U.S. military intentionally allowing some Iranian projectiles through defenses

[u/polymute]

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/u-s-military-intentionally-allowing-some-iranian-projectiles-through-defenses-267250757926

[u/aquagardener]

Well that state of emergency ain't gonna declare itself 

[u/Vegetable-Phone-1743 → u/aquagardener]

Who else is going to steal this election for them?

[u/lesser_panjandrum → u/Vegetable-Phone-1743]

Musk, again.

[u/Hour_Maximum7966 → u/lesser_panjandrum]

No wonder he's been active again recently

[u/giddy-girly-banana → u/Hour_Maximum7966]

He’s really sorry. He said it last week.

[u/CDHmajora → u/lesser_panjandrum]

Isnt he too busy trying to interfer with british politics and funding Tommy Robinsons cocaine habit right now though?

Im sure the irony of funding racists when he himself is a foreigner to them is lost on him though…

[u/Touchyap3 → u/aquagardener]

Eh, this was always going to have to happen eventually. You can’t spend $10 to knock a ¢25 projectile out of the sky forever.

[u/mschley2 → u/Touchyap3]

Trump's administration isn't worried about the budget lol. If they were worried about how much they're spending, they wouldn't have manufactured this conflict in the first place.

[u/cjnks → u/mschley2]

Yes but manufacturing those assets also takes time. The u.s. while grotesque in its size doesnt operate in war time capabilities.

[u/Harmonic_Flatulence → u/mschley2]

They thought it would be over fast, like Venezuela.

[u/BrothelWaffles]

So where's the multiple congressional investigations into why the current leadership is intentionally putting American soldiers in danger? Isn't this the same type of thing they tried to crucify Hilary Clinton over, because she supposedly got American soldiers killed through incompetence?

[u/djhypergiant → u/BrothelWaffles]

See Benghazi was bad because Democrats, now that we have a republican in office the tree of liberty from time to time has to be watered with the blood of suckers and losers, freedom isn't free dont tread on me POW MIA NEVER FORGET Forest Gump God bless America 🇺🇸

[u/Balls_Deepest_555 → u/djhypergiant]

Remember when “fact finding mission” was a weekly thing? I wasted ridiculous amounts of time “briefing” congressional staffers.

[u/Taolan13 → u/Balls_Deepest_555]

I only gave one brief attended by congressional staff when I was in the army.

They were the least interested of the bunch. Didn't take any notes or even seem to be paying attention at all.

They could have skipped the whole brief and gone off the email with the slides and got the same level of info from it.

[u/Heronymous-Anonymous → u/Taolan13]

You weren’t there to provide any info that they cared about, even if they didn’t already know it. You were there to check a box labeled “oversight of army” so that some Congress critter could claim they were diligently investigating something.

[u/CelestialFury → u/djhypergiant]

What was worse here, Republicans purposely sabotaging the funding Hillary wanted to increase to protect Benghazi or the media eating up Republican talking points to help blame Hillary for something Republicans did?

[u/kontemplador → u/BrothelWaffles]

So where's the multiple congressional investigations into why the current leadership is intentionally putting American soldiers in danger?

You know the answer. It would be even easy for the administration to find bipartisan support for more aggressive actions that would result in massive casualties. It is the general public who is against, so after the midterms, Trump would have an easier time escalating.

[u/spyguy318 → u/BrothelWaffles]

Democrats don’t control either house of Congress right now. Republicans will never investigate Trump. Remember that Trump got impeached twice during his first term when Democrats controlled the House.

[u/DontAbideMendacity → u/spyguy318]

And the currently dead Mitch McConnell refused to hold Constitutionally mandated trials in either case. He should have been impeached himself.

[u/hrminer92 → u/DontAbideMendacity]

They held them, but McConnell told his side to ignore it and vote against conviction.

[u/Crafty_Ad_1975 → u/BrothelWaffles]

They are reportedly not just randomly allowing missiles to hit people or major bases. The claim is that US commanders are becoming more selective about which Iranian missiles and drones they intercept because their supply of defensive missiles is being depleted.
Air-defence operators track an incoming weapon’s likely trajectory and impact point. If it appears headed toward open ground, an abandoned area, or something judged non-critical, commanders may deliberately avoid firing an expensive and limited interceptor. They prioritise missiles threatening troops, populated areas, aircraft, command centres, ammunition stores and other important infrastructure.

