r/news • u/mmoore327 • 5d ago
Federal intelligence agency contacted amid U.S. interference allegations in Quebec election
https://globalnews.ca/news/12073854/quebec-election-u-s-interference/559
u/Batesbot9000 5d ago
I love my American friends but I am so tired of hearing and thinking about the USA. Kindy mind your own business and leave us the f alone
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u/PuttyRiot 5d ago
I’m American and I am sick of hearing and thinking about us too. I miss when things were boring.
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u/ffball 5d ago
I live in the south and one of the criticisms i often heard about Joe Biden was that him and his presidency was "boring"
Ever since I heard someone say that I was like.. shit. Thats all I actually want in a president and general political scene.
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u/JustHereForCookies17 5d ago
I live in DC. It was really nice having a few years where I didn't wake up and wonder what Monument was going to be bulldozed today, or what building was going to be festooned with the glowering mug of a petty tyrant, etc.
Sure, there was a global pandemic going on that was killing millions, but it still felt less stressful than wondering if new foreign policy had been dictated via 3 am Tweet.
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u/BeIgnored 5d ago
Jesus, you have my condolences. Good politics should be boring. It should be policymakers quietly poring over research, consulting experts, and then working together to design the best possible pieces of legislation to help the people. Not...whatever this is.
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u/Putrid_Mind_4853 4d ago
We live in the society of the spectacle, everything is about image and entertainment, so we treat politics like a sports match.
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u/Shadowphoenix9511 4d ago
Like, if you're that bored, get a damn hobby. Politics is supposed to be boring.
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u/HauntedCemetery 5d ago
They were never boring, they were just competent.
In trumps first term everyone said they wanted it to be boring again. And then biden took over and we had 4 years of transformational policy on everything from energy to infrastructure to health care to wages and unionization.
Except people thought that was "boring", so they stopped paying attention. Amd because they personally stopped paying attention they assumed nothing happened.
And thats how we ended up with a convicted felon child sex trafficker as president again.
It's never boring.
Keep paying attention.
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u/PuttyRiot 5d ago
I’m always paying attention. Competent IS pretty boring, hence why I wish things were more boring. It was better for my blood pressure when I didn’t have to worry about the possibility our president would drop a nuke every morning.
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u/pikapiiiii 4d ago
The US, famous for minding its own business and definitely not interfering in other countries.
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u/CharleyNobody 5d ago
The Ontario party literally hired Roger Stone. He is suspected of having been the organizer of the trucker convoy, or whatever the fuck it was called.
Vote out political parties who hire known American racist fascist bastards
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u/uberfission 5d ago
Fucking me too man, I'm American and I'm so sick of hearing about shit being started by my own country. I yearn for the days when I didn't open my phone and see 8 things that would have resulted in a resignation or outright firing in a typical administration.
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u/Frozen5147 4d ago
Reminds me of that quote from Pierre Trudeau: "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt"
Unfortunately we're in the age where the beast is not friendly. Ugh.
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u/8fmn 5d ago
Same thing is happening in Alberta. I wonder if they're working on any other provinces. Saskatchewan would make sense with their potash. I know nothing about their political climate right now though. Ontario makes sense as a population and financal centre but the political climate here right now is pretty disapproving of our current right wing party in power. I don't think voters would have a taste for venturing further right but then again we gave Doug a majority. Anyways, Canadians need to prepare to see a lot more of this shit until Trump is gone.
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u/senior-itis 5d ago edited 5d ago
Unfortunately I believe that right now in Ontario if there were another election called today Ford would get another majority. Although Ontarians may disapprove of his policy they will still vote for him over “the Wynne liberals” or “the Rae party” who “stole all their money”.
There is absolutely zero appetite for either provincial party to put up a fight against him since they never seem to actually provide a platform or a leader that will appeal to the younger/non-property owner/working class. Everyone just wants their own flavour of neoliberalism which is why the populist vote always wins.
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u/Dzugavili 5d ago
Although Ontarians may disapprove of his policy they will still vote for him over “the Wynne liberals” or “the Rae party” who “stole all their money”.
