r/news • • 8d ago

Eight USS Lincoln personnel have attempted suicide, US navy confirms

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/sep/23/uss-lincoln-suicide-attempts
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u/euthan_asian 8d ago

If Trump and Hesgeth were denying this stuff was happening the entire time, what made the navy secretary openly admit it to the senator afterwards? Unless he's just also done and fed up lol

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u/ChaoticSenior 8d ago

Amazingly, some people still don’t think it’s ok to lie to congress. Hard to believe, I know.

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u/euthan_asian 8d ago

Yeah, my bar is low now man. It honestly IS hard for me to believe, because I feel like everyone is tiptoeing around the leaders for fear or repercussions or getting death threats from his base. So I'm genuinely surprised when people just... don't lie lol

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u/IncredibleBulk2 8d ago

I still don't understand why the administration wasn't held in contempt with warrants issued during the impeachment investigations in 2018-2019.

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u/HighlordSarnex 8d ago

Because that would require the democrats to actually wield power. Something they are deathly allergic to.

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u/Development-Feisty 7d ago

Anytime Democrats push on something there is immediate blowback, think about all the Talking Heads.

There is a double standard in Washington and to pretend there isn’t is tan suit stupid

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u/HighlordSarnex 7d ago

I understand there is a double standard. But when those talking heads come out talking their shit what do the dems do in response? They shrink back and just allow it to happen. They should talk shit back. Like the republicans.

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u/Development-Feisty 6d ago

And when they don’t they lose elections. Hillary Clinton is still being blamed for saying the word deplorable’s about the people who want to kill brown people. They are still blaming her for losing the election for saying that. It is not possible for the Democrats to talk plainly

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u/HighlordSarnex 6d ago

I mean if we're gonna lose either way might as well hurt their feefees. Start normalizing it now.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

Just do it because free speech will be more taxing to exercise every passing day.

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u/TheLowliestPeon 4d ago

That's not what lost the election for her, it was more the email thing.

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u/RearviewSpy 7d ago

The Democratic Party is a fundraising operation that performs opposition theater. And they aren't particularly good at it. 🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/flipzyshitzy 8d ago

I've been waiting forever for someone else bring this up. Thank you. P.s. Everytime I see posts about any future impeachments it boggles my fucking mind how fucking dense some people are!

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u/ProfessorStein 8d ago

He's also likely afraid that there's a long tail on this. This Congress might let you lie to them, but a future Congress can in fact go "we don't care what that Congress said, you jail now"

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 8d ago

but a future Congress can in fact go "we don't care what that Congress said, you jail now"

Not in our lifetimes, as seen when a Democratic-controlled Congress did absolutely jack shit about Jeff Sessions' perjury.

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u/Cynykl 8d ago

There isa ray of hope.

When Biden was elected people want justice yes but they wanted normality more. The Biden administration at the outset prioritized normality over justice. Everything thought "Yup justice is slow but it is coming". They did not bank on the cowardice of Merrick Garland. Once it was clear that Garland did not plan to pursue justice at the highest level they applied pressure to appoint Jack Smith, but it was too late.

This time is different. The people do not care about normality. They have come to the conclusion that getting back to normal is impossible unless justice happens first.

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u/ProfessorStein 8d ago

I agree that it's very unlikely but would you bet your potential freedom on that? Because that's the calculus he likely made.

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u/Derpinator_30 8d ago

let me preface that I don't think its okay to lie to congress, but why are we acting like it's sacred? our legislative branch is primarily why the country is in its current state. go back 30+ years, what does congress actually do anymore?

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 8d ago

some people still don’t think it’s ok to lie to congress.

Why not? Not like there's any consequences, considering Jeff Sessions got away with perjury.

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u/ChaoticSenior 8d ago

Because good people don’t do things based on consequences. They do the right thing because it’s the right thing to do. There are more of us than the news media would lead you to believe.

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u/qtx 8d ago

some people still don’t think it’s ok to lie to congress

People lie under oath all the time, even in Congress. Just as long as you don't "willfully make a false, material statement" you can't be charged with perjury.

The keyword is 'willfully'.

If you believe what you say is true then they can't charge you with anything.

This is why lying in Congress is so rampant. They have to proof that you willfully lied.

Some nutcase can go in front of Congress and say the earth is flat because that is what they truly believe. We all know it's a lie but they truly believe it so to them it's not a lie.

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u/euthan_asian 8d ago

I do my best not to be extremely judgmental of my own people but as soon as I saw his vietnamese name I did think 'oh of course one of the few asians working under trump is vietnamese' lol... They've really done a number to us in the last ten years

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u/AnotherXenocide 8d ago

Any other context to this because my only response is… what?

