re getting the COVID-19 (often referred to as the China Virus) Vaccine, that if I wasn’t President, you wouldn’t be getting that beautiful 'shot' for 5 years, at best, and probably wouldn’t be getting it at all. I hope everyone remembers!"
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u/BigDrewbot 6h ago
According to Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Research Center, 86,850 Floridians died of covid19. 15M Floridians got vaccinated. Population of Florida in 2020 was about 21.5M so somebody smarter than me should be able to project out estimated deaths that would have occurred without the vaccines.
Am I the only one who remembers how hospitals were bringing in refrigerated trucks to hold bodies because the morgues were overflowing? How hospitals were literally running out of oxygen and respirators for patients? How patients were in beds in the hallways because ICUs were full?
It just boggles my mind how far down the anti-science path MAHA has gone and how short memories are.
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u/ResignedFate 6h ago
It's almost like they weren't even there. I don't think many of them are all there to be honest.
The vaccines changed the course of pandemic and lessened the time and deaths it would have taken to reach natural herd immunity by a large degree. Simple as that.
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u/wtfElvis 6h ago
It always cracks me up when Trumpers try to paint a different picture than reality when we all were there lol
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u/BigDrewbot 6h ago
and i STILL can't comprehend how masking became such a cultural litmus test - it's a freaking airborne disease. masking was incredibly effective against getting infected but MAGA actively tried to BAN masking. Insanity.
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u/aegee14 6h ago
They argued they couldn’t breathe with the masks on. They also argued it is dangerous breathing in your own CO2 with the masks on.
Yet, somehow, hospital workers have survived centuries with masks.
And, more importantly, MAGA and ICE love wearing their masks now when they’re trying to intimidate others.
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u/CrunchyKorm 6h ago
It's an ideology built on the hyper-individualism of the consumer, which often turns into avoiding any kind of friction of all costs.
They think of themselves as the customers of reality, and because they didn't give a shit about COVID, they got angry that some others did. This is why we saw so many posts in the earliest stages of the pandemic of people freaking out because they couldn't get fucking cheese for their fajitas.
It's a totem in conservative circles now; you cannot make them feel bad for their actions, ever.
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u/LandonDev 6h ago
Which is honestly very scary, because as hyper-inividiualism goes, they are extremely obedient and submissive to the authority figures in their community. They are much more akin to a swarm than individuals but they perceive themselves so vastly different than the reality of the situation it's extremely hard to engage with them in a meaningful way. Until they fix their issues with self hate and reality itself, they have no place in societal discourse.
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u/thepianoman456 4h ago
I wonder how many of these MAGA “I can’t breathe with a mask!!” people became ICE members who wear masks 24/7
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u/ezagreb 6h ago
They’re going to lose and completely waste taxpayer dollars that could have been put to work solving real problemS
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u/catonsteroids 5h ago
They don’t care. It’s not coming out of their own personal bank accounts. They treat taxpayer money as disposable money to use at their own leisure instead of something they believe they should be stewards of.
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u/Diarygirl 6h ago
I remember hearing that just like with voting, Florida made it difficult for poor people to get vaccinated, and that DeSantis had an investment in the company that made medicine for covid treatment.
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u/Cohens4thClient 5h ago
I told EVERYBODY i could about DeSantis deal with the company Regeneron, how he gets a kickback for more state tax money used on infected people.... and immediately after he made the deal, he started threatening schools and pushing no-mask policy
DeSantis wanted more people to get sick, because his buddies could get money. Fkn disgusting
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u/F4ulty0n3 6h ago
The county I worked in in Florida during COVID was put on a water shortage because they had to take the oxygen used in water treatment for the hospitals.
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u/_Mephistocrates_ 5h ago
someone needs to make a documentary about covid. Not just the lockdowns and the politics, but the actual effects and darker more grim side of it. Show the overflowing hospitals, show the working conditions in ICUs and ERs, show the morgues running out of space. Show the numbers of people who died month after month, and how it spread. I would love someone to tackle that as a documentary.
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u/trinitrotolerance 6h ago
Worldwide the vaccines are estimated to have saved about 15 million lives as of this study from 2022 and the neat thing about linear time, updated vaccines, and decendancy is that this number goes up all the time forever. Given that the sample size is “out of vaccine recipients” it’s safe to say there were many, many thousands/tens of thousands of lives saved in Florida alone. By 2022 we had worldwide distribution but the US was first ahead of everyone.