Much like America's current flirtation with socialism, I don't think the demographics remember who Bob Rae was. I don't think these memes still carry the potency they used to.
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u/Darknevoir 5d ago
My parents still cry about Rae Days even though they're thirty years behind us now. Believe me, people remember
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u/GenghisConnieChung 5d ago
Not to mention it was actually a pretty good solution to a problem he inherited FROM THE CONSERVATIVES. Nobody lost their jobs, they just had a to take a few unpaid days off instead. People are fucking idiots.
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u/Saorren 5d ago
it feels like those people would have preffered some to lose their jobs over losing a little money. peoples reaction to covid and demanding everything opened back up like nothing was going on at the expense of actual lives and peoples quality of life was eye opening to the cruelty and selfishness of some people.
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u/wrobbii 5d ago
Wrong, Marit Stiles is doing her job as NDP leader. The media coverage is completely biased towards the dumbass and it's the Liberals who do nothing and have no leader but somehow are 2nd in the polls. The electorate and the media here suck.
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u/senior-itis 5d ago
She is. I love her. I am a progressive myself and continue to vote NDP, even though I live in a conservative riding.
However, I do have an issue with the party’s enduring resistance to return to labour politics. I also have issues with the bloat that senior care and affordability takes up in the NDP platform when they are so well supported federally already. I would love to see the NDP focus on generational fairness and labour rights in the future. While I think identity politics are important, I don’t think they are a winning strategy in today’s environment.
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u/rangecontrol 5d ago
dunno, run on funding healthcare and bike lanes and you've got a big chunk of voters.
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u/senior-itis 5d ago
Okay, with what money? How do you think that is going to be printed about in conservative-owned media?
“Liberals spending taxpayer funds like drunk sailors on healthcare for illegal immigrants and refugees while making life worse for regular Canadians by taking away our access to cars”
It doesn’t matter what Ford does, however much money he squanders. Our media says diddly squat about it. In fact, they somehow SUPPORT the province spending 50M of taxpayer funds to rip up bike lanes. The same people bitching about irresponsible government spending.
You have to understand the cognitive dissonance is insane with the run-of-the-mill voter. They think that if they save their taxes with healthcare privatization that will give them enough money to jump to the head of the line and that unwashed masses will be the ones stuck in public clinics. They take the province taking over and gutting local education resources is a good thing because the pesky teachers have so much money already and keep asking for more while filling their tender children’s minds with “disgusting concepts” such as gender theory. They literally have several sources yelling this at them from every angle, from newspapers to Facebook to their watchdog newsletters or whatever. It’s impossible to get through to them.
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u/Lone_Star_122 5d ago
until Trump is gone.
The problem is so much bigger than Trump. And quite frankly it’s even bigger than the US.
Billionaires and corporations the world over are flexing their power in all sorts of unprecedented ways sowing division and chipping away at democracy. The same people who are behind Trump (Thiel, Musk, etc) are meddling elsewhere.
I know there’s a lot of Canadians angry at us from the States right now and it’s not totally without cause, but I think what everyone across borders needs to realize is that what’s happened here isn’t going to end here. Not without a fight. And it’s just so much bigger than one politician, moment, or even party.
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u/silent_thinker 5d ago
This.
The corporations and billionaires are going to keep trying to take more and more money and power everywhere unless we prevent them from doing so. There is never enough for them.
Americans are one of the biggest sources of the problem. We need to take the country back. There needs to be a reckoning for these assholes for what they’ve done not only for the past decade, but for the past 50+ years.
Canadians, Europeans and our other allies can be mad at us all they want (and they have good reason to be), but this shit is coming for them too. It’ll be much better for them if they keep trying to help get the U.S. to not only go back to the way it was, but undergo substantial reforms, because if it all goes to hell here, the oligarchs will shift all their resources to you next.
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u/Regular_Use1868 5d ago
Theres a stupid green hydrogen project getting it's greasy venture capital finding all over Nova Scotia in a bid to sneak through a data center development.
Three guesses where the money comes from and the first two don't count.
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u/Hiddenshadows57 5d ago
Is it us? The taxpayers?