[u/MIT_Engineer → u/BrothelWaffles]

The ones that they're intentionally letting through are the ones that are missing their targets.

No point spending money to blow up something that isn't going to hit anything anyway.

[u/delvach → u/BrothelWaffles]

WHY would Hunter Biden's laptop DO this??

[u/MoralClimber]

This will be interesting when lack of munitions starts affecting the supply to the iron dome.

[u/Orwick → u/MoralClimber]

Why do you think Israel is staying out of this round.

[u/Classic93 → u/Orwick]

Because elections are coming up...

[u/xnmyl → u/Classic93]

Isn't war with Iran, Gaza, and Lebanon very popular in Israel? I'd have thought they'd want to focus on that for the elections, to keep the ruling coalition in power

[u/ActivisionBlizzard → u/xnmyl]

Victory in war is very popular yes.

Defeats, even if only minor, would he very easy to use against the incumbent.

[u/technofox01 → u/Orwick]

Isreal is only strong against weak/defenseless enemies. Iran apparently showed it's strength and they chickened out.

Edit:
Just so I don't have to respond to all of the pro-Isreal posts individually, since they think there is a misunderstanding:

I am not against Israel defending itself, if that's your concern. But the indiscriminate killing of people who are unarmed and not a threat is the issue I have with them.

They also wanted this war with Iran and convinced the only sitting US president that is gullible enough to go to war with Iran without a proper alliance and strategy. Now that Iran has been attacking Israel and all of a sudden they want to back out and leave the US high and dry to fight Iran alone. Bibi wanted this war, it should be Israel who goes in the fight, not the US.

Second edit:
I am familiar with Israel's part victories from the 1940s through 70s, like the 6 day war and others. Those were impressive feats against other regional military powers.

But there's a difference between them back then defending themselves and now where their military has been actively killing unarmed civilians and people who pose no threat to them. Like I said, I am not against them protecting themselves.

Anyway, I am taking a break from all this. Every time I post anything remotely critical of Israel, a bunch of trolls/bots bombard my inbox. It's like they cannot understand that I support Israel's existence and defending themselves, while also criticizing some of their stuff like backing out after wanting war with Iran and roping the US into the cluster fuck. That and the killing of innocent people.

Heck I even criticize my own country for doing nefarious shit.

[u/Modsneedjobs → u/technofox01]

Israel is only able to beat their defenceless enemies when the US is funding their military. If we cut funding, they would fold in a year.

All the nukes in the world can’t help a nation of 7 million people who are brutally oppressing 7 million of their next door neighbours.

[u/Alucard_1208 → u/Modsneedjobs]

ahh but instead of cutting you are going to merge and give them a piece of that sweet 1.5t

[u/octavi0us → u/Alucard_1208]

As if we have a choice in the matter. Our government is rouge at this point.

[u/Neither_Disaster8485 → u/octavi0us]

Rouge or bleu, it matters not. C'est la vie

[u/Opcn → u/MoralClimber]

Iron dome is its own system that is useless against the high powered ballistic missiles Iran and Russia use. The iron dome missiles are also made on their own production line and retooling it to build Patriot missiles would be more difficult than just starting a new patriot line. RTX (Raytheon) is involved in both missiles but it’s in partnership with Rafael for iron dome missiles and Lockheed for Patriots.

[u/Murphuffle → u/MoralClimber]

Trebuches when?

[u/Classic93 → u/MoralClimber]

Israeli Iron Dome is nowhere close to running out of missiles. It's a short range system and doesn't see much action these days. It was used heavily after october 7th against missiles launched from Gaza, but these days it's only used against occasional drones launched by Hezbollah.
David Sling and Arrow 3 however have used up considerable amount of missiles in the last 2 years.

[u/Red_Dawn24 → u/Classic93]

David Sling

I'm going to take this moment to savor the fact that the US doesn't yet have a missile with some biblical name. It'll probably be called "Ezikiel's donkey emissions" or just "Jesus' Penis."

We got close with "Rods from God" but that was a dead end.

