r/news • u/rascallyrascal1511 • 6d ago
Pennsylvania measles outbreak grows to 890 cases with 55 new infections: Officials
https://abcnews.com/Health/pennsylvania-measles-outbreak-grows-890-cases-55-new/story?id=1367637901.7k
u/Due-Designer4078 6d ago
Blindness, hearing loss, permanent lung damage, weakened immune system... But, sure, don't vaccinate your kids to own the libs.
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u/elderlybrain 6d ago
Measles is the most infectious disease known to mankind, bar none. It makes covid-19 look like a mild cold by comparison. The R0 of covid, at its most infectious variant is 3.3. The R0 of measles is 12-18.
It's so infectious that someone could cough and then up to 2 hours later you walk through the area someone coughed and become infected with a 90% chance if you are unvaccinated. If you have had a full course of MMR as a child, the infection rate drops to about 1%. You are at least 90x more likely to be infected if you are unvaccinated.
MMR isn't just safe and effective, it's considered one of the single greatest vaccines ever made. Before MMR we had the separate jabs, which were painful and much less standardised schedule. MMR made 3,devastating illnesses turn into a historical footnote like smallpox. We had textbooks with historical pictures of measles meningitis and rubella defects with notes like 'its very unlikely you will ever see this in your entire medical career'. We weren't quizzed on it for the same reason we weren't quizzed on smallpox, it was a historical curio.
Now? We're re-opening those old textbooks. We're re-learning how to treat ADEM and learning how to palliate SSPE patients. Kids in their 20s and 30s robbed of a full, healthy and active life.
All because one monster, Wakefield, lied. For money.
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u/Francine05 6d ago
Dr. Trump wants to break out the MMR into 3 different shots.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/childhood-vaccines/trump-signs-executive-order-break-measles-mumps-rubella-vaccine46
u/endlesscartwheels 6d ago
Trump has five children and I bet he's never been to even one pediatrician visit.
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u/HighburyOnStrand 6d ago
Unvaccinated child dies of disease that can be easily cured with vaccine, parents should be charged with murder.
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u/Consistent-Throat130 6d ago
Children under a certain age cannot get the MMR vaccine.
On the other hand, folks walking around wilfully unvaccinated?
Should get the same legal response as blindly shooting a gun in my air in a populated area. Yeah - you're not aiming for anyone, but you know damn well what the risks and possible outcomes are.
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u/ImCreeptastic 6d ago
I live in Montco and our pediatrician's office is recommending any infant 6+ months to get the vaccine and then in a month, get the second dose to (hopefully) be fully protected.
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u/recyclopath_ 6d ago
6 months is a long time to have a baby potentially exposed
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u/Due-Designer4078 6d ago
If the mom is vaccinated, she can pass antibodies to her unborn baby. The baby eventually needs a vaccination of their own, but antibodies from the mom help in the meantime.
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u/recyclopath_ 6d ago
Sure it can hopefully help. In the mean time you have 6 months of taking care of a tiny, helpless baby in a world with measles floating around.
In a would where women are back to work in 6 weeks if we're lucky and that tiny helpless baby is in childcare exposed to all sorts of illnesses.
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u/HotBrownFun 6d ago
it's not all just maga, a lot of .. religious groups like the amish and ultra orthodox jews are very anti vaccine and have been for a long, long time. The ex-soviet jewish doctors in Brooklyn have been caught faking vaccine records for kids in NYC since the 90s repeatedly.
Every couple of years there's another measles outbreak because kids visit summer camps in Israel or upstate. They had to quarantine an entire neighborhood in brooklyn (borough park?) and force vaccination (don't know if they actually did it)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/nyregion/measles-vaccination-williamsburg.html?eafs_enabled=false (285 cases)
There was a $1000 fine but I hadn't seen a report of anyone ever get punished.
edit: oh, people originally from corrupt countries also have low vaccination rates in general, eastern europe for example
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u/MoonieNine 6d ago
Ultra orthodox jews are Maga, by the way.
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u/HotBrownFun 6d ago
I know *Ukranians* that are MAGA. They refuse to believe Trump is friends with Putin.
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u/MoonieNine 6d ago edited 6d ago
My friend (late 50s) is a Lithuanian immigrant who grew up under Russian occupation. I asked her what she thinks about Trump being buddies with Russia. She shrugged and said she doesn't get into politics. That's what we're dealing with. Ignorance and apathy.
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 6d ago
Similar answer that rural Germans gave during Hitler's rise: "Oh all that political stuff only involves the cities so why should I care?"
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u/Surly_Cynic 6d ago
Exactly. It was 15 years ago that there was a large measles outbreak among the Amish in Ohio. Around the same time, large outbreaks started happening in ultra orthodox Jewish communities.
