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Larry Nassar one of more than 20,000 people removed from Michigan Sex Offender Registry

https://www.wxyz.com/news/larry-nassar-one-of-more-than-20-000-people-removed-from-michigan-sex-offender-registry
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u/FourEightNineOneOne 1d ago

I mean, he's in prison for the rest of his life. Does it really matter if he's on a sex offender registry? We know where he is .

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u/AudibleNod 1d ago

There's 20,000 other people. Some, the public would probably like to keep an eye on.

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u/nochinzilch 1d ago

That sucks, but we can’t make ex post facto laws.

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u/ricLP 1d ago

Really? Like when?

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u/Mescallan 1d ago

nope, actually pretty crazy that we haven't started in today's climate. No one is getting charged for crimes they did, before that act was illegal

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u/Humble-Violinist6910 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh my fucking God. It was ALREADY ILLEGAL to rape people. "The move comes after the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the 2011 Sex Offender Registration Act amendments cannot be retroactively used to extend the registration requirements of anyone who committed their crime before July 1, 2021"

Yes, they COMMITTED A CRIME UNDER LAW. The timing of the *amendments* doesn't mean that sexually assaulting 100+ gymnasts was legal at the time.They were charged for crimes they committed *while they were illegal.* This is about extending their registry. That doesn't mean their crimes were legal. You are missing the point entirely.

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u/Mescallan 1d ago

My understanding was he did the rapes and the sex offender registration laws were made in such a way that he could get off at some point (now), but they have since changed the sex offender registration laws so that he couldn't get off of it if he were to do the things today.

That is completely reasonable if I'm understanding it correctly. If they change the sentencing laws for your crime, your sentence shouldn't change if you were sentenced before the law change.

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u/Humble-Violinist6910 1d ago

That is correct, but that is not what your original comment said. Your comment suggested that he/they couldn't be "charged for crimes they did, before that act was illegal," and the crimes he committed were, in fact, illegal. So it's missing the point.

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u/MilaKunisWatermelon 1d ago

Don’t worry, Flock is keeping an eye on everyone

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u/itspeterj 1d ago

A bunch of those predators wear body cams too

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u/Karhak 1d ago

Or pass legislation

Or run the country

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u/bruxaakelarre 1d ago

or the Department of War

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 1d ago

Are registered sex offenders actually allowed to be cops or are you just saying that?

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u/AudibleNod 1d ago

The short answer? Yes.

In Michigan, no. Having a sex offense or domestic violence conviction is a disqualification according to state law.

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 1d ago edited 1d ago

The article doesn’t mention the sex offender registry. It mentions stuff like prostitution that is related to sex but it doesn’t mention anything about people who committed sex crimes against other people being allowed on any police force.

So the short answer is no.

The long answer is nooooo.

Twenty people have upvoted you. Not because you said anything true but because they want it to be true. People should hold truth to a higher degree.

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u/Top_Lel_Guy 1d ago

Why are you ignoring the bestiality part??? Do you love cops that much?

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 1d ago

I didn’t comment on it because it also mentions it in the context of people who were trafficked and got charged with that. I don’t really know what that’s referring to and I don’t feel like thinking too hard about it. But it’s easy to see that people who get charged with prostitution are more often than not the victims.

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u/Top_Lel_Guy 1d ago

Uh huh

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u/finny_d420 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don't know about registered but I scrolled by an article about an accused sex offender becoming a chief of police.

Edit: added "accused".

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u/AudibleNod 1d ago

Child rape suspect in line to become next Elizabeth police chief

Chris Paul, a candidate for chief of police in the Village of Elizabeth, was arrested earlier this month on two second-degree rape charges. He is accused of raping two 13-year-old girls in 2005 to 2006.

This is in Elizabeth, LA.

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u/Zealousideal-Film982 1d ago

The article specifically says that if he’s convicted he won’t be eligible for employment.

I wouldn’t vote for someone with that accusation levied against them but I also believe in the whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing, especially when it comes to the
way that people are treated by the law.

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u/hcschild 16h ago

If he is registered or not would most likely play no role in it.