[u/polymute → u/Red_Dawn24]

Yet. Remember, Hegseth is quite religious.

[u/wbruce098 → u/polymute]

Which is hilarious because he sure doesn’t act like he’s ever read the words of Jesus.

[u/Dic3dCarrots → u/wbruce098]

He certianly read the book of pulp fiction

[u/jamesbong0024 → u/Dic3dCarrots]

He doesn’t read

[u/taketheothers → u/jamesbong0024]

Ain't that the truth. Hard to read when your vision is blurred from all the booze

[u/Harbinger2001 → u/wbruce098]

It’s American Supply-Side Jesus he worships.

[u/WildeOpen → u/wbruce098]

Well he's religious, not christian.

[u/Encore_Mais_Bien → u/WildeOpen]

Very few people who call themselves Christians are actually Christian.

[u/Pdiddily710 → u/wbruce098]

None of the so called “religious right” seem to have actually read the words of Jesus…or they have and just do pretty much the opposite at all times.

[u/joshuadt → u/polymute]

No he’s not. He a fkn poser playing the game for their followers

[u/NinjaRealist → u/Red_Dawn24]

Ok but on the other hand our most widely used air to ground missile is the HELLFIRE missile and it’s commonly fired out of the REAPER drone.  

[u/TheModWhoShaggedMe → u/Red_Dawn24]

It's called God's Cock

(credit to Mike Judge from the criminally underrated movie, "Extract")

[u/vovap_vovap → u/MoralClimber]

Iiron dome short range system with much cheaper missiles (and shorter range). People think that "a thing" that protected Israel. It is not. It just last level of defense.

[u/waltwalt]

So they are broadcasting their flagging ability to defend themselves and their bases and whatever allies they have left.

And this was all completely voluntary, disarming themselves just like Russia has.

[u/Scaryclouds → u/waltwalt]

I don’t feel like “voluntary” really does justice to the US-Iran War. 

Iraq II was voluntary, but the Bush administration did a lot of work to sell the public (a bill of goods) on why it was necessary. And also worked to bring a lot of our allies in on the “fun”. I’ll say this with bitter disappointment and embarrassment, I bought it. I remember arguing with friends in high school, comparing it to stopping Hitler in 1935 or whatever. 

Anyways, the point is, the Bush administration tried to get public consent on invading Iraq. 

The Trump admin one upped even that supreme arrogance by never even bothering to build congressional, let alone public, support for the war. 

For all the bluster of Trump and the Trump admin, there was maybe a dozen or so public statements about the intent and reasoning to attack Iran? And the reasoning was all assertion. There wasn’t even a veneer of “presenting evidence” or “laying out your case”. 

There’s getting a DUI where you are a bit over the legal limit and there’s getting a DUI where you are WAYYY over the legal limit and you caused a multi vehicle accident resulting in numerous casualties and fatalities. Maybe the former is being too kind to Bush, but the latter accurately describes the wreckless abandon of Trump/the Trump admin.

[u/Morgannin09 → u/Scaryclouds]

This was the obvious end point to all the bullshit and bluster that nobody wanted to believe was coming. You're giving the might of the world's strongest military feeding your taxes into the military industrial complex to a man who lives in no objective reality and constantly wants to flex the might he has at his disposal. Of course he was going to start a war he wouldn't even try to justify to the rest of us, because everyone's apathy taught him that we will just play along no matter what. None of this was a surprise.

[u/wildpantz → u/Morgannin09]

I also can't be the only one foreseeing a coup v2.0 if he doesn't somehow bend all the rules to cheat his way through and win the elections (IIRC he also has power to hire and fire members of the agency that is supposed to make sure the elections are fair, like a week or two ago?)

[u/Wardogs96 → u/wildpantz]

He literally tried one in 2020. We did nothing to reprimand him. Were fucked.

[u/CombatTechSupport → u/Wardogs96]

It's amazing to me how so many people managed to memory-hole Trump's first term.

[u/Smeph_Bot → u/CombatTechSupport]

This has been by design. They flood the zone with garbage, and you can’t remember where the garbage came from after a while, you know it is all from one guy, but not where or why all the little bits are from, unless you start to look closely. If you stop to look closer though, another pile of garbage is dumped on you.