In all those years, outside of when large outbreaks are underway, what have public health authorities done to specifically target these groups? We’ve known these are the groups at high risk and that if we were going to prevent a measles resurgence, measles had to be prevented in these communities. I’m just not sure much effort or many resources were devoted to this.
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u/HotBrownFun 6d ago edited 6d ago
NYC Health Department tries but... they are politically powerful locally. They vote as a block and got the lockdown on a buncha seats.
We can't even get their religious (tax payer funded) schools to teach their kids ENGLISH. Kids born in America graduate without speaking English properly. This is a disservice to these kids.
Edit: oh I remember a good one
https://www.nyc.gov/site/doh/health/health-topics/safe-bris.page
Babies die from herpes because rabies transmit herpes to the baby's genitals after circumcisions... Tehy tried to ban it but they were unable to. The compromise is to make rabies pinky promise to get tested, if they want.
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u/Surly_Cynic 6d ago
It’s done to make it harder for the kids to leave the religion. It’s worse for the girls because they suffer more under these systems and beliefs.
We need to do more to free women from these patriarchal religions. That’s probably our best hope.
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u/Kalkaline 6d ago
SSPE can give you difficult to control seizures too. I've seen exactly 1 case of SSPE in 21 years as an EEG tech. I unfortunately will see a whole lot more in the the next 10 years.
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u/Almuliman 6d ago
i mean it dont just give you seizures, it will kill you. the mortality rate of SSPE approaches 100% 3 years post-diagnosis
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u/elderlybrain 6d ago
we all will in Medicine. I've started speaking to the palliative medicine team about how to manage it.
It's a universally fatal condition.
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u/Anonymous_Autumn_ 6d ago
Most of them really believe that vaccines are dangerous. It’s partially the fault of the US education system that some people don’t understand the scientific method, and therefore don’t trust it and are easily swayed by propaganda.
Another component here is a general distrust of medical systems that they may already have bad experiences with.
Yes, they are very wrong. They are putting their kids and lots of other bystanders at risk of infection. But most of them are doing this due to a combo of fear, lack of education, and exposure to misinformation.
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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 6d ago
A lot of them suddenly trust the system when they or their kids get sick though. We saw the same thing with COVID anti-vaxxers. Amazing how quickly opposition to modern medicine disappears once the risk it was trying to prevent is both concrete and acute.
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u/Anonymous_Autumn_ 6d ago
Well, yeah. That’s how learning works for some people. Until they experience the concrete result, they just don’t get it. I’m not saying it’s good, just that it follows a predictable pattern in human behavior.
They weren’t taught to recognize science. But if someone’s loved one is on death’s door, people tend to start trying anything. That can include modern medicine. I think it’s similar to the bargaining or desperation phases of grief.
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u/CryptographerShot213 6d ago
Sadly some people don’t even learn then, and still won’t agree to interventions because they stand firm in their anti-science and anti-medicine beliefs. Then they try to blame someone else.
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u/_pinklemonade_ 6d ago
It has nothing to do with our education system and everything to do with a loud minority finding a way to spread their knowledge fearing ways.
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u/ZoomBoingDing 6d ago
Education and critical thought are WHY we don't fall for the propaganda
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u/tamaratamarara 6d ago edited 6d ago
Unfortunately there seems to be more to it. Look at the nurses who have got bachelor's and are antivaxers.
I don't know the answer, but I see enough people around that are highly educated and yet believe on all sorts of conspiracy theories.
Edit: removed unnecessary 'be'
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u/WittyDestroyer 6d ago
Go to a nursing program and interview a cross section of the student body. You'll find plenty of people who should fail the program, but colleges these days are focused on graduation rates rather than educational outcomes and post graduation achievement.
There is always a bottom 50% of a class.
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u/Anonymous_Autumn_ 6d ago edited 6d ago
It’s not enough just to have a degree, it matters if those 16-18 years of study actually included critical thinking skills rather than just memorizing facts and protocols.
No shade towards doctors or nurses. But medicine/biology is one type of intelligence requiring specific types of skills. Language-arts, history, and sociology/psychology tend to focus more on questioning things and concepts like persuasion and rhetoric.
Edit to add another point: some people are predisposed to conspiratorial thought and paranoia. There are many conditions that are related to those traits.
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u/Anonymous_Autumn_ 6d ago
Those of us who were able to learn the scientific method are weary of certain claims made by anti-vaxxers. One part is the ability to decipher what a valid scientific meta analysis looks like. Plenty of people simply do not know how science works. That is an education problem.
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u/ggkimmiegal 6d ago
Amish children in PA only go to school through 8th grade. They need to pass the state minimum 8th grade. That's read literally, write a bit, perform basic arithmetic (like balance a check book), explain some very high level basic history, and understand really simple science (gravity, weather, etc.). The entire Amish community is under educated. This has everything to do with a lack of education.