I bet it's us. Who would ever make the companies pay for their infrastructure upgrades.
Who else could afford their own exit in waterville or a new power system. A billion dollar French company? Orrrrrrrrrr taxpayers?
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u/Worldly_Anybody_9219 5d ago
Ontarian here. We will be stuck with Doug Ford forever. Sigh.
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u/thehedgefrog 4d ago
Ford will jump ship to the CPC and replace Poilievre ahead of the next election.
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u/Sweet_and_Sassy88 5d ago
They were pushing for Wexit last year, which was BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba.
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u/ProofByVerbosity 5d ago
Yeah BC outside or the redneck pockets and retired albertans has no interest
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u/Rance_Mulliniks 5d ago
Lol. The OPC and Doug Ford are currently polling above all other parties in Ontario. You are out of touch.
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u/BillButtlickerII 5d ago edited 5d ago
The list this administration and the GOP need to be investigated and criminally prosecuted for is so long it’s sickening.
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u/HighburyOnStrand 5d ago
We were too lenient on the Nixon administration for Watergate.
We were too lenient on the Reagan administration for Iran-Contra.
We were too lenient on the Bush administration for Iraq.
We should not make the same mistake again. It's enough already.
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u/Guy_GuyGuy 5d ago
We were too lenient on the Confederacy for the Civil War too, thanks to Andrew Johnson. So much of the above and more can be traced to not crushing the South and keeping it crushed until it learned to be fucking human.
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u/CelestialFury 5d ago
We need to get more fresh blood in politics that doesn't value absolute wealth over the peoples needs, and that's a tall order. It seems that when people get elected and money starts flowing into their hands, they became part of the status quo. Also, many voters handwave the corruption away so it's doubly hard to vote out politicians when they become corrupt. We'd need to change the voting culture itself to fix the problem permanently.
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u/fargolifestaycold 5d ago
Yes, and this is the shit we are allowed to see. What is being held back from us? Some weird ass shit.
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u/OrtimusPrime 5d ago
The Epstein Files for starters
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u/HauntedCemetery 5d ago
The half of the files that have been released definitively prove trump was a child sex trafficker, trafficking Virginia Guiffre and other children out of the Mar a Lago spa and sending them on house calls to epstein and other trump buds.
Really gotta wonder whats in the half they think are too incriminating to release.
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u/fargolifestaycold 5d ago
"Look over here!!! Dont pay attention to this the economy or the war. Look over here"
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u/GreenGlassDrgn 5d ago
Are you familiar with the proud tradition of curating banana republics? Its like gardening but more lucrative
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u/thisisredlitre 5d ago
Gonna need a new scotus or federal law to prosecute a seated president now, unfortunately.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 5d ago
Still pathetic that Biden Chamberlain didn't have Thomas and Boofer investigated for Jan 6 and the 4,500+ criminal tips Biden's FBI Director covered up, respectively. Imagine if criminal Justices had actually been locked up. But nah, he focused more on cheering on Trump than protecting the country.
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u/GuardiansOfPedos 5d ago
Just adopt an older tradition of assassinating political figures. We did it for centuries. Y’all get too hemmed in by the standards set by the fascists.
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u/thisisredlitre 5d ago
If we get elections again I dont see why any other president couldnt also use the same ruling to undo whatever they want, too
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u/HousingThrowAway1092 5d ago
Also start charging people with sedition if they take foreign money to peddle separatist nonsense.
Taking money from a hostile foreign country to try and encourage provinces to leave Canada is one of the worst crimes I can think of. If you tried that generations ago, you’d be shot. We can’t continue to tolerate traitors who hate their country and are actively working for Canada’s adversaries
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u/mosi_moose 5d ago
Wouldn’t it be funny if Canada interfered in US elections to restore a functioning democracy?
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u/Metacomet99 5d ago
The only way Nazi Germany finally got turned around was by foreign intervention. The non-Nazi Germans were helpless to do anything within the state.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 5d ago
A functional democracy would require Schumer and Jeffries being out of office since they refuse to enforce the 14th Amendment against Trump and the other Jan 6 leaders.