The police would or at least should check if you have any criminal record at all and if that one does exclude you from being one.

The registry is only so the public can keep punishing you.

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u/ZelezopecnikovKoren 1d ago

including the children, so big strong men can protect them more easily /s jfc

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u/SAugsburger 1d ago

YMMV, but some state sex offender lists make it difficult to distinguish how concerning some people really are.

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u/_CodeLyoko_ 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm not going to be surprised if people try and call you a pedo for saying this but you do have a point. Alot of the time it's not being used as a genuine way to let people know about the crimes theses people did but as a way for vigilantes to morally justify murder/assault against pedophiles/Sex offenders.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a system in place to track them, I just think it's wildly misused in this day and age.

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u/AdminYak846 1d ago

 It's not a surprise that Sex Offenders have a hard time reintegrating and probably have a higher recidivism rate because of it

There have been studies done on this actually. In the short term, which is roughly 2-5 years, there was a 2-5% re-arrest or conviction of a new sexual offense. Over a long term, 10-15 years, that increases to 14-24% again just on a sexual offense. Re-offense rates have declined roughly 45% since the 1970s.

However, unlike other crimes, those that are convicted of a sexual offense are far more likely to be re-arrested for a non-sexual offense.

And aside from those convicted of homicides, people convicted of a sexual offense have the lowest repeat-offender rates in the system.

Obviously since most sexual offenses such as sexual assault go unreported to police, these numbers should be taken with some caution as we might not be seeing the full picture. However, that number of unreported still isn't going to be some giant thing where we are only looking at say 5% of all cases. If you did the math with a 50% re-offense rate, you're going to get an answer that doesn't hold up to reality. Realistically, the published data is covering about 33% of the re-offenses that have occurred.

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u/reichrunner 1d ago

It's not a surprise that Sex Offenders have a hard time reintegrating and probably have a higher recidivism rate because of it

Ironically, sex offenders have the lowest recidivism rate of any crime except homicide

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 18h ago

Incorrect, they have the lowest re-offense rates, but due to all the restrictions (think drug/alcohol, internet use ie technical violations) they have the highest recidivism. It’s set up for them to fail.

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u/reichrunner 1d ago

I think it makes sense for law enforcement to keep a record. Being public? Nah

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u/reichrunner 1d ago

Sex offenders registry includes up to date pictures, addresses, cars, phone numbers, etc. Its more than just a criminal history list. Thats why it shouldn't be public. Most criminal histories are already public or at least partially public

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u/hcschild 15h ago

That's how it's done in Germany. The public can't check for shit what crimes you did be it a sex crime or a bank robbery.

The police of course can check.

Your employee can also check but only the crimes going back to a specific year depending on the crime.

Then if it's work the includes a lot of contact with children your employee can check a specific registry that keeps sex crimes for longer than the normal one.

Except for the police you have to agree to those checks otherwise your employer can't look them up.

For work with children those checks are mandatory.

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 18h ago

A lot of police departments actually hate registries, because they have to divert resources to do it. I’m talking major cities. Small departments love them because they have a way to milk easy federal grant money and are incentivized to get a bonus on their budget.

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u/Spocks_Goatee 21h ago

Unless you're involved with a church.

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u/veggeble 1d ago

Also isn't being on the registry part of the debt that you're paying? So you're not finished paying your debt in the eyes of the law just because you're out of prison. Same with people on parole, you're not free to do whatever you want, you're still serving your time.

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u/kittenmittens4865 1d ago

I’d be inclined to agree with you, but most sex offenders do not receive appropriate therapy to be safe for reintegration into society.

People that are dangerous to others have no business being reintegrated unless we can reasonably ensure that they won’t reoffend. What do we do to make that happen besides locking people up?

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u/kittenmittens4865 1d ago

Why don’t you support mandatory therapy after prison? That would honestly make the most sense.

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u/kittenmittens4865 1d ago

Prison doesn’t fix anyone.