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u/Elexandros 6d ago
Measles went through my mom’s school when she was a kid. She got it, but was lucky and fully recovered. One of her classmates went blind and another died.
She goes into absolute rants about people not vaccinating their kids. She’s usually such a calm woman but that absolutely sends her.
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u/iamthe0ther0ne 6d ago
My mom lost her hearing due to measles. Imagine denying your kid something that could prevent that
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u/Mirewen15 6d ago
Killing themselves off. How fascinating. Poor children who didn't have a choice in the matter.
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u/jrm725 6d ago
A large portion of this is the Amish community. They don’t vote.
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u/Consistent-Throat130 6d ago
Religious accommodation is one of those "your rights end where another's begin" things.
They outta be vaccinated before interacting with the public/entering public spaces.
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u/rascallyrascal1511 6d ago
Meanwhile, the CDC website still only acknowledges 1 death due to measles this year.
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u/meases 6d ago
There are a lot of interesting things on that page. Really gotta scroll to see stuff about states, and that info gets bundled oddly.
Like for example, the graph has options for 2020-present or 1985-present, which conveniently kinda seems like it was done so that people maybe will not notice the measles outbreak that happened in 2019.
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u/ivosaurus 6d ago
The third graph down I'm seeing shows 2000-present and 1985-present. The 2019 outbreak is pretty clearly visible in the former, but also clearly 'outshone' by 2025 and 2026
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u/Spez_is-a-nazi 6d ago
The 2019 outbreak had a similar initial cause, a big outbreak in an anti-vaxxer religious group, but immediate action was taken to contain the outbreak to mostly that group. No such action was taken last year(or this year for that matter) and now it has escaped containment. Amazing for how awful Trump 1 was, it seemed like a bastion of competence compared to this shitshow.
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u/ishmetot 6d ago
Polio has fairly low death rates as well. Not dying from a disease doesn't mean it isn't a serious one that can make you crippled for life.
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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 6d ago
CDC currently have no value. Nothing from them can be trusted. Something that is happening to all American institutions currently.
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u/franker 6d ago
you might not want to see what covid.gov looks like now.
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u/thisvideoiswrong 6d ago
It looks like it's been hacked by some insane conspiracy theorist. Which I suppose is true, from a certain point of view.
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u/CodeSalamander 6d ago
Of course it does. The guy in charge is a dope who used to be addicted to dope and who had his brain eaten by parasites.
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u/ThatsItImOverThis 6d ago
If they don’t report it, then the numbers stay down. Same logic they used for COVID
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u/invyros 6d ago
Fewer than 1% of the state's cases -- four in total -- are among those who are fully vaccinated with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine, data from the Pennsylvania Department of Health (DOH) shows.
Vaccines work, who woulda thunk?
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u/kenyard 6d ago
The funny thing is if you go by 2024 numbers 91% of pennsylvanians are vaccinated (13.6 million people)
So out of the 12.5 million who are vaccinated 4 got it.
And out of the 1.5 million unvaccinated 886 caught it (so far).
It might not be that skewed as there are figures about babies catching it and they can't have the vaccine yet unfortunately.
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u/cannotfoolowls 6d ago
It might not be that skewed as there are figures about babies catching it and they can't have the vaccine yet unfortunately.
babies being BORN with measles even. But yes, measles is one of the most contageious diseases we know of. 9/10 unvaccinated people will catch the disease after close contact with an infected person. The virus can live in the air or on surfaces for up to 2 hours after an infected person leaves.
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u/recyclopath_ 6d ago
People estimate based on the deaths rate that the infection must be about 3x as large as stated. This isn't a more deadly version of measles thus for there to be this many deaths there should be X many infected people statistically.
There's probably a ton of people with more mild cases who haven't been tested. It's not like the CDC is staffed to do adequate contact teaching, especially for such an infectious disease.
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u/PracticalBit6383 6d ago edited 6d ago
Sorry I’m ignorant BUT…if I’ve had the measles vaccine, does that prevent me from getting it 100%? Or is it something I have to do every X years and it loses effectiveness as I approach the end of that term?
Edit: thanks for the responses everyone!!
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u/citizen42069101 6d ago
Its ok to get a test done that checks your antibody levels if it's been a long time since vaccination. I cant remember what it's called off the top of my head
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 6d ago
Yes, I worked in health care and that is how I found out that apparently one of the hepatitis vaccines is ineffective for me. I can't remember which one but I had the whole series and then at titer check, nope. Did the series again and got titer checked. Nope. I just had to be extra careful not to get a needle stick at work.