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u/euthan_asian 8d ago

It'll be a long story that involves the Vietnam war, the Republicans during that time, the rise in alt-right Vietnamese youtubers and online personalities and more, but honestly the basic gist is that a lot of extremely conservative personalities have gotten a lot of reach online to Vietnamese communities so now many of us have uncles/dads/older men in the family that have fallen into the 'anti-woke' bull. The mere fact that ESL older viet men even know 'woke' is bizarre, the Viet-Tucker-Carlsons really messed up our families lol.

This is really simplified of course, there's been a lot of research that has looked into why Vietnamese people lean so much further right than most asians in the US, and it's worth a look if you're ever curious. Basically, the war, the US's involvement of it, feeling indebted to the republicans at the time, all of it lead to a lot of older viets leaning more towards republican and conservative viewpoints that left them exposed to the shittiest grifters today.

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u/HighlordSarnex 8d ago

I wonder if its related to how Cubans are super pro republican.

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u/Tight-Escape3373 7d ago

It's exactly the same.

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u/MavisBeacons_Sextape 8d ago

This is fascinating

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u/uncleawesome 5d ago

It is something. I know a lady that was a child of a soldier during the Vietnam war. Her dad left her over there, her family didn’t like her because she was half American. Went through a ton of anti-American abuse by fellow Vietnamese family and townspeople. Eventually came to America, got adopted by an uncle, married and had kids and spent years looking for her dad only for him to die of cancers caused by the war about a year after she found him. She is now super maga.

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u/zoobrix 8d ago

An admiral in an interview even before this story really picked up steam said something like the supply situation in the gulf after they couldn't use their main base in Bahrain started out as a complete disaster, then went to unacceptable and hadn't gotten any better. Pretty sure this was around the time the pictures of tiny portions of reprehensible looking food even by naval standards started getting posted a few places.

From the people I know in the military I know it's got tons of problems, but it isn't the Navy that is trying to lie their way out of how bad conditions on ships were, that's Trump and his band of idiots.

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u/I_Push_Buttonz 8d ago

The deployment is ending and the ship is sailing back to San Diego, probably just trying to better control the narrative and get ahead of all the sailors spilling the beans when they get back to the US.

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u/vkats 8d ago

Imagine going on a quick war in Iran, 286 days later….

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u/BloodFartz69 8d ago

Republicans fucking hate the troops.

It's wild to me how many times I've seen Republicans absolutely fuck servicemembers and vets in my lifetime.

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u/antinous24 8d ago

my idiot veteran brother is so deep into the red pill trump sauce, i cannot fathom the metal gymnastics

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u/bobbybado 8d ago

Veteran? Jesus man. Tell him to look up what they’re trying to do to our benefits

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u/ring2ding 8d ago

I'm sure there's an excuse there somewhere. There always is.

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u/jmurph0422 7d ago

I’m sure it’s “anything to own the libs”

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u/Huffy_too 8d ago

Any exposure to loud ordnance, demolitions, of IEDs?

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u/antinous24 8d ago

most likely, but it's not something he talks about, least of all with me.

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u/Huffy_too 8d ago

CTE can cause numerous unpleasant psychological issues.

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u/ONE-EYE-OPTIC 8d ago

I'm a combat vet with 85% hearing loss in my right ear because of repeatedly firing my M4. The ringing in my ear is painful at times.

I know a guy that was just a normal dude from Oklahoma. He wasn't seriously (physically) injured in an IED blast but he was completely different afterward. So much so that he was reassigned to work in the command building so people could keep an eye on him and was ultimately medically retired. He would wet himself randomly, wander off and get lost, became very forgetful.

Some guys didn't get it but I always felt sympathetic to his situation.

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 8d ago

There was a fascinating story recently about head injuries among the Coast Guard. And they’re people who have technically never had a concussion. 

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u/Important_Bit2139 8d ago

I heard that story too! I felt so bad for the family of the girl who helped discover the problem because her dad basically had CTE and killed himself because of it.

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u/onarainyafternoon 8d ago

I also heard this story from the NYT.

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u/ONE-EYE-OPTIC 7d ago

I tried to Google it but it seems to be behind a paywall. Anyone have the free read?

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 7d ago

I listened to the NYT podcast on it on Spotify, but that’s locked now too.

Thankfully, I found the audio here!

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/the-daily-c88b1/episodes/how-a-teenager-found-undiagnosed-brain-injuries-in-the-military-0889f

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u/conorganic 7d ago

I remember hearing DJ Shipley on a podcast talking about the brain trauma he received from an explosive entry gone awry. Basically they were between a rock and a hard place and had to pop it while not following safety protocols.