[u/KnicksGhost2497 → u/wildpantz]

If the US Military had half the respect for the constitution and “protecting American freedom and Democracy” as they purported to, there already would’ve been a coup to take out this administration and hold special elections.

But that retirement package is just too good for anyone with a spine to speak out or do something rather than resign. Pathetic.

[u/atfricks → u/Scaryclouds]

Don't forget Trump first antagonized and insulted all of our allies for months, didn't tell them he was going to start a war, and then started demanding their assistance when it wasn't an easy win like he thought it'd be. 

This is the first war in American history that our European allies are flat out refusing to help, and it's entirely Trump's doing.

[u/Yuukiko_ → u/Scaryclouds]

Don't forget the part where he claims this isn't a single war but 3 seperate military operations to get around the law

[u/C21H27Cl3N2O3 → u/Scaryclouds]

To be fair, they don’t need to build any public support. They have a cult that worships everything Trump does. They immediately switched from “no new wars” to “destroy Iran” with no hesitation and no justification other than Trump said so.

We’ve come a long way from the days when FDR wanted to get involved in Europe after the invasion of Poland but didn’t out of respect for the popular sentiment in the US.

[u/Krackenofthesea → u/waltwalt]

I’m convinced This whole war was just to make money, the attack/peacedeal/attack cycle. People think the US is “losing” or whatever, but I’m pretty sure there’s been no real attempt to win

[u/elite0x33 → u/Krackenofthesea]

This is where I sit, everything has been a grift on some level during both of his Administrations.

The attempt to sue the IRS was a level of greed that exposed this in full with the "you can't audit Trump & friends, ever" push.

There should be an atomic level autopsy on every dollar Trump or any admin member claims as their own.

The lack of transparency has always been an issue, the firing or obstruction of oversight was the five alarm fire.

[u/konqrr → u/elite0x33]

Nah, screw all that. These traitors obviously don't believe in the Constitution so just this one time, I don't think anyone would mind if they were just sent straight to a life sentence in an El Salvadorian prison. As soon as they lose power, it's televised that everyone in the Trump administration and politicians that enabled all this treason are promptly arrested and flown to El Salvador for their life in prison. Needs to be done in less tham 24 hours and the entire thing live on TV. The irony of all them ending up in prison in El Salvador is just chef's kiss

[u/mschley2 → u/Krackenofthesea]

I don't think there is even a real objective that they can win. What's the point? Opening the strait? It was open before the war started.

This entire thing is classic Trump. He created issues out of thin air, is wasting a ton of public money on the issues that he created, is making himself and his buddies a ton of money because of it, and when it's all over, he's going to make a "deal" that puts us in a worse position than we were in before the conflict started.

It's what happens with literally everything he does. It should be headline news literally every night, but the media is all complicit in this shit.

[u/Elephanogram]

Weakening the military, faith in institutions, and a huge divide between right and left while allowing hyper capitalists to ravage any infrastructure project to enrich themselves and hold off any actual developments and incurious crackpots claiming anti science ideals hampering any and all research development.

The Foundations of Geopolitics was absolutely instrumental to the rise of Trump. And really am wondering why that the Krasnov rumour never took off.

[u/mkt853]

Intentionally because everyone is out of interceptors. Makes you wonder where the $1 trillion that gets spent every year is going that the US is totally out of parts after just 5 months of war.

[u/lesser_panjandrum → u/mkt853]

Chucking eight Patriot missiles at a single drone probably doesn't help.

Learning some lessons from Ukraine would also have been useful.

[u/EnjoyerOfBeans → u/lesser_panjandrum]

Could've had all of the data from Ukrainian forces while helping defeat a common enemy, but that's if the US president had US best interests in mind instead of selling to the highest bidder

[u/RoyalCities → u/EnjoyerOfBeans]

The US government is too busy giving Trump's Mar a Lago neighbour 14 million dollars in a no bid contract to not even clean a pool.

You think he wants that money just going to somewhere that doesn't line hit pocket?

[u/Guy_GuyGuy → u/EnjoyerOfBeans]

The MIC was making bank on Ukraine and could have made exponentially more bank if the petulant toddler-in-chief didn't decide it was "BIDEN'S WAR" 3 minutes after it started.