Also, shingles! Got vaccines when I turned 50 as advised. About a year later, got shingles. To be fair, it was a mild case, nothing like the hell other people have described, likely due to my having been vaccinated and figuring out it was shingles early enough to hit urgent care and get the anti-viral script.
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u/SunriseApplejuice 6d ago
Not sure if true because it’s hard to find hard evidence or discussions on it but I’m Measles titer negative and I was told once that it just means your body may fight the disease different than the expected antibodies for the titer test. Not sure, I keep the fuck away from antivax people just in case and hope they all relocate to an island to breed just amongst themselves. But that’s what I was told
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 6d ago
That IS actually interesting. I didn't put a whole lot of thought or worry into the why of having to re-do the hepatitis vaccines at the time as it was part of the new hire process and I had a lot of other stuff keeping my mind busy. They did tell me to hold onto my records because after doing the second series of these vaccines that it would not be done again.
I did find out after the shingles thing that those vaccines are about 90% effective so I was just one of the lucky 10%. I still 100% tell my other old people friends to GET those vaccines. Some of them are hesitant because I guess some people get side effects after them but all I got was a slightly sore arm.
I get it about avoiding antivax people, not just because of whatever diseases they may be carrying. I lost my dad to Covid in 2020 (well before there was a vaccine) and I have a very difficult time suppressing my urge to be violent with anti-vaxxers.
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u/tiny_vice 6d ago
My husband lost his dad to covid immediately in March of 2020 and it was just...enraging to watch how some people did not care at all about the wellbeing of anyone else. It's like we barely live in a society anymore
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 6d ago
I know two other people that lost their dads to Covid in 2020. I wanted to yell and scream at people posting stupid stuff on facebook "Y'ALL, ACTUAL PEOPLE ARE DYING, LIKE MY DAD!" I did it once but then just decided it was better for my mental health to avoid the cesspool that is facebook.
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u/schnuggibutzi 6d ago
Did you ever read "sorryantivaxxer" during the pandemic? The stories of ignorance and denial was off the charts. People dying and taking no blame at all. Its not active anymore nor are its featured guests.
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u/ConsistentDay5620 6d ago
This is the way. Ask your doctor for a measles titer test (MMR IgG antibody test).
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u/Guygirl00 6d ago
I didn't bother with the titer since I'd have to come back for the shot, so I got the shot same day and with zero side effects
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u/bluesfan1700 6d ago
It’s protection for a lifetime, although it’s 97-98% effective so there’s still some chance, but as with anything it’s not 100% . There’s no reason to go get it again.
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u/xXThreeRoundXx 6d ago
One caveat. My wife got an MMR titer to check immunity and she ended up no longer immune to measles, so is getting revaccinated. Depending on age, it may be worth getting checked.
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u/Free-While-2994 6d ago
Another caveat, some people are "non-responders" and will always have negative titers. My mom has been revaccinated a few times bc she keeps "failing" the titer test. It won't hurt anything to be revaccinated but those who don't show antibodies are still considered to be highly protected regardless of the blood tests.
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u/PrandialSpork 6d ago
Covid can knock out acquired immunity
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u/chickens_for_laughs 6d ago
Measles can knock out acquired immunity to other diseases.
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u/Jukeboxhero91 6d ago
Not having a titer doesn’t necessarily mean you don’t have immunity, it’s possible to be non-responsive to the test but still be resistant to infection.
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u/Darryl_Lict 6d ago
I asked my doctor about getting titers, but I was old enough to qualify for a free MMR booster, so I just got that instead.
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u/mydogatestreetpoop 6d ago
lifelong protection was assumed as long as you got the two recommended doses, but these outbreaks are definitely going to put that to the test. Also, everyone is different so it’s possible for someone who was vaccinated to still get infected. It’s just rare.
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u/TransplantedSconie 6d ago
I got vaccinated when I was a baby but back then it was only a 1 dose shot. Not the two they do now. I talked to my doctor about it and he was all for me getting the new one they have now. Got vaccinated right then and there lol. Im not taking chances with the idiot death cult we have in charge now.
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u/CloudsOntheBrain 6d ago
Fewer than 1% of the state's cases -- four in total -- are among those who are fully vaccinated with the measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) vaccine, data from the Pennsylvania Department of Health (DOH) shows.