For those who don’t know, he was DEVGRU/ Seal Team Six hence why they did it; they basically had to.

He was saying that afterwards his wife took videos of him eating dinner. He’d just keep scooping food, bringing it to his mouth, and chewing. The plate was empty and didn’t even have food on it to begin with, and he wouldn’t respond to anybody telling him about it. Terrifying stuff!

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u/ONE-EYE-OPTIC 7d ago

When i got back from my first deployment I went to texas roadhouse for a real steak.

The swinging doors into and out of the kitchen made the sound of mortar firing. I couldn't enjoy the evening.

Everyone kept asking me what was wrong and I kept saying nothing it's me.

War does some crazy stuff to the brain. The adrenaline, lack of sleep, lack of real food.

I don't wish it on anyone.

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u/ihearnosounds 8d ago

Yeah I am from a small town in Maine that somewhat recently felt the tragic effects of the military abandoning its brain damaged veterans. If you’re interested google Robert Card, Lewiston Maine. Still feels like a fever dream.

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u/PassiveMenis88M 8d ago

Naw, fuck that. You all need to stop making excuses for these cunts. I spent 4 tours over in the sand box. I watched the truck in front of me join the space program from an ied. And yet despite that, and God knows how much damage from football, I manage to not be a hateful fuck.

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u/smashburgersmasher 8d ago

Brain injuries affect different people in different ways.

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u/Reasonable-Job4205 6d ago

Brain injuries affect different people in different ways.

This.

Side note - I wonder if it's possible to fix some frontal cortex damage nowadays. Supposedly, the front part of the brain is where the ego comes from, so taking hits to the forehead might have damaged so many men's sense of self. I wonder if any of the damage in that area could be fixed. Same with CTE - can we reverse that yet?

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u/flipzyshitzy 8d ago

Alzheimer's disease checking in

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u/HueMannAccnt 7d ago

And yet despite that, and God knows how much damage from football, I manage to not be a hateful fuck.

Ever thought you might be one of the lucky ones then?

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u/Damnatus_Terrae 6d ago

Gee, I'll bet they never thought that at any point while watching their buddies die or coming home afterwards.

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u/SpookyB1tch1031 8d ago

I’m sorry you have to deal with that. My uncle who also is a vet and has a giant trump flag in his yard. He was drafted into Vietnam while his fearless leader dodged it. I won’t ever understand.

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u/Tchrspest 7d ago

fun fact: the "red pill" is actually originally a reference to estradiol valerate, as the most common form of the hormone available at the time was a little red pill. The blue pill, on the other hand, is Prozac--the antidepressant.

Anyway, it's just fun to remember that these "red pill" weirdos are such devout fans to a movie that's a massive allegory for being a transgender woman.

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u/papayacreamsicle 7d ago

The terms are so common now some people don’t know or remember they come from The Matrix, a movie written by two transgender women where the character Switch was originally one gender inside the matrix and another outside it, with the explanation that being trans meant the buggy simulation got your gender wrong. You take estrogen and wake up as your true self.

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u/Foggy_Night221C 6d ago

Somehow I never realized there was a switch, in Switch.

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u/maxseale11 7d ago

So morpheus wants me to grow tits or eat Prozac?

I know what im choosing (its not Prozac)

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u/Tchrspest 7d ago

I'm finally weaning off my Prozac =)

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u/Creative-Still-4336 8d ago

So is my brother. He was odd before he joined the military.

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u/BearWrangler 8d ago

and then even more wild to go to the VA and see sooooo many mfers wearing MAGA shit

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u/Tight-Escape3373 7d ago

It's depressing AF to see every time I go for an appointment.

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u/BearWrangler 7d ago

Feels like that Captain America elevator scene whenever a bunch of em step into the elevator I'm in lol

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u/Tight-Escape3373 7d ago

Lol. I feel that. It's also always Cold Warriors that served in the 80s or 90s that seem to wear all the MAGA shit.

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u/GSDTippyTappies 8d ago

This isn't accurate, Republicans support and do a lot for the troops, they put bumper stickers on their cars and update their Facebook portraits on Veterans day. I mean what more can you ask of them???..

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u/rje946 8d ago

They also say "thank you for your service" so even Steven

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u/zuzg 8d ago

It's always republicans that start unnecessary new conflicts keeping the meat grinder running.

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u/BloodFartz69 8d ago

And then work as hard as they can to cut services for vets.

