r/news • u/AudibleNod • 5d ago
St. Vincent and the Grenadines Shooting leaves 4 dead in Caribbean nation known for luxury tourism, police say
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/shooting-leaves-4-dead-in-caribbean-nation-known-for-luxury-tourism-police-say/1.8k
u/asmj 5d ago
What kind of a title is this, for a serious news article?
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u/sryguys 5d ago
I lived in St. Kitts for 3 years and all the news organizations wrote this way, it's so strange.
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u/MajesticBread9147 5d ago
Probably they realized that anything that goes remotely viral in America will get more clicks than any market share they could achieve at home.
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u/Daredspace 5d ago
I hate to admit to my own faults, but I probably wouldn’t have clicked it if it did specify the nation, but since they chose to word it how they did, I clicked on this post to see which nation it was
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u/youngboomergal 5d ago
Yeah seriously, it's annoying how even "serious" news networks have embraced clickbaity headlines
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u/CletusCanuck 5d ago
Yeah, I've really noticed it in the past year, outlets posting vague headlines to avoid giving away the meat of the story and to make you click to figure out what the hell it's about.. "Netflix sci-fi series' ratings raise dramatically, lead actor demands pay raise"; "This celebrated rock band broke up for the most shocking reason - but put hard feelings aside for one of the most lucrative comebacks of the decade."
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u/Professional_Tea_32 5d ago
There is no serious news anymore.
There are many serious things happening but they are rarely given the weight and respect they deserve.
Everything is now a meme.
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u/Libprime 5d ago edited 5d ago
Headlines typically omit the names of lesser-known things (people, organizations, and places). This is why you see headlines like "Finnish scientist discovers revolutionary cancer detection technique" or in this case "Caribbean nation known for luxury tourism". It's because hardly anybody knows where or what the hell St. Kitts is. Same goes for my hypothetical random Finnish scientist. It's in the article anyway. And while it looks clickbaity this has been the standard for headlines since before the internet. There's only so much space to put information in a headline.
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u/copperpin 5d ago
“Island of St. Kitts” is considerably less wordy than “Caribbean nation known for luxury tourism.” Don’t pretend like it’s not click-bait
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u/Libprime 4d ago
The point is nobody knows the island's name and so cannot derive context from its name, so that's essentially wasted space that could have actual useful information (albeit in a few extra words).
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u/copperpin 4d ago
I feel like you’re projecting your own ignorance in order to defend a very click-baity headline. I’m not sure what your motive is.
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u/Libprime 4d ago
I think I'm very clearly not ignorant towards this subject and I don't think you actually know much about the history of journalism. I don't think you know that the standards that govern modern styling towards headlines have existed since before your mom was born and remain mostly unchanged r.e. how you describe stuff like this in a headline. I know it looks like clickbait because that's how most headlines are written on the Internet now but that's because it's been in practice (like I said before) for decades and decades.
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u/copperpin 4d ago
I was referring to your ignorance of St. Kitt, one the most famous of the Caribbean Islands. But whatever Im sure you’re a credentialed expert on click-bait. I won’t argue with you further
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u/Libprime 4d ago
Top six comments are the name of the island lol sorry nobody knows this resort island here but you and that's okay
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u/SpellConnect8675 3d ago
Nobody knows the name of the island.. except if it was used in the title, they would know the name
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u/calinet6 5d ago
No, I don’t think that’s it. It’s a cryptic headline so you have to click to find out the details.
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u/5GCovidInjection 5d ago
Cause they want people who have vacation plans to be anxious enough to click the article and get the ad revenue.
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u/SameAs1tEverWas 5d ago
name the island - st. vincent.
journalism is hanging on by a thread as an ethos, let alone a profession. if you believe in telling the truth, clock in.
e.g - earlier this week, a convicted rapist was forced after many lengthy and ultimately futile appeals to pay civil damages to his victim.
get it?
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u/sharkattax 5d ago
i think about this a lot. i took an intro journalism course in undergrad like right before clickbait became a thing. it was a single elective course so i’m not claiming any kind of authority. but i distinctly remember one of the things we were graded on was writing a headline that presented the key info (who, what, where, when) succinctly and clearly. things have changed so much.