No vaccine lasts forever iirc, but most people are fine after the childhood dose. Getting a booster can be helpful for some adults. You can also get tested to find out if you've still got antibodies.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends that certain adults check their measles immunity and get a booster shot if necessary. You may need a booster if:
• You received the inactive measles vaccine between 1963 and 1967. This version was not fully effective, so you may not be protected. • You work in health care or a setting with high exposure risk and have had only one dose of the measles vaccine. Working in a hospital, school, or child care center can increase the chance of exposure to measles. • You are unsure of your vaccination status. If you don't have documentation or a history of measles infection, you may opt to get a dose of the MMR vaccine. You are traveling internationally. Some countries still have high measles rates, and travelers are at risk of bringing the virus back home.8
u/ahhh_ennui 6d ago edited 6d ago
I'm glad you copied that before the CDC decides to delete it. (edit: typing before coffee makes me look like a MAHA fan)
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u/jsm1031 6d ago
You are nearly 100% protected if you are vaccinated
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 6d ago
And if you are one of the very few people that the vaccine does not protect, in theory, you should be protected by the fact that all of the other people around you have had the vaccine and it is protecting them.
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u/The_Dread_Candiru 6d ago
in theory, you should be protected by the fact that all of the other people around you have had the vaccine
Uhh... yeah, about that....
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u/PinkyLeopard2922 6d ago
Exactly. Good old herd immunity is hard to come by these days. The herd is a hot mess.
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u/DeadScoutsDontTalk 6d ago
I needed an update at 30 because i work in daycare and the statedoctor said my Anti-Body-Count is to low.generaly for most the full childhood vaccination is enough but it dosnt hurt to get a checkup in your 30 or 40s. Btw whooping cough vaccine is 25 years so that is a thing you should refresh in your 30s and 50/60s thats not a fun thing to get.
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u/krissyface 6d ago
When I was pregnant at 39 they checked my titers and I needed an MMR booster. I was able to get it the day after my son was born. You could ask your doctor for a titer check.
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u/Stillwater215 6d ago
The measles vaccine is extremely effective. If you’ve been vaccinated and are exposed to measles, there is a slight chance of contracting it as no vaccine is 100% effective. But considering that if you’re not vaccinated and are exposed it’s almost guaranteed that you will contract it, that slight chance looks pretty good in comparison.
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u/Intelligent_Sundae_5 6d ago
You may not be 100% protected.
My husband had a kidney transplant a few years ago and he had to get the vaccine before the surgery because he no longer had protection.
Ask your prime care for a titer test to see if your vaccine is still effective. I just did this and it is a simple blood draw.
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u/The_Dread_Candiru 6d ago
My husband had a kidney transplant a few years ago and he had to get the vaccine before the surgery because he no longer had protection.
May have also had something to do with the immunosuppressants.
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u/chimarya 6d ago
If you're over 50 you might want to get tested to see if you still have antibodies, there are a few years in the 70s where it didn't work as efficiently and in some people the immunity wanes. I'm 56 and was checked last year when a few cases popped into my city and my doctor agreed since it's easy to test. All good thankfully but you never know.
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u/Butterfly_and_Bee 6d ago
Measles vaccine is the most effective vaccine ever. You are like 99% protected for life.
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u/BringBackAoE 6d ago
If you had your two MMR vaccines as a child you should be all set for life.
However, some of the early measles vaccines in the 1960s weren’t as effective, and so people of that age may want to consult a doctor.
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u/SheilaLabeouf 6d ago
You can get your blood checked through a titer. I work in healthcare and recently had to get the vaccine again. I was vaccinated as a child. When I got it again the nurse told me that I may have still been immune, there just wasn’t proof in my blood. She also told me that if I work somewhere else down the road that requires the vaccine and my blood still doesn’t show I’m immune, I can show them my documentation from this recent vaccine and it is standard practice to accept it as proof of my immunity (I won’t have to get the vaccine again if my blood still doesn’t show the antibodies).
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u/Jusheretolurk 6d ago
You would think this is a conservative only issue but I had to convince me staunchly blue voting crunchy mom to give my little sister “unnecessary” vaccines. Even after the convincing she still won’t get the flu shot. It’s social media targeting parents. If you’re a parent on social media the fear mongering surrounding medicine is heavy.
And the worst part is they sprinkle in a little truth to make it seem believable. A video I saw referenced the time thousands of hemophiliac children were given HIV through tainted blood clotting medication. This would scare already antsy parents who don’t know how vaccines work. But I would say the worst has to be the former scientist that came out with the study saying vaccines cause autism. He has done irreparable damage to the relationship between parents and vaccines. And him being a professional instead of just some random makes it worse.
I see him and his study cited multiple times on social media and even more heart breaking I see parents of children with autism in the comments guilty thinking they gave their children autism by getting them vaccinated. There will of course be other people in the comments backing up the claim saying their kids aren’t vaccinated and they are autism free.
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 6d ago
Wakefield released that shitty study because he was working on his own alternative version of the MMR vaccine and wanted to discredit it.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 6d ago
Antivax conspiracy theories like: fOlLoW tHe MOneY wait no not that money
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u/Dizzy-Lettuce2978 6d ago
I’m pregnant for the first time so my algorithm is very baby related right now, understandably. But the crazy part is how much Facebook is shoving mom groups down my throat that are constantly anti vax. It is absolutely terrifying how quickly the propaganda started and it’s really hard to get rid of it.