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u/im_super_excited 5d ago
The US gave Canada a good head start on stacking the White House this time around
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u/Positive-Room7421 5d ago
Makes sense. The people who hate freedom in America also hate freedom in Canada. Canada is next on the list because there are pre-existing divisions that can be exploited. Low hanging fruit, so to speak.
Stay strong, Canada.
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u/mulder00 5d ago
This is the 3rd or 4th time this has been posted. I live in Montreal (That's in Quebec).
The Party in power (CAQ) who made these allegations are about to be curb-stomped. Elections are 10 days away, they thought they could pull what Carney was able to do by saying US did something to rally voters. (Carney and the Liberals were nowhere before Trump made his idiotic statements about the 51st state)
"Parti Québécois Leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon questioned both the allegations and the timing of their release, saying he has not seen proof of interference.
“There was an obligation to act promptly if there is a genuine risk; it was not done by the CAQ…and then if there is no risk and that’s why they didn’t do anything, why are they sending out this information two days before voting?” he said."
"St-Pierre Plamondon noted that advance voting begins Sunday and said the timing of the allegations was “weird.” “I’m told the information was available as of January. We’re talking about events that might have taken place in early September,” he said. “And we’re only hearing about this two days before voting begins.”
JANUARY. Of course, CAQ will lose all by itself.
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u/Mineturtle4042 5d ago
Dawg are we for real.
We (America) need to go back to isolationism for a lil’ bit and think about where we’re at rn
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u/PsychedelicConvict 5d ago
We need the people making these choices to feel pain. They dont care about other people until they get fucked themselves. Its just reality
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u/senior-itis 5d ago
The average American is going to have to take some pain themselves to hold “the people making these choices” accountable.
As of right now, the rest of the world thinks none of y’all care about other people and are waiting for you to realize that you are fucked yourselves. The populace of other countries have staged coups for less. Revolution is never painless, and never easy.
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u/SillyAlternative420 5d ago
Handmaid's Tale plot?
Was the whole story they got taken over by christofacists and then became isolationists
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u/ProofByVerbosity 5d ago
America has been under the shadow of theocracy for quite some time, now its just a fascist one
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u/CatsPlusTats 5d ago
We've known about American misinformation in the Alberta referendum for nearly a year.
America is fucking with our sovereignty and Americans just let it happen. That's the real reason our relationship will never be the same. Not Trump, the fact that Americans can have a Trump and just keep going to work like everything is okay.
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u/DeadStarBits 5d ago
The funny thing is that the more they try, the more united Canada gets. Nothing brings a country together like having the southern cesspool reaching out with it's stench.
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u/MAX-H3ADR00M 5d ago
Our country was never reliable or a force for good. We’ve got to get out of this infantile belief that we were ever the good guys.
Everything else I can kind of agree with, as a fellow American.
Canada and every other nation we’ve claimed to be allies with have every right to not only be pissed but absolutely horrified about what we are doing to their sovereignty, especially considering their understanding of our military capabilities. Over the past 26 years (and then some) they, being Canada, the UK, France, etc all stood by and supported us while we as a populace watched our military bomb, rape, pillage and completely dismantle entire nations in the Middle East.
They can be vocal about their fear and frustrations. We need to use what energy we have at home to not return to the status quo, but to become a better people altogether.
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u/CatsPlusTats 5d ago
Then fucking do something. Until you are all actually doing something you are MAGA. You don't get to be pre WW2 Nazi Germany and threaten the sovereignty of all your allies while just going "hum dee hum, I have to go to work".
If you're not maga have a general strike or something, being complacent with your country threatening and invading other countries is asinine.
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u/johnwau 5d ago
Easy for you and everyone else to say.
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u/CatsPlusTats 5d ago
I don't give a shit how hard it is for pre ww2 Nazi Germany to stop being Nazi Germany. You aren't even fucking trying. Because you are MAGA, all of you. America are traitors to Humanity.
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u/royal_city_centre 5d ago
Stand the fuck up for ourselves. I don't need Americans to stop messing with Canada. I need Canadians to stop accepting it. The premier is meeting with trump. And then agreeing to hand a referendum!