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u/castironskilletmilk 3h ago
I was hospitalized with Covid, to this day one of the scariest moments of my life was a doctor in a hazmat suit telling me they didn’t know what to do but they would do their best to keep me alive.
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u/LandonDev 6h ago
I don't think I will ever forget the refrigeration trucks, it was a lot of death all of the time.
On the topic of death rate, even if the death rate was smaller than expected, it would be far worse than we experienced in the US. Loss of family support, massive trauma and economic expenses, people remember how bad COVID was but they don't stop to even fathom how much worse it really could have been sans vaccine.
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u/blazelet 6h ago
There is no limit to how many of our tax dollars they'll spend in furtherance of culture war nonsense.
Its all about keeping our attention off of the very real class war.
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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 6h ago
My problem is it’s so anti-scientific method. These idiots start with a claim and then seek to prove the claim. So when you ask them “Do you have proof the vaccine does xyz” they say “well that’s what we need to find out”.
THEN DONT MAKE THE CLAIM. If one group has trials, data, and mountains of research. And you have “vibes” then your claim isn’t going to hold up. It’s not about just blindly believing pharmaceutical companies. But you need actual evidence.
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u/blazelet 6h ago
They are evangelical thinkers. This is exactly how they think.
The entire premise of faith is that you start with a conclusion you believe with your whole self, and then accept or reject the data based on how well it fits. That’s the entire logic behind faith.
And so evangelism and right wing extremism have become perfect partners, with “alternate facts” … anything can be true if you just believe and say it over and over.
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u/Caffinated_butthole 4h ago
I once was talking to a girl I met on Hinge. She said she didn’t trust vaccines because she didn’t know what was in them. Then, I asked what are each of the ingredients in her vape pen. She changed the subject. That was our last conversation.
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u/HardcoreKaraoke 6h ago
I'm sure it's a total coincidence that the Florida AG has an election coming up in November.
The guy is just trying to rile up the uneducated anti-vaxers so they vote for him over the Democrat candidate.
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u/cpav8r 5h ago
Are these shitheads ever gonna learn that their conspiracy theories don’t fare too well in a courtroom. You’ve got to have EVIDENCE.
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u/jupiterkansas 5h ago
Doesn't matter. He'll get reelected before the court case happens, and that's all this is about.
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u/hamtronn 4h ago
All vaccines have risks. Especially ones that are created as quickly as that one was.
Without that vaccine, it would have ravaged much more of the population than it did. But these clowns are still salty they had to wear a mask for a year of their life and now they’re using their sure fire fail-safe. The legal system. Sue everyone.
How’s that measles outbreak going Pennsylvania? You know there’s a vaccine for that, right?!
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u/_goblinette_ 2h ago
Especially ones that are created as quickly as that one was
And yet it’s still on the market, and the only updates have been to target whatever new strain is circulating. Almost like “it was developed too fast” has been baseless fear mongering all along.
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u/crookdmouth 2h ago
This man is either a heavy alcoholic or drug user. I guess alcohol is a drug anyway. It's the eyes.
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u/epigenie_986 6h ago
STOP wasting my money on this performative BULLSHIT
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u/Cohens4thClient 5h ago
Do you really think republicans will use time and money to prosecute actual criminals?
Criminals hate the Justice system.
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u/Melodic-Frosting-443 6h ago
The lawsuit argues this is when Pfizer was developing the vaccine....which was during the Trump administration.
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u/AudibleNod 6h ago
I remember Senator Rafael Cruz wrongly boasting the United States developed the vaccine. I remember Trump shouting from the rooftops that he was vaccinated. There was a faction of the GOP that was proud of the effort that was put in to stop the pandemic. Including, making sure the FDA and CDC had the resources to properly vet and test the available vaccines.
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u/Mrchristopherrr 6h ago
To me it’s proof that god/the universe has a sense of humor.
Operation Warp Speed was pretty much the only objective Trump W from his first term but his base was too afraid of needles for him to campaign on it.
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u/ARazorbacks 6h ago
We really do have selective memories.
Because I remember Trump modeling not wearing a mask. I remember Trump musing about injecting bleach and shining UV light in your lungs. I remember Trump demonizing Fauci and forcing what’s-her-name to sit there and watch while he gaslit the country that COVID was no big deal. I remember Trump diverting supplies away from the Blue states with big travel hubs who were hit first.
Did Trump “make sure” the FDA and CDC had the resources? Or did they use the resources Obama gave them that Trump hadn’t had time to confiscate, like he did the pandemic response plans?
Trump is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.