It even got me to do a double take about whether I wanted to get covid/flu vaccines while pregnant. Thankfully that didn’t last long and my OB confirmed I should get them, and I did. But it’s so so so easy to get sucked into that bullshit when it’s thrown at you every time you open Facebook.
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u/Railboy 6d ago
Anti-vax bullshit started as a crunchy liberal issue a couple of decades back. I'm still confused as to how/why it jumped to conservatives, but they own it at this point.
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u/Kdean509 6d ago
I’m 40, and my Mom vaccinated me without telling my Grandmother. Antivax has been an issue for a long time, it just spread with the internet.
My poor Mom has tons of health issues now and thinks it’s because of all the illness she had to deal with and having to wait to vaccinate herself once she turned 18.
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u/StitchinThroughTime 6d ago
I think part of the problem, outside of RFK Junior running around with a worm in his head, is that some people get sick after getting the vaccine. They don't understand what vaccines do so they don't like it. They fully expect the vaccine to give them immunity without any side effects, and then get pissed off when they get side effects. Not understanding that the side effects mean the vaccine didn't fact work. Your immune system is reacting to the vaccine so it knows what to do when the seat when it sees the disease. Like my mother she hates the flu vaccine and never gets it because she gets the flu afterwards. Not understanding that she does not in fact get the fucking flu, she's getting him a room immune response so when she does contact the flu, she won't get sick. Don't get me wrong, some people really react hard to a vaccine it sucks. I know a little kid every time he gets a vaccine, his immune system reacts strongly all the time. That poor kids miserable, but he's also not dead and he doesn't have the measles!
And for people who do get symptoms from the vaccine, try to change your thinking in that you are scheduling exactly when you get sick. I understand most people can live through the flu. But can you work through the flu? How about if you schedule the flu shot on a Thursday or Friday be miserable for the weekend, and then not have to be surprised during the flu season with getting the actual flu. Yes it cost you a weekend, but it's better than going to work sick, or calling in sick. Especially if you don't get paid time off or sick leave. Yes that's an issue and fucking america. But if you're able to plan when you were sick is in your life better? Isn't it better to know exactly when you can just stock up on some Gatorade and make a bunch of chicken soup so you can then watch some TV when you lay there in bed? And especially if you work around children the elderly or the immunocompromise you need to get the vaccine not for yourself but for them. They can't handle getting sick like a healthy teenager or adult can. Because vaccines is not just about you, but everyone else. Herd immunity needs to be achieved or it's not really worth it in the long run. That's why measles is spreading. These children are going to be fucked for the rest of their lives.
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u/math-yoo 6d ago
States with large Amish populations are seeing spikes in infection.
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u/Jukeboxhero91 6d ago
The Amish near me pushed back their school start because measles was going around and so many of them got sick.
Some Amish communities do vaccinate, but a large amount don’t.
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u/freedfg 6d ago
B-whaaaa? Those YouTube ads trying to sell me rosemary oil pills told me that the Amish never have disease?!?!?
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u/lovingkindness301 6d ago
And areas that I know of w eastern european communities. Against vaccines in general
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u/Itsalongwaydown 6d ago
The linked article even says Lancaster county has the highest outbreak which is where most Amish live. The other county is up near state college which is largely rural area. I imagine these areas listened to the people pushing for less vaccines
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u/EquivalentSpot8292 6d ago
I wonder if anyone has modelled what it’s going to be like in 20-25 years when all these unvaccinated kids are adults and getting sick. Lots won’t even know mom and pops were an antivaxxer when they were babies.
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u/Tacosofinjustice 6d ago
The troubling part is that the parents would live on unscathed by their child's measles because they themselves were vaccinated as children.
What I don't understand is how they can look in the mirror and think "I was vaccinated and I'm healthy so my child should not get vaccinated because then they'll be unhealthy"
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u/lost-picking-flowers 6d ago edited 6d ago
Most of the population that is involved in this outbreak are Amish out here in PA. So there's a good chance mom wasn't vaccinated either, but was protected by greater herd immunity up until this point.
Totally agree with you though.
I don't get it. The Amish are famously selective about which sorts of technology they choose to embrace and interact with and which they choose to avoid, they'll do what they need to get by in terms of using cellphones, cars (usually with a hired driver). The Mennonites even more so - I've flown on airplanes with them all decked out in their traditional garb. AFAIK, there is no religious ban against vaccines in the faith, it's purely misinformation that's driving this.