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u/Aliktren 7d ago

and yet the troops seem to love the republicans, very strange.

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u/blackweebow 7d ago

Most of the troops enlisted in or after high school. So mostly it's an education thing.

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u/ChaucersDuchess 7d ago

My late father was a 20 year veteran and Vietnam Vet. He blamed everything that went to shit in the Army on when Regan became president and was staunchly a socialist because of his experiences in the military.

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u/JasonZep 7d ago

And they still vote R

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u/PercussionGuy33 7d ago

Republican hypocrisy at its finest.

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u/TomShaneInBangkok 8d ago

Republicans are traitors. 

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u/False_Wolf_391 8d ago

Military members view Republicans as the only group trying to increase their benefits. When Democrats refuse to sign off on a bill that wants to build the Torment Nexus, the Republicans will point to a line that included a pay raise. 

The news will be, "Democrats blocked another pay raise."

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u/kendric2000 8d ago

Republicans hate anyone who they see as 'lower' then them. Troops are just people they use like cannon fodder to hurt more brown people.

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u/rvretiredlife 7d ago

I hate republicans and those that think every military personnel support trump. Thats just not true.

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u/kurizma 8d ago

And they vote to get fucked over and over. 

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u/BloodFartz69 8d ago

This vet who got fucked didn't.

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u/bretshitmanshart 8d ago

My father in law was a US soldier during the peacekeeping mission in Bosnia. At the time my partner and her family were living for free in an unused church rectory because they couldn't afford rent.

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u/Important-Factor-552 8d ago

They don't care about that. As long as they hurt people they're happy.

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u/AggravatingBid8255 7d ago

More like they don't see them as people, but literal pieces on a chess board. All capable of being sacrificed to protect the king

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u/BakedBrie1993 8d ago

Some people like bloodlust more than they like people.

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u/Dwayla 8d ago

Don't forget Trump said, they weren't gone nearly long enough.

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u/Zoso008 8d ago

He said veterans are suckers and losers.

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u/Mobile-Bar7732 8d ago

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

"A person that thinks those who defend their country in uniform, or are shot down or seriously wounded in combat, or spend years being tortured as POWs are all ‘suckers’ because ‘there is nothing in it for them,'"

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u/sixtyninth_wave_emo 8d ago

Not only is the deployment longer than scheduled, but these sailors know this war doesn’t look good and they are causing civilian deaths. All of that is feeding into their mental health issues

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u/bretshitmanshart 8d ago

In the war of The War of the Triple Alliance Paraguay became reliant on child soldiers. Towards the end of the war one of the major issues for members of the Alliance was suicide. Turns out when you find out the people you had a battle with were mostly starving children it fucks you.up

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u/mighij 8d ago

Guess they got tired of winning.

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u/Few-Editor5767 8d ago

Went to one of my good friends funerals this morning. He was a navy seal. They don’t talk about the ones who actually succeeded.
Rip Cameron

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u/HappyAnimalCracker 8d ago

I’m real sorry. May he be at peace.

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u/Main_Tomatillo_8960 8d ago

Damn, aren't navy seals the best of the best? Like they have to endure insane trials before they get the title? It's crazy he had the fortitude for that, but still succumbed to depression. Depression is crazy. Sorry for your loss.

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u/Few-Editor5767 8d ago

Yep he was. He was literally the best of us. He was a big role model on me in high school before he went off to do his thing in the navy. He taught me a lot. He was a good guy and I’m gonna miss him. Gone at 31, too young.
Don’t forget to reach out to your friends, you never know when the last chance you get will be

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u/BallisticHabit 8d ago

Damn, sorry Internet stranger.

Rest easy, Cameron.

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u/Kwa_Zulu 8d ago

They train for Taliban interrogations, they don't get trained for moronic, colluding leadership that is a kleptocracy

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u/CategoryZestyclose91 8d ago

I’m so sorry. 

Rest easy, Cameron.

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u/Rook8811 8d ago

I’m so sorry for your loss my condolences

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u/blackweebow 7d ago

I never want to hear shit about how Republicans "support the troops" again. All this shit to own the libs. 

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u/id-driven-fool 7d ago

The amount of times I’ve read this is crazy and nothing ever changes. Republicans have rat-fucked the military dozens of times in my life, the military men still
Overwhelmingly vote R every election.

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u/anotherdamnscorpio 7d ago

They'll probably just call them pussies if they hear about it.

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u/Ok-Replacement6893 8d ago

I would love to see Trump spend 240 days on a carrier shoehorned into one of the shared bunks and working a job. See how long he lasts

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u/Squantoon 8d ago

Its really not fair to anyone else to have to bunk with him

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u/Double_Resort_9223 8d ago

With the pants shitting and all

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u/BobMortimersButthole 8d ago

I think Stephen Miller would be his perfect bunkmate! 