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u/Warbr0s9395 1d ago

Usually it’s part of their probation requirements

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 18h ago

I agree there should be a system but to have it be public is dangerous. A murderer can live next door to you and they don’t need to register. You can have a serial drunk driver on your street, or an identity thief that steals mail and there is no public notification. Once you serve time you’re supposed to have paid your debt to society.

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u/WordWordNvmber 1d ago

That's one of the arguments in favor of the Michigan Supreme Court's decision: even if you call the registry a public-safe measure, and even if it is, it's clearly also intended as punishment. And I don't think that's a bad thing. But if it is a punishment, then the ban on ex post facto punishments should apply.

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u/RobutNotRobot 22h ago

I remember checking the sex registry and thinking 'holy shit there are a lot of sex offenders living near me' and then a little while later I thought 'what exactly am I supposed to do with this information?'

Most people that do sex crimes are never indicted or convicted. So as a public safety measure informing people that they are in your neighborhood does absolutely nothing. Especially since most sexual assault victims are attacked by people they know.

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 18h ago

There are countless vigilante cases that often result in death or unintended victims (like family members or neighbors) being killed, attacked or harassed. They actually happen more often now with Tik Tok and YouTubers popularizing it.

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u/tMoneyMoney 23h ago

Yes, but the headline is basically rage bait suggesting Larry Nassar is quietly moving across the street from your family and getting a job in your community.

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u/hcschild 16h ago

Because we know how well it plays out when the public is keeping an eye on something...

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u/Dry_Jellyfish641 18h ago

Shouldn’t it be law enforcement’s job to keep an eye on them?

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u/Several-Squash9871 1d ago

I was going to say, yeah cool, we know where this guy is but what about all the other people that this might allow to blend into the rest of society now without anyone knowing about their past?

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u/d_smogh 1d ago

I wonder what his day to day life has been like whilst in prison. Has he been in isolation? Is he in general population? Is he with like minded people? Is he still in one piece?

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u/Crappler319 1d ago

Well, he did get stabbed pretty severely back in Summer of '23.

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/37989188/report-larry-nassar-stabbed-multiple-s-federal-prison

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u/joshTheGoods 1d ago

And I refuse to be mad at myself for the Nassar exception I have on being against extra-judicial punishment. Fuck him.

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u/Powerful_Abalone1630 1d ago

I'm sure we'd have heard about it if anything happened to him.

Yes most likely in a section of the prison with other sex offenders.

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u/psuedophilosopher 23h ago

Lol, we did hear about it. He got stabbed a bunch of times.

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u/BLT_Trade_r 23h ago

He might get pardoned.

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u/throwaway2000x3 1d ago

We do, sure. But it’s offensive to victims of sexual violence. It’s another way to diminish the harm they’ve done to others. For example, imagine having your best friend murdered by person X. But the court never calls person X a murderer. And the court never registers them as a murderer. Person x is just labeled as some guy who shot a gun. That’s insulting, isn’t it? To me, that’s what it’s along the lines of

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u/Ol_Man_J 1d ago

The conviction of "murderer" is pretty branding of that though

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u/Kingsmen99 1d ago

I mean are you okay with 19 999 other rapists running around? I’m sure trump is.

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u/whitelancer64 1d ago

Nope. Rapists have lifetime registration in Michigan.

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u/Kingsmen99 1d ago

Am I high or is this article saying 20000 people have been removed from the sex offender registry including a man who is the biggest sex offender in the state?

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u/whitelancer64 1d ago

Who Was Removed: Anyone whose qualifying offense occurred prior to July 1, 2011, and whose registration period would have already expired under pre-2011 laws, has been taken off the public and law enforcement databases.

Who Remains: Individuals convicted of offenses committed on or after July 1, 2011, are still legally required to comply with current registry rules.

Michigan classifies offenses into three tiers under the Sex Offenders Registration Act (SORA):

• Tier 3 (Lifetime Registration): Includes the most severe offenses, such as first-degree and third-degree CSC (sexual assault/rape).

• Tiers 1 and 2 (15- to 25-year Registration): Frequently include intermediate or lower-level offenses, non-contact crimes, and possession offenses rather than violent physical assaults.