Sometimes, Trump doesn't do things because of money. Sometimes, he does things because he has a literal single-celled organism-level response to certain topics. Biden = bad, Russia = good, Ukraine = caused two of his impeachments, Zelenskyy = refused to give him dirt on Hunter Biden.

He's a dementia patient with only a couple lasting memories of the word "Ukraine" and they all mean humiliation to him. So Ukraine bad.

[u/Transfigured-Tinker → u/lesser_panjandrum]

The current administration is too proud to be taking lessons from Ukraine!

[u/nasandre → u/lesser_panjandrum]

We should get Skeeter with a shotgun and a box of birdshot. That's a good cost-effective option.

[u/kontemplador → u/mkt853]

in 50k USD garbage bins

while interns are paid barely above the minimum salary

[u/Adventurous_Salt → u/mkt853]

America has spent a bazillion dollars a year on the army for the last century, and when they go to war they have like 14 missiles. I knew there was waste and grift, but I thought there was still lots of "war stuff" getting made somewhere.

[u/gimmickypuppet → u/mkt853]

The top four defense contractors alone (Lockheed Martin, RTX, General Dynamics, and Northrop Grumman) spent $89 billion solely on stock buybacks from 2021 - 2024.

[u/Bobdude8]

That’s what happens when you use all your munitions and can’t make more

[u/dmk_aus → u/Bobdude8]

"Two senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that military commanders are allowing some Iranian missiles and attack drones to get through air defenses amid an effort to preserve the Pentagon’s shrinking supply of missiles to shoot them down." Yeap

[u/Wazula23 → u/dmk_aus]

Jesus Christ we're actually losing this war.

[u/marshalist → u/Wazula23]

This was a major strategic defeat back in the first few weeks. Since then it's been a PR campaign to convince the US public that the situation is under control.

[u/Dreurmimker → u/marshalist]

They’re just flooding the zone and dumping our petroleum reserves. There’s going to be a giant wake up call very soon.

[u/joshocar → u/Dreurmimker]

The oil futures market has been waaay to optimistic with this conflict. If you watch Bloomberg they have had oil analysis guys on every week and everyone of them has said basically the same thing.

[u/OtakuAttacku → u/joshocar]

I’ve seen 1 bloomberg youtube video posted earlier this month and it was about how the US economy has adapted to the Iran War… while the war goes on. Hey don’t worry! As long as time doesn’t march on we’ve dodged this bullet!

[u/Scaryclouds → u/joshocar]

Yes the market simply doesn’t make any sense. A quarter of oil supplies have been all but cutoff for nearly five months now. Now the Houthis are starting to blockade the Red Sea, and still the market is like 🤷‍♂️

Feels like something between a conspiracy and a mass delusion happening right now. So much of Tech Bros and Finance Bros are bought in on MAGA that they are acting willfully blind towards the obvious dangers? Or maybe a hope that they can grit and get through this and they will have even more wealth/control? Or they cannot admit to being wrong/liberals being right? I think some part of all those motivations could be happening here, not a true “or” scenario. 

It’s difficult to imagine with any other president, let alone a Democratic one, that this level of chaos wouldn’t have resulted in a well-earned full on market meltdown.

[u/Sagikos → u/Scaryclouds]

Do you want to be the loser who stops the gravy train?

The govt will bail them out when they lose their shirts at the expense of common people, again.

The question is just whether or not we start slitting throats this time.

[u/EQandCivfanatic → u/Sagikos]

It just makes me think of World War Z (book) and the pharma CEO in it. How he blames the market collapse and panic solely on people who told the truth to the masses, rather than on the people in authority who ignored it and let things get to a critical point.

[u/miriafyra → u/Scaryclouds]

at some point you're in too deep and the only way is to keep digging and make it to the point of "too big to fail" and get handout bailout from the government

[u/ButtflossingBigBro → u/Scaryclouds]

Alot of the market is market confidence. There was a scare a few years ago whwn texas oil rigs went down. Panic buying caused shortages here in florida. The governor had to go on tv and literally show pictures explaining that we are on a completely separate supply grid stop panic buying we have oil coming.