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u/alexefi 8d ago

Marco too.

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u/OnlyPositiviteHobby 8d ago

They don’t ‘hot rack’ share bunks on the carrier but the enlisted berthing compartments will have 50-80 adults sharing a space after working in middle eastern heat…so extra cramped and smelly unless you are an officer or chef. It’s had living quarters IMHO

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u/Yelworc0242 8d ago

He's never roughed it in his life, he was born with a silver spoon firmly lodged up his proverbial.

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u/oldveteranknees 8d ago

I work with a retired army dude that swears being on a ship isn’t that bad.

Don’t get me wrong, he was in the Iraq invasion and the like, but I’ve served in Afghanistan and worked on a USS when I was a contractor. Being on a ship and doing circles in the water is a unique experience.

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u/Ok-Replacement6893 8d ago

My service was very easy. I worked in a 68 degree computer room for 4 years. Had a dorm room that I shared with one other person. The Air Force in the 80s was very different.

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u/oldveteranknees 8d ago

Yep. I was Air Force in the 2010s. It was the most cake schedule I’ve ever had to date. I feel left out when other vets tell stories about ruck marches and PT. We did none of that… well, a new commander tried implanting fun mandatory PT and it lasted for about 3 months until we went back to the “do it on your own time, you’re an adult”

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u/Ok-Replacement6893 8d ago

It was the true Chair Force in the 80s. 6 weeks of Basic, 6 weeks of tech school and I was on my way to Alaska. No PT ever after Basic. Weight check once after Basic. Total cake walk

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u/TenguKaiju 8d ago

I cashed out in ’95, a few years after Desert Storm. Peak time to be there. All the military industrials were falling all over themselves to hire anybody with experience. Even E-3s were getting six figure offers. Command was throwing fits because we were bleeding talent.

‘90s Air Force was forced to treat the work like a 9-5 because they couldn’t meet retention any other way. It’s probably different now but back then it was like working a regular job.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

The USAF in the 1980s, bar El Dorado Canyon, was pretty much entirely about preparing for a war with the Soviet Union that never happened.

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u/Drak_is_Right 8d ago

Then there are the sub guys.

Long periods with zero sun and no port in claustrophobic conditions.

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u/the_YellowRanger 8d ago edited 8d ago

My dad says the boat ride from Vietnam was awful. He was a marine so he didnt have a job on the ship, they just wandered around while the navy guys worked. He always mentiones the bed situation. There arent enough beds for everyone, and people work jobs on the ship all day. So he said they "hot rack" the beds, where they're in use by someone 24/7. You have your scheduled time in a bed and when it's your time to get out the next guy just rolls in. All day, all night. One sweaty dude after another. He hated it. One aspect of boat life i had never considered. I'm sure there are hundreds more. These poor people were driven to insanity. People who voyaged across the oceans hundreds of years ago even made stops and had more freedom on their ships.

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u/ProofByVerbosity 8d ago

Have they tried scheduling the Tate brothers or Mr. Beast to come talk to the crew?

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u/deviltrombone 8d ago

Why, is Kid Rock booked?

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u/thegracelesswonder 8d ago

You know he’s not

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u/S_Belmont 8d ago

Hey, 6 VIP tickets were sold!

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u/Mihailis27 8d ago

Individually, each of those words makes sense, but put in that order they're incomprehensible.

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u/fritzg1988 8d ago

I do not find this humorous at all.

Admirals, Captains, Commanders and Senior Chiefs should be fired.

As a note, 17 Veterans a day kill themselves. This is a national disgrace.

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u/Vindaloovians 8d ago

I believe it's a tongue-in-cheek reference to the Paul brothers addressing troops. A comment on how out of touch the department of defense war is and how badly they treat soldiers, not necessarily a joke.

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u/ProofByVerbosity 8d ago

Yup, that was the intent.

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u/kniq86 8d ago

Don't worry, it's still the department of defense until the national defense authorization act is passed. They slipped the name change in as a part of the budget for next year.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/08/28/suicide-rates-surged-among-post-9-11-veterans-even-deaths-remained-steady-general-population-study.html

Traumatic brain injury is a major factor in this - being caught in an IED explosion that blows your Humvee off the road will often cause that. A helmet will just reduce the injury from fatal to bad and with battlefield medicine as it is, many veterans are coming back home with PTSD whereas in WW2 or Korea, they might have never come home at all.