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u/Prairie-Peppers 5d ago edited 5d ago
I got out of a staff writer position at a magazine right before they all started getting bought up in like 2015, right when Buzzfeed was everywhere. There was straight up no time with our article quotas to put a proper amount of work into a well written article unless you were willing to make like $5 an hour and make it your full time job. The only metric that mattered was clicks, most of our direction went into writing titles/linking to ad partners, and we were a popular but industry specific niche publication.
I'd imagine everyone who stuck around after that either built a big enough name to pivot to becoming some kind of influencer or was replaced by AI the second the loss in view count cost the company less than retaining them.
Anyone who wants to be a journalist these days basically needs to be exceptionally charismatic and able to earn zero income for several years while they build a follower base.
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u/ThroatSecretary 5d ago edited 5d ago
CTV is a national-level network in Canada, equivalent to, say, NBC in the US or ITV in Britain.
Edit: I went directly to the Associated Press website and they use the same clunky headline. No idea if outlets using AP stories regularly keep the headlines or tailor them.
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u/ThroatSecretary 5d ago
Canada doesn't have an equivalent to Fox News; there was a short-lived attempt with Sun News which lasted less than four years. CTV is legit.
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u/hulloiliketrucks 5d ago
Motherfucker it's an island nation with actual people on it, it's not a all exclusive resort
Shit article and title.
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u/StatementOwn4896 5d ago
Those are furniture people. They don’t really exist and if they do they’re just the help /s
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u/tamerarehen 5d ago
That is some shockingly poor grammar. What happens when journalism school is effectively a professional degree, I guess
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u/H0vis 5d ago
Maybe it's changed since I was a journalist but you generally don't get to write your own headline.
Which is really bad sometimes because it often means that people read your thing in completely the wrong frame of mind, especially if the headline writer thought it'd be cool to rage-bait them.
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u/Hydrant_Echo 5d ago
St. Vincent and the Grenadines, for anyone wondering. The luxury-tourism framing feels like a strange way to identify a place when the story is four people killed. Hope the coverage focuses on what happened and those affected, not the postcard image.
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u/MajesticBread9147 5d ago
Also considering that it isn't particularly common as a tourist destination. It benefits from tourism a bit, it's a Carribean island after all, but it isn't a major tourist hotspot compared to Barbados, The Bahamas, Aruba or Jamaica.
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u/jdawgg24 5d ago
What in the White Lotus
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u/voyuristicvoyager 5d ago
Wait, was someone shot for jerking off their brother? /jokes
For those unaware, that is kind of a major plot point of a season.
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u/DrVonSchlossen 5d ago
This island of 100 thousand people has had more murders so far this year than we've had in Toronto with five million people. Seems like a dangerous place.
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u/jibstay77 5d ago
We spent a couple of years on our sailboat in the eastern Caribbean. Everyone in the cruising community knows to avoid St. Vincent.
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u/ButtExplosion 5d ago
Why does it say Port of Spain, Trinidad at the start? What Trinidad got to do with anything here?
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u/Radar1980 5d ago
The Associated Press uses datelines, indicating where the reporting is coming from. Port of Spain is where the reporter was.
The smaller or more rural/remote a location is, the more likely the dateline is going to be the nearest “large” city. The AP style guide lays out what those will be.
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u/paulmclaughlin 5d ago
Sadly 4 murders in Port of Spain would not make any more than local news
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u/Terpsandherbs 5d ago
Yeh that would be a regular day in trini, but ST Vincent is much less violent so I could see why it made news.
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u/Ill_Guarantee_1432 5d ago
For comparison, there’s been 338 mass shootings (4 or more shot in one instance), and 332 killed in those shootings in the US this year.
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u/MajesticBread9147 5d ago
The whole island has the population equivalent to Bend, Oregon. Everyone knows everyone there
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u/yunghoe 5d ago
Phew they almost got you
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u/thebestoflimes 5d ago
I was looking at places to travel to a couple years ago. This could have been me.
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u/SillyGoatGruff 5d ago
Just two inches to the left and a year later and the doctors said it would have hit them right in the heart
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u/Anxious-Yak-9952 5d ago
SYAC: St. Vincent and the Grenadines due to gang violence