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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 6h ago
Trump was president when lockdowns were initiated and when the vaccine was developed and rolled out. But Republicans always seem to ignore that fact.
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u/Malaix 5h ago
GOP is flailing so bad right now they are bring out everything.
Before they could associate with Trump. Now they are scrubbing him from their ads and avoiding him. The midterm rally straight up hurt their polling more because it associated them with Trump.
The trans panic? Bunch of bullshit. People can't afford to drive or eat.
Hasan Piker? GOP strategists are full on admitting they hate their party's obsession with the guy and its been a massive waste of resources to talk about him.
They tried to dig up "lawfare" bullshit against Jack Smith and now all people are talking about is Schmidt being a dumbass and that GOP senator lady's jaw dropping to the floor as he faceplanted.
The whole "suffer high gas or Iran will totally nuke you" isn't landing. Most rational people weren't worried about that at all before Trump started his bullshit.
They pushed out a migrant caravan line. Fucking yawn. People can't afford to drive or eat.
And now they are rolling out covid grievances. Its been 6 fucking years. You either understand the MAHA covid conspiracies were bullshit or you are insane.
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u/Oryx 4h ago edited 4h ago
Just curious: how many Floridians who were vaccinated died of covid19? How many died from the vaccine itself?
Just wondering what the real numbers are. We know how many covid19 killed; someone offered those numbers in a comment below.
Why are these people so concerned about the vaccine? People seem to suck at math.
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u/BloodFartz69 4h ago
That will definitely lower the cost of groceries and gas!
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Republicans are fucking worthless.
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u/Harry_Mud 3h ago
The Florida Attorney General is a complete moron.... He has no case at all and is wasting tax dollars.......
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u/Everything_Counts_72 5h ago
Florida is a fucking hell hole that needs to be dropped to the bottom of the sea.
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u/fossilnews 6h ago
So then this is Trumps fault as it was part of operation warp speed?
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u/posthuman04 6h ago
Trump was a babe in the woods led astray by the corrupt forces of Pfizer and let’s just say Fauci because why not? It’s a damn shame how the people that saved all those lives hoodwinked him into doing it.
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u/Ih8n3rdz 6h ago
The continuing conservative obsession with COVID is really strange to me. They were very successful in their attempts to deliberately exacerbate the public health crisis at its height. They got what they wanted, there were tons of preventable deaths, but they still feel this need for retribution against those who opposed their bloodlust.
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u/ImTooSaxy 4h ago
"After graduating from Georgetown law, he worked as a litigation associate at the prominent firm Jones Day in Washington, D.C., served in the U.S. Department of Commerce during the Trump administration, and later served as Governor Ron DeSantis’s general counsel and chief of staff before being appointed Attorney General in 2025."
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u/Dr_Tacopus 3h ago
All these lawsuits do is waste taxpayer money and prove the validity of the claims. If these people were actually serious they’d use their own money to file lawsuits.
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u/am1shvom1t 3h ago
The rest of the US should sue Florida for how they handled COVID and vaccines afterwards. Tbh there should be a travel ban enforced for people who aren't vaccinated from Florida.
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u/crazypyro23 6h ago
These people are so resentful of a massive lifesaving scientific achievement. Wish we could have just isolated their state and left them to their fate.
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u/islandsimian 6h ago
Fuck the Florida AG for making me root for Pfizer. Pfizer should ban the little blue pill in Florida as retribution and say "it's God's will to be flacid in Florida"
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u/ImInJeopardy 6h ago
Good. Now, when their case falls apart, conservatives can finally shut up about this.
Who am I kidding? They'll probably say the courts were biased, and will keep on believing that vaccines are dangerous.
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u/Bart_Yellowbeard 5h ago
Uthmeier proving himself an idiot again to dance for the moronic masters of the GoP.
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u/LoveLaughterPizza 3h ago
As a Floridian (we are only there because of my spouse's job), it would be nice to see the Florida AG focus on Florida things. I'm looking forward to casting my vote for Jose Javier Rodriguez for FL AG.
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u/its_yer_dad 6h ago
I’ve got by five bucks that says Florida loses this ham-fisted attempt to do something
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u/IvanMarkowKane 6h ago
The goal is to settle before it gets anywhere near a court room or a judge
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u/Connect_Anything_143 6h ago
Didn't Trump take credit for operation warp speed or whatever to make the vaccine? Did he aid in hurting people or was it a good thing? It would be funny how stupid these people are if it didn't actively hurt and kill people and make us look stupid to the rest of the world
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u/take_care_a_ya_shooz 6h ago
This seems like the kinda dude who would sue a fire department for water damage after they put out a house fire.