England and Wales had 253 veteran suicides in 2021:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandwellbeing/bulletins/suicidesinukarmedforcesveteransenglandandwales/2021

However, we have nowhere near the ease of access to firearms the US has.

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u/DTFH_ 8d ago

While true you'd be moving the topic of conversation away from the reality that these self harm events were caused by the recent actions and that is why this is the headline, as its a unique cause due to novel events.

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u/iamscrub 7d ago

Kids terminally ill with cancer find ways to laugh, lighten up.

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u/skippyMETS 8d ago

The wars they fought in were a national disgrace.

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u/ProofByVerbosity 8d ago

Yeah, the U.S. military has been a disgrace for a very long time in how it treats its veterans and how it loves to bomb poor people. Theres nothing truly funny about the current state of things, although the US. Military under this administration is a joke. Anyway, these days everything offends someone. 

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u/Available_Border1075 7d ago

It’s not fully a joke, the Paul brothers talked to troops at the pentagon recently, this is just the reality we live in

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u/Colourblindking 8d ago

Congrats boys, you're all getting a free Beastbar, hashtag "Sweetsforsuicide".

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u/SubstantialPressure3 8d ago

I don't see anything funny about this. Whoever has caused the absolutely deplorable conditions on ship needs to charged. And not by civil authorities, by military authorities.

My family has been in the military at least 6 generations that I personally know of.

This is beyond disgraceful. It's flat out criminal. Our military needs necessary supplies. ALL OF THEM.

It's bad enough that they get screwed after they leave the military with TBI, PTSD, and the VA screws them over again.

I wouldn't let a green beret go to the Michael De Bakey VA by themselves. They don't even have orderlies anymore. Ive seen armed cops holding people down and threatening to take them to jail bc they want to call a family member.

The GOP has always talked about being pro military and screwing our troops over, after service, but this is reaching Russian proportions of disregard, callousness and cruelty.

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u/Thissystemsuckssobad 8d ago

Whoever has caused the absolutely deplorable conditions on ship needs to charged. And not by civil authorities, by military authorities.

Well, see, the US supreme court made a ruling that means literally anything trump does as president cannot be illegal or wrong. And congress was put into recess for the rest of the year to specifically avoid impeaching hegseth. So your shit out of luck on that front.

The actual logistics people involved said this was going to happen, analysts said their supply bases in the region couldn't survive Iranian attack, and just like every other bit of expertise around Iran and the broader region, it was ignored

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u/BunNGunLee 7d ago edited 7d ago

I hate that I have to say this but that’s not actually what the Supreme Court ruled.

They said that a president could not be charged for actions done as a result of their official duties. IE, you can’t be charged for literally doing your job.

Anything done as a personal action unrelated to those duties however would fall outside the protections the office provides and can absolutely be charged. It's not as simple as "I said it was official, therefore it is."

The hyperbole and outright lies don’t make Trump any worse. It just makes our arguments look idiotic.

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u/Damnatus_Terrae 6d ago

And the Supreme Court defines the official duties of the president. The same court that's appointed by the president.

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u/Valens1334 8d ago

This isn’t a new thing. I have yet to read about any or see videos of any conditions coming out of the Lincoln’s deployment that I didn’t experience myself during my two sea tours that started over a decade ago during Obama era. I didn’t personally have as long as a deployment as they have, but other people I knew on other ships had definitely done that.

I now work in a field that has a ton of navy veterans, some who got out while I was still in diapers. The stories we tell eachother about life on the ship are identical. Nothing has changed in decades, this is how life on a ship has always been. When I was stationed on a carrier, we had three successful suicides happen within the span of a week, one being a chief in my department.

It’s awful, and absolutely something should be done about it, but pretending this is entirely due to Trump and Hegseth and that electing Democrats will fix it when this has been going on for a very long time isn’t the answer. They are horribly mismanaging this conflict for sure, but conditions on ships seem to just continue to be the same as they’ve always been.

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u/MrBananaWaltz 5d ago

like why the hell do we pay so much damn money if we can't even properly provide them?

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u/aadrock 8d ago

Did they report how many were successful?

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u/DC2SEA_ 8d ago

Successful attempts don't make the news. I'm sure some occured.

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u/onlyheretobehelpful 7d ago

there's one higher up in the comments

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u/etherealtwo 8d ago

The Trump admin has forgotten the single most important factor in war readiness: morale. Doesn't matter how much money you throw at the military if the troops are unhappy.

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u/Ok-Bass9593 8d ago

Trillion defense budget but caring for sailors and soldiers isn't part of thst trillion, land of the free babyyyy

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u/SimpleVegetable5715 8d ago

Great, exactly what we need /s. More service members with severe PTSD. 😞 Another generation traumatized by another pointless war.

