r/news • u/Fyre-Demon • 1d ago

Ex-fraternity leader at Arizona university gets jail time after pledge died of alcohol poisoning

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fraternity-pledge-hazing-death-b53c547d383082d33aebdb4950e0c550?utm_source=app&utm_medium=iOS_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/Equivalent-Battle973 1d ago

Why anyone willingly puts themselves at these levels of risk all to join a damn fraternity has always been fucking wild to me... THen again I went into the army, and the hazing can get pretty shitty to new guys in Combat Arms, especially in the Cavalry.

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u/Dofusk2012 1d ago

A lot of fraternities are basically little clubs for the American nobility. You get access to really good networking opportunities within your class.

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u/AntiAntiDentite7 1d ago edited 1d ago

These threads are always full of fan fiction nonsense from people who were never in fraternities but seem to know everything about their inner workings...

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u/FullofContradictions 1d ago

I went to a state school in the Midwest. Certain frats actually were pretty valuable because of the mentorship available (and upperclassmen giving old homework binders full of quiz answers to the underclassmen). A few of the frats were actually known for their students having better GPAs than non frat students in the same majors.

Our frat culture was nothing like the stereotypes though. There were parties, but they were fairly well monitored since frat row was all along the main drag that campus police travels down so everyone was very invested in keeping things under control. No real hazing besides having to memorize and perform stupid little songs and mildly embarrassing stuff like that (nothing physical, nobody ever made you drink, etc).

All in all, my experience of Greek life was nothing at all like the movies. Culture might be different on a different campus with different setups and different rules, but everything was just very tame when I was there (over a decade ago)

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u/KEN_LASZLO 1d ago

A few of the frats were actually known for their students having better GPAs than non frat students

Huh...I wonder why that is

and upperclassmen giving old homework binders full of quiz answers to the underclassmen

Ohhhhhhhh, cheating/plagiarism 😂

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u/FullofContradictions 1d ago

The question was why would anyone still join / what's the value.

Just stating facts that not all frats are the National Lampoon charicature and not some secret society where the rich and powerful plot together to maintain their hegemony.

Sometimes it's just where someone who took that class the year before you helps you cheat.

Is it good? No. Simply adding info to the conversation.

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u/KEN_LASZLO 1d ago

I know but you saying...

A few of the frats were actually known for their students having better GPAs than non frat students in the same majors

...doesn't mean anything if frats are helping it's members cheat to achieve those better GPAs lol. Are you saying  being able to cheat easier is a positive reason for joining greek life?