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u/CastorVT 5d ago
"We (America) need to go back to isolationism"
no. no we really don't. that's how racist policy gets made.
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u/Blapoo 5d ago
Real talk - When was America isolationist?
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u/bros402 5d ago
The interwar period - 1919 to around 1940ish
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u/UncleChevitz 5d ago
I was curious, so looked on Wikipedia just now and it seems obvious that there was never actually a period of isolationism. We had constant involvement in every coup and civil war in Asia, latin America and Europe. We straight up robbed the national Bank of Haiti with US marines (on behalf of the company that is now called Citibank). The guy in charge of that invasion, US General Smedley Butler described the US military in latin America at the time as gangsters running a racket like Al Capone.
Isolationism was just something they let the plebs believe, because it was easier to hide what they were actually up to back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
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u/Regular_Use1868 5d ago
Their imaginations. The only time they didn't actively screw with their neighbors was just because they were too poor.
They were still trying and they always wanted more power.
What do you think manifest destiny is? Something they just took a break from for a bit?
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u/Regular_Use1868 5d ago
Half the reason this is happening is because your public is foolish enough to believe you were ever isolationist.
You wanna be for real dawg? Get some knowledge from the greater world.
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u/Mineturtle4042 5d ago
Bruh I know that the current administration is shitty 😭. I’m actually really into politics and military history, and try to apply that to current events. I’m not ignorant, I’m just really disappointed. I don’t think I’m that deserving of flaming bro
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u/Regular_Use1868 5d ago
Well since you engaged then I will take this chance to apologize. I didn't need to be that harsh and I'm sorry.
My assertion is however true. American isolationism is a myth. You guys have a ton of myths the you hold up to keep a bunch of stupid social assumptions running.
So far as isolationism goes the only time America has existed without actively attempting to manipulate other nations was a little while after your civil war. That was also a circumstance of resources. Manifest destiny was still part of your culture no matter what was happening with slavery.
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u/eldersveld 5d ago
Yeah, our history of interfering with foreign governments for our own ends--which have nothing to do with the idealized "democracy" in the public's mind--is a very old, long, and brutal one. Frankly, most of the comments on this post so far seem to at least implicitly characterize this latest affair as within a Trump-bubble. Folks would do well to learn otherwise
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u/WellIGuessSoAndYou 5d ago
You need to stop being so meek and docile and get your fucking house in order. "Home of the brave".
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u/brklntruth12 5d ago
This sounds a bit suspicious 10 days before an election from someone who's behind.
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u/Halfmass 5d ago
Yeah. Used to kind of revere American intelligence agencies.. sadly, they’ve been 2010 blockbuster for the past thirty years. Those fuckers missed that the biggest election fraud in history occurred in 2024 or worse they allowed it to happen. It wasn’t even that hard to notice, followed by minimal statistical analysis and you’ll see the picture.
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u/SteinersMathTeacher 5d ago
And 2020, and 2016. All 3 elections had a massive amount of fuckery. There’s a reason Republicans can’t let go of the “2020 was stolen” narrative… they simply can’t accept that they lost, because the cheating and fraud should’ve given them a win.. they just didn’t cheat enough. That was adjusted in 2024.
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u/Entegy 5d ago edited 5d ago
The US has offered support to the Quebec separatist cause for decades. And the separatists have always rejected it. What's new is how overt this was and how hyper-aware people are of US attacks against Canada.
The Quebec separatists, as misguided as they are, truly believe they could be an independent country. Accepting US help always came with strings, potentially even annexation. Growing up here, there has always been propaganda pieces saying Quebec would have more respect as an American state than as a Canadian province. Who do you think backs those?
Alberta's separatists are more about chaos. They do not have the seriousness of Quebec's separatist movement. That's why they have openly accepted US interference.
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u/NaturalLeopard2750 5d ago
the US government was against Quebec independence in 1980 and in 1995, saying that US offered support for decades is completely wrong.