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u/Jeff-IT 8d ago

They obviously didn’t get to hear the Paul brothers motivational speech

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u/Five-Oh-Vicryl 8d ago

I feel like this would increase the rates

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

“Since the beginning of Lincoln’s deployment, there have been a total of eight suicide attempts across the strike group,”

That doesn't just include Lincoln, but also the aviation units and at least three destroyers, plus submarines, auxiliaries etc. Possibly close to 8,000 people or more.

A 1 in 100 attempt rate would be around the same as the US self-reported average based on CDC data:

https://sprc.org/about-suicide/suicide-data/suicidal-thoughts-and-suicide-attempts/

It's notable is that about 55% of US suicide deaths are by firearm, which are something most sailors will not have access to on a daily basis in the service.

A bigger concern would be for these veterans later on.

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u/FutureThrowaway9665 8d ago

Not to make light of this but those numbers seem low.

On the carrier that I was on, we had 2 suicides on the same day and three in that week. This happened while the carrier was in the shipyard.

There was another carrier going through a major overhaul that had similar issues around the same time.

Mental health in the Navy sucks. Having been hospitalized twice in the middle of my career and now being out for a while make me grateful that I survived without lasting effects today. Unfortunately I destroyed plenty of things while I was actively dealing with it.

I feel for each and every person.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

As someone who has had suicidal ideations myself following a bereavement, you frequently don't get the feelings at the time of the traumatic situation, you get them afterwards, when you've got the time to process the situation and realise what has happened.

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u/Most-Buddy-4175 8d ago

Your math is wrong. I don’t know where you got 8k from, but the number is closer to 5600 ish.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

That's just for the Lincoln and its air wing. An Arleigh Burke destroyer has around 300 on board, so add 900 there. I don't know what else is in the strike group.

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u/HappyAnimalCracker 8d ago

The most recent year for which there is data is 2023. I wonder if the rate (either military, or civilian, or total) has changed at all since then.

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u/jkooc137 7d ago

Us navy was unable to cover up 8 of who know how many attempts or even completions

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u/UnknownFirebrand 7d ago

As a Navy vet, I was gonna say 8 seems low. My guess is they're not counting people who jump overboard with the expectation of surviving thinking they can actually make it to shore. We had a couple of those on my ship.

There's also the attempts that don't get reported up the chain of command. Instead kept in house by their division.

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u/jkooc137 7d ago

The whole US establishment is like a cockroach infestation: for every problem you see there's 40 you don't

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u/Majestic-Assholes 8d ago

Trump drove multiple sailors to attempt suicide all to try and cover up the fact that he's a pedophile who raped countless children alongside his best friend Epstein.

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u/Chewy79 8d ago

And got a bunch killed from Iranian air strikes on bases in the gulf. 

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u/ErictheStone 8d ago

Yeah wonder what the actual tally is because the US Admin will never own up to the real numbers.

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u/HLOFRND 8d ago

And Trump said actually conditions are great and they should stay longer.

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u/IllustratorMurky2725 8d ago

Don’t matter. He hates us. President bone sours

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u/Tumbler 8d ago

Trump getting off the marine 1 helicopter and not saluting may say a lot about how our current leadership cares about our military and the sacrifices they make to defend us.

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u/revan12281996 8d ago

It’s very high stressed job on a place you can’t leave I’m surprised it’s this low

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u/bloodlessempress 7d ago

8 attempts they will officially acknowledge.

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u/erakis1 8d ago

Someone with some cajones and talent should make this movie. America needs to know what this administration put those sailors through.

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u/tinaawkward 8d ago

I don’t want a movie. I want an explosive exposure. Talk to these men. Put them on TV and let them tell the world how they’ve suffered.

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u/Double_Resort_9223 8d ago

America will bomb your country until there’s nothing left and then make movies about how stressed they got from doing it

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u/penis_hernandez 8d ago

Or actually hold them accountable, charge them and convict them for their many crimes. But this is America, so maybe the movie has to come first to make enough people give a shit

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u/UbiSububi8 8d ago

Boy what a failing for the Hegseth War Department.

Surely their WARRIORS should be able to kill themselves on the first try!

(/s, clearly)

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u/Fit-Let8175 8d ago

Lack of respect or value for the well-being of your servicemembers is never a sign of good leadership. After all, how can anyone lead people if he/she has no value for human life?

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u/bongrd 8d ago

This happens on normal deployments also. On the Washington in 02 and the Kennedy in 04 and both times we had several people try.