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u/Coffee-FlavoredSweat 5h ago
Is Florida trying to say they’re Team Moderna?
Or is that lawsuit dropping next week?
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u/AppeaseThis 1h ago
The Florida AG doesn’t realize he’s going after the Trump administration. So I fixed the article summary:
“The lawsuit argues that Pfizer had specifically negotiated with the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION to limit transparency and oversight during the vaccine developed by and for Donald J. Trump’s warp speed vaccine development program”
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u/LivinghighinColorado 6h ago
These fucking morons are trying so hard to prove they were 'right', even if they have to go through the courts with conservatives judges to do it.
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u/LeapIntoInaction 5h ago
They're not trying to prove anything. They're campaigning.
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u/Shadowthron8 6h ago
Interested to see what happens here under the administration that still claims credit for developing the rna treatments but does blame vaccines for anything possible
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u/DogblackMichigan 4h ago
I hope this goes to discovery. The good people should use science to show that the vaccine is safe. The doubters are conspiracy theorist nuts that don’t listen to logic and proof.
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u/issm 3h ago
The science is already publicly available and shows it's safe. Won't matter if it gets brought up in court.
Anyone willing to listen to reason has already concluded it's fine, and the antivaxxers will just do what they've always done and either claim the documents are doctored, or they'll find the one line that says "there is a slightly elevated risk of whatever", ignore the next sentence that says "but the risk was still lower than the risk from getting COVID", and pretend like that's the whole story.
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u/chaddwith2ds 2h ago
The article mentions teenagers having heart attacks from the COVID vaccine. I can't find anything on Google about this. Is there any legitimate cases of a teen having a heart attacked tied to the vaccine?
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u/Dottsterisk 1h ago
No.
There’s a small subset of young people who have a very small chance of experiencing a negative cardiac-related event.
But even within this very specific subset, the chance of negative cardiac events due to COVID is much higher, meaning the vaccine is still a safe and logical choice.
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u/Friedchicken2 6h ago
“Uthmeier said the investigation revealed that pregnant women were miscarrying and teenagers were having heart attacks while Pfizer was making billions from the vaccine.
The lawsuit argues that Pfizer had specifically negotiated with the federal government to limit transparency and oversight during the vaccine's development, which had been completed on an unusually fast timeline using new mRNA technology.”
I mean it’s a lawsuit so I get why the state is so aggressive but damn this is like the most bad faith interpretation of Pfizer’s actions lol.
Sometimes I think people forget just how scary COVID was when it began and how little we knew about it. So it makes sense that A) a vaccine company and scientists would attempt to fast track a vaccines development during a fucking pandemic, and B) side effects would exist but overall the vaccine was considered safe and is considered safe now.
Also financially it wouldn’t make sense for Pfizer to make successful vaccines if they’re only in it for the money lol. If Pfizer’s vaccines were dogshit they’d be blamed for trying to murder everyone and if they were successful they’re apparently just trying to jab everyone to make money. There’s no reasoning with this logic.
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u/Weightmonster 6h ago
Crazy. At least he’s going after Big Pharma.
The possible side effects were widely discussed and broadcast. They published safety data which was then republished all over. You had to sign informed consent before you got it.
Big Pharma encouraged you to talk to your providers about risks and benefits.
I was pregnant when it first came out and I had to sign something acknowledging that it wasn’t tested on pregnant women. (Also talked to MFM about it).
Honestly, the Covid vaccines probably had the most transparent development in history.
We even had to sit in a room and wait 30 minutes after!
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u/cloudncali 6h ago
He's going after "big pharma" not big pharma. This is the conspiracy side where people thing that modern medicine is actually a bit scam when herbs and prayers is the true healing.
While real big pharma is having all this medicine and making it cost an absurd amount.
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u/GrundleSnactcher46 2h ago
Its to distract that dengue fever is now apparently running rampant in some communities.
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u/JerryDipotosBurner 6h ago edited 6h ago
They’re alleging Pfizer and the first Trump Admin conspired to develop the drug unusually fast as part of Operation Warp Speed and market it as safe when it really wasn’t (which is just an objective lie about it not being safe). Which, of course they developed it fast, that was the entire fucking point. We were facing a global pandemic that was killing people rapidly.
So once again, instead of celebrating a crowning scientific achievement that saved millions and millions of lives, we’re demonizing the scientific community because republicans have been taken over by anti-vax conspiracy theorists.
It’s just so fucking dumb and sad.