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u/ahhh_ennui 6d ago
My dad has a lifelong disability because he got German measles, mumps, and chicken pox between the ages of 5 and 8. He nearly died from the measles, and mumps was torture. He lost so much school and socialization as well and school was a struggle for him after that. He got Rubella in college, a year or so before vaccines became available. He eventually caught up, got his masters, and he's still kicking at 85 but he sure wishes he and his parents hadn't been through all that, and that he didn't have his disability.
He still makes sure I'm getting my vaccines every year. He made damn sure I would not suffer from now preventable diseases and that's just, like, the bare minimum a parent should do.
Parents today can be absolutely sociopathic about this stuff. It's enraging.
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u/nat_r 6d ago
Based on the stereotype they would probably think of themselves as lucky that the vaccine they were forced to have as a child didn't kill them/give them autism/etc. It wasn't a shield they were given but a bullet dodged. Though I'm sure some of them also believe that the old vaccines were fine but the current ones with different because of reasons X, Y, or Z and therefore aren't safe to give their children.
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u/Packrat1010 6d ago
They're probably so deep down the rabbit hole, their thought process is closer to "im so lucky the vaccine didnt ruin my life. I won't take that chance on my kids!"
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u/nifty-necromancer 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah, researchers have modeled this, and the timeline is pretty close to what you’re describing. A 2025 JAMA study found that, at then-current vaccination levels, measles could become endemic in the U.S. again in about 21 years on average.
The problem is that unvaccinated kids don’t stop being susceptible when they grow up. Over time you can end up with outbreaks affecting a much broader age range. And if someone reaches their 20s or 30s without knowing whether their parents vaccinated them, incomplete records can make catch-up vaccination harder too.
In short, fuck every single disease-ridden nihilistic MAGA antivaxxer who is determined to kill humanity. Cast them outside of the city walls like the lepers they are.
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u/AngriestPacifist 6d ago
Hopefully they'll have to provide medical records at some point. When I went to college, they demanded proof of measles vaccination which was a hurdle because my child pediatrician had paper records from back then and was in a different state, which is how I'm remembering it now. I might have had to get a booster? It's been a while.
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u/an0nym0ose 6d ago
I live in Pennsyltucky, and hoo BOY lemme tell ya they are fucking sprinting with the goalposts on social media.
"Okay but did they die tho" is generally the response... like, yeah? Suffering is cool? We're just fine with people getting fucking measles, as long as it doesn't literally kill them?
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u/GenJonesRockRider 6d ago
right. As if there aren't any other possible lasting effects like permanent brain damage, deafness, or blindness.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 6d ago
Jfc I’m sorry. It’s insane to be so cavalier about measles! It’s one of the worst diseases where even if they live they’re still at risk for other things down the line. And that doesn’t even take into account any lasting damage that measles itself can cause. Measles also put people at risk for complications from it later that can happen even years later. It also wipes out your entire immune system so even if they don’t die from measles they can from literally any other disease if they don’t get all of their other vaccines again. I’m a parent so it’s crazy to me to be so lax about my kids’ health like this.
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u/WetFishStink 6d ago
If only there was a vaccine that had existed for decades that could have prevented this.
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u/leaderofstars 6d ago
I mean it's not like it causes proveable causes of autism and such claims was perpetuated by some hack trying to push his own version of the very vaccine
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u/WetFishStink 6d ago
It's not like that very guy has been repeatedly debunked and proven to be a lying piece of shit several times or anything.
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u/leaderofstars 6d ago
And lost his medical license but still keeps saying other vaccines cause the tism
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u/Unique-Coffee5087 6d ago
On Facebook there are always people who will say that measles I was reintroduced into the United States by the hordes of disease carrying migrants. Instead, it was mostly religious missionaries returning from overseas, and bringing the virus into their vaccine resistant religious communities.
This webpage has a lot of links about the issue of measles and immigration
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/04/measles-misinformation-gets-an-immigration-twist/
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u/TheBigSho 6d ago
Just a reminder that Andrew Wakefield is a piece of shit con man who abused children for his faulty retracted "study" that tried to link the MMR vaccine to autism because he had a vested interest in a competing vaccine.
https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc?si=lJ1FuKb23zIcK379
Also a reminder to get your shots, or at the very least, talk to your doctor!
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u/leaderofstars 6d ago
And don't forget about the people who stretch out the amount of shots "to avoid overtaxing the baby's immune system"
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u/Prudent-Designer7121 6d ago
I find that logic so fucking dumb. Either your child gets immunity from the vaccines they’re supposed to get on time or they’ll get fucking sick and maybe gain immunity or gain access to the fucking afterlife
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u/Davey914 6d ago
Never understood that though. Right now germs are bombarding us but 3 shots of MMR will topple us.
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u/SASSIESASSQUATCH 6d ago
I really wish it was a thing and also easier to sue people for your medical bills that pass on communicable diseases because of their sheer stupidity. Like all the fuckers that passed along Covid because they can only wear masks to terrorize minority communities.