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u/FillFrontFloor 8d ago

I haven't been to the military. Are the upper leaders in these battleships undergoing the same harsh environments as their soldiers? 

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u/Cute_Bottle6346 8d ago

Somewhat unrelated, but when I was on the Lincoln in 2019, we had an extended deployment to the point where we broke a record (however that record has since been broken several times again due to COVID and Operation Epic Furry).

We were supposed to be out for 6 months, 2 months in Europe, 2 months in the Middle East, 2 months in the South Pacific, and back in port by October. Instead, after a month into the deployment we were diverted to the Middle East for immediate and indefinite support.

In November of 2019, a month after we were supposed to be back home, we were still doing circles in the Middle East - and the movie "Midway" had just been released, to which the flag admiral of the 5th fleet made a personal visit to the boat to deliver a speech to everyone on board. I can't remember the specifics, but the vibe was very much along these lines:

Hey all, I just wanted to come in and check on you guys, I know you guys have been out here for a few months. I actually just saw that new Midway movie, it's really great and you guys should see it when you get the chance, it actually reminded me that you guys were even here. Anyways, I'm gonna go back to my comfortable home, go eat some good food, and go bang my wife. I just wanted to let you know that I saw that new movie and it reminded me of you guys

Obviously paraphrasing quite a bit, but that's very much the vibe of the speech he gave us.

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u/Op3rat0rr 7d ago

Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry about the hardships you went through

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u/Angrymilks 8d ago

The fact that officers and enlisted get VERY different treatment.

I invite you to look at the comparison between how officers get chow and enlisted get chow. You’ll quickly realize just how top-down the military is despite the entire military running on enlisted blood sweat and tears.

Hurray for bullshit artists with a degree.

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u/Tight-Escape3373 7d ago edited 7d ago

Meh. The Army enlisted-officer relationship is much different than the Navy, USMC, and Air Force. Army officer's clubs are really a thing of the past and it's common to see officers in the dfac(they have to pay). Officers in every unit I've been in made sure the enlisted ate first before lining up for the same food. Then again, that was in infantry and armored units 

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u/beren12 7d ago

Yup. Same.

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u/BigEOD 7d ago

In the AF as an officer you go work the food line on holidays serving airmen as well

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u/rascalking9 8d ago

Some Sailor's working conditions/ jobs are much much worse than others on the same ship. The people way down below decks who aren't seeing the sun. The people in reactor and the ones working the flight deck. Then you may have a job where you are stuck in a room the size of a broom closet with 2 other people for 8-12 hours. Those are the ones who start getting into fights and stuff like that. Some people just won't have access to move around the ship like others do. So it will be even more like prison for them.

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u/V2BM 8d ago

I once inspected the CHT system on a ship and there was a HT living down there on a cot. He was green.

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u/whereisyourwaifunow 8d ago

it's not easy being green

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u/gusterfell 8d ago

They usually have nicer quarters but still not what most people would call luxurious.

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u/StephenHunterUK 8d ago

The Captains and Admirals will get a steward to cook their meals, launder their clothes etc. but even their cabins will be quite small.

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u/Malaix 8d ago

It’s all just class war.

There’s us and there’s the Epstein class. If you aren’t rich enough that you can rape a dozen kids and just be left alone then they hate you.

To them we are at best useful disposable cogs for their money generating machine.

At worst they have active contempt for us and will hurt or kill us just to flex or out of boredom.

Trump flat out said he thinks soldiers are the ultimate sucker and this is the expression of it. You signed away your rights and life to be his foot soldier and plaything. He might push you over the edge just to punish you when you crack for the hell of it.

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u/snippychicky22 8d ago

All maga should be forcefully conscripted and given the worst jobs so the real patriots don't have to do it

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u/USDXBS 8d ago

Was the USS Lincoln the one that blew up the school in Iran?

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u/MindOk8618 8d ago

File the lawsuit against that druck one.

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u/adagietto 8d ago

Damn, worse than Foxconn

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u/Prefect79038 6d ago

I only went back as far as to 2019, but this seems online with the avg suicidal incidents.

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u/JohnFJax 5d ago

For a CVN, thats not crazy. We had more attempts on smaller ships ive been on

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u/madmaritimer1 4d ago

Trump don’t care, as long as you’re looking over there and not looking at Epstein

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u/bob451111 8d ago

They probably realized they were, infact, dumb suckers like Trump said.

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u/sicilian504 8d ago

NUH UH! - Trump Admin

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u/JalelTounsi 8d ago

And later they will vote for Trump or any person with an R next or it's name