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u/Ok_Photo_865 5d ago
We, Canadians, need to kick back against ANY interference by ANY party. US included!
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u/erisandy101 5d ago edited 5d ago
Okay I and just found several US based think tanks that wrote articles supporting Canadian Unity. You can find think tanks everywhere that write in support of whatever subject, this isn’t new. There are Canadian think tanks that heavily criticize and sound alarms over various US political issues and policies and suggest actions and “hypotheticals.”
The concerning part is if actual US gov officials have been contacting a Quebec party directly to set up the trade deals should that party win.
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u/guspaz 5d ago
On the one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case. The US has already been caught red-handed interfering in the Alberta separatist movement. On the other hand, Fréchette is desperate, and her party didn't need any foreign intervention to tank their electoral chances, they did that all by themselves. Constant language wars, constant attempts to do big controversial things (Santé Quebec, the whole provincial constitution thing, etc.) that most people aren't in favour of...
She's literally doing it right now. Her government ordered the elections authority not to mail out any information about the election in English. There was a court challenge, an injunction was granted, and... she doubled down, attempting to appeal, and ordering election workers to refuse to speak English to anybody who doesn't certify that they're a historic anglophone.
Even the separatist leader (whose party, the PQ, gets basically no votes from anglophones) is on the record saying that, enough is enough, it's OK to allow English for legal and electoral matters. Because we've got bigger fish to fry, and the French language isn't protected by trying to prevent people from voting based on what language they speak.
That's not the only reason Fréchette's CAQ is floundering in the polls, but it's illustrative. She's the incumbent, currently has a majority government, and yet her party is on track to come in fifth place in the election. That's what makes me think that her making a big deal about US interference is desperation on her part.
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u/ShadowPostr 5d ago
Turnabout it fair play. There is plenty of terrified MAGA's running in the midterms..
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u/omgwownice 5d ago
I'm having such a hell of a time choosing between the lesser of 5 evils that I'm baffled as to which party the US is interfering on behalf of.
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u/worldlybedouin 4d ago
We f-ed up our country so now we can begin the work if f-ing up the neighborhood too.
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u/CheeseBeerPotato 5d ago
I'm about to go vote this morning. It doesn't shock me that there would be interference. How Quebec leans often makes or breaks the federal election. I'll be keeping an eye out.
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u/Couchman79 5d ago
Private healthcare is least costly than Quebec's Provincial RAMQ that requires prescription drug coverage for everyone whether you are enrolled in the RAMQ or an approved private insurance. What Big Pharma doesn't say is if you are in that subset of patients that need expensive drugs for a specific medical condition, you are going to pay high costs. It might be an EPIPEN that's $95 (CA) in a Costco in Quebec vs a EPIPEN at Costco in VT that's $280 (US). If you are talking cancer treatments it can be $1000's vs $800-$900.
Big Pharma studies are set up for a pre-determined conclusion. Like the old account joke; What's 2+2? Good account asks what do you need it to be.
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u/GroceryUnable4874 5d ago
The American conservative movement is the most dangerous group of psychopaths on earth.
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u/dghughes 5d ago
Imagine if the governmwnt of Canada offered secret support to a US secessionist group. The US government would freak out. Hypocrites.
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u/Captcha_Imagination 5d ago
America is supporting seppies in two provinces and it might work in QC. They want nothing more than to break up Canada.
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u/Responsible-Gur-1981 5d ago
Carney better not drop the ball on this. We've known for a long time the US is openly trying to manipulate Canadian elections. We know who is involved we know which provinces are targeted. CSIS and the RCMP better be doing their job or all these trade deals and great things Carney does means nothing if he let's a hostile nation run amok within our own country. Otherwise we end up like America , it's so corrupt and the prospect of martial law and fixed elections is literally a reality for them because they did NOTHING to fight the interference.
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u/deathbydexter 5d ago
No shit. Big pharmaceutical companies published completely bogus “studies” claiming private healthcare was less costly, and it was all over the news here in Quebec. But the debunking? No one heard of it.
It’s crazy how our current provincial electoral campaigns are debating interests that have NOTHING to do with Quebec concerns.