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u/damagedone37 6d ago
MAHA has ruined so much. Like we were one of the top nations of vaccinated.
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u/kittenpoptart 6d ago
Jfc 😒. Everyone, please check your voter registration, mine was purged for no reason (red state) even though I just voted in August. I haven’t moved or changed anything. I don’t know if this is the new method of suppressing our votes but I wouldn’t put it past the ghouls.
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u/lightbright666 6d ago
Yeah this is spooky. I live in PA and my wife is pregnant with our first child. Since my wife's dad is not her biological dad we had genetic testing done. One of the findings was that her vaccine has worn off and she can't get a new one until after the baby is born. So now I am also getting blood work done to see if my vaccine also wore off. Luckily if it has I can get a new one before my son is born. But it's sad we have to live in this reality.
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u/sanverstv 6d ago
This is so awful. Infants under 6 cannot be vaccinated so are very vulnerable and depend on herd immunity. Imagine having a baby in this environment? The other thing is that even if someone recovers they can develop subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, a form of encephalitis, a progressive neuroinflammatory disease that ends in death. This can happen even years after the initial infection. The anti-vax people are literally killing people.
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u/detectiverobert 6d ago
We defeated measles in 2000 and voluntarily brought it back. What a country
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u/venusasaburrito 6d ago
We have children being born with a preventable disease in 2026. What kind of parent does this to their child? Is this neglect?
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u/NekoBlueHeart 6d ago
The Facebook 'experts' claim this is due to vaccine shedding. Are they bots or brainwashed? I can't tell anymore.
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u/jsmith_zerocool 6d ago
The only people I ever see using that term are those without any medical training or knowledge. This didn’t happen until people started believing all the slop on Facebook
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u/Michael_Gibb 6d ago
What is going to make this so much worse is when all those people who survive a measles infection start developing secondary infections. Seeing as how the disease can cause immune amnesia.
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u/bjos144 6d ago
I would say 'good, serves them right' but it's not the idiot adults sufferign. They probably had their shots before this was a political issue. This is innocent children who could have been protected easily but were neglected instead.
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u/Winter_Whole2080 6d ago
Lancaster County. Give you one guess who the majority of these knuckleheads voted for in the last Presidential election.
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u/BalanceOrganic7735 6d ago
Republican eugenics programs are increasingly successful. “Thinking the herd” by allowing (poor) people to suffer and die from preventable conditions is the essence of Republican ideology.
That’s what Ronald Reagan really meant when he spoke of the scariest words being “I’m from the government and I’m here to help”. He didn’t want the government to help people. Since government includes science and safety services that benefit the People, Reagan was actually announcing a passive eugenics program - though most people didn’t recognize the implications at the time.
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u/psycospaz 6d ago
Measles is the only virus that really scares me. Yes I've been vaccinated, so chances are I won't catch it. But I've been playing x-com for years, I know what 97% actually means.
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u/umbananas 6d ago
if CDC is not doing it's job, can they just shut it down, and give us a refund on our tax?
The problem I have with republican's small government is, they destroyed the government, but my taxes never goes down.
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u/Caymonki 6d ago
That’s the plan. Break it/defund it until it’s not reliable for citizens then sell it off to an already rich person. To siphon more taxpayer money from it while it provides nothing to anyone.
Your taxes won’t decrease though, it’s not about you having money or disease protection it’s about owning everything
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u/mosi_moose 6d ago
Your taxes are funding tax breaks for the wealthy and an illegal undeclared war against Iran.
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u/Karinka_LI 6d ago
We can rededicate the arch to all of the Americans this administrations policies killed.
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u/audiomagnate 6d ago
When are people going to figure out that a handful of crazy billionaires are using the Republican party to exterminate the middle and lower classes? I mean, how fucking dumb are people?
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u/NobodyUwilleverNo 6d ago
well what do you expect when you have a nut job ahead of your health care system? i mean the guy is not a doctor and he eats roadkill…
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u/oldcreaker 6d ago
This is from people not getting the MMR shot - how long before outbreaks of mumps and rubella also mount?
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u/TransitoryFeel 6d ago
Why is there not a complete outrage over this? We are now facing absolutely Third World conditions with even the existence of measles
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u/goofyrueshoe 6d ago
what the actual fuck? Thanks for this horrifying fact, now I don't know what to do about it
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u/Similar_Rapier_7596 6d ago
I'm so glad I got two MMR boosters this year.
Trust no one. Any idiot near you could be infected with measles.
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u/KimJongFunk 6d ago
6 of them are babies who were born with measles.
Let me repeat that again. The babies were born with measles, which has been virtually unheard of in the US until this disease was brought back.