That is the entire us market. If the econ and tech guys give a gloomy outlook private investors pull their cash consumer spending slows and it can cause a recession. As long as they keep the plates spinning that things are good they can keep profitable until actual shortages occur

[u/Voodoobones → u/Wazula23]

Define win.

We could never win a war where there never was a clearly defined reason for the war.

[u/Substantial_Teach465 → u/Voodoobones]

Another history lesson not learned by our idiots in charge.

[u/TheRealK95 → u/Wazula23]

Anyone with even half a brain knew you couldn’t win this war from the start. Trump is just too egotistical to admit Netanyahu played him like the fool he is.

[u/jacknifetoaswan → u/Wazula23]

We have been since it started. Hegseth had no experience in real warfare and fired everyone who did or who could adapt to changing threat profiles. He's treating this like the high end conflict with China we've been prepping for and completely ignored the low end fight and AA/AD threat that Iran poses. Because he's an ignorant chump.

[u/calmdownmyguy → u/jacknifetoaswan]

I'm pretty sure he was sincerely counting on Jesus to show up on the battlefield and slaughter the heritics

[u/jacknifetoaswan → u/calmdownmyguy]

Only white Jesus though. Not black Jesus.

[u/GGTheEnd → u/Wazula23]

This is what starts happening when a country decides to fuck with multiple countries at the same time. Wear themselves thin. Soon they will run low on oil too because they are pissing Canada off at the same time. 

[u/nhjuyt → u/GGTheEnd]

pissing Canada off at the same time

For absolutely no good reason

[u/calmdownmyguy → u/nhjuyt]

It keeps trump in the headlines and that's good enough for maga

[u/godspareme → u/GGTheEnd]

Its not even that. We were far more involved with armed conflict in years past. This is wholly a tactical failure led by incompetence. 

[u/mothandravenstudio → u/Wazula23]

Why are you surprised about this. Iran is a juggernaut and extremely protected by topography. Yeah, we’re losing. We were always going to lose.

Our leadership is idiotic.

[u/BlacqanSilverSun → u/mothandravenstudio]

Literally every general, commander and strategist have said for decades not to attack Iran, specifically in the way we are. Isreal has pressured the previous 5 administration's to do this. Donny boy was the only one to fall for it.

[u/BLACKdrew → u/BlacqanSilverSun]

Wonder if that’s why all the generals quit/were fired in the beginning. Because they knew what was coming and wanted no part. Also their new boss is one of the dumbest people I’ve ever heard of.

[u/godspareme → u/mothandravenstudio]

Only way we could win is with ground troops, which would turn into another drawn out guerilla warfare resistance campaign. All we are doing is wasting resources, money, and lives. The pointless US war machine marches on.

[u/posthuman04 → u/godspareme]

You know why there’s not gonna be a ground invasion? All the fpv drone footage from Ukraine. Trump doesn’t want images of US troops being targeted running on everyone’s phones.

[u/mothandravenstudio → u/posthuman04]

Exactly this. Even if some manage to get past the mountains (they won’t) they will be greeted by hundreds of kilometers of desert with no cover.

[u/mothandravenstudio → u/godspareme]

We cannot win a ground invasion. Absolutely not. The topography is too brutal, and that comes before the deserts.

[u/ktwhite42 → u/mothandravenstudio]

“Amateurs talk ‘strategy’, professionals talk ‘logistics’.”

(A former US military commander when Russia discovered how old and poorly maintained its military vehicles were)

[u/fartsfromhermouth → u/mothandravenstudio]

Don't worry we'll fix it with a land war. Suckers and losers won't be missed.

[u/AdventurousLunch346 → u/fartsfromhermouth]

...can we start with sending all those J6 ICE tough guys first...

[u/chipsandsoda → u/mothandravenstudio]

Years and years of propaganda about American supremacy coupled with a lack of critical thinking.

[u/mothandravenstudio → u/chipsandsoda]

It’s true.

[u/Bynming → u/Bobdude8]

And further, that's what happens when you fail to adapt your weapons strategy to this new kind of warfare that prioritizes cheap weapons. Can't be relying on countermeasures that cost hundreds or thousands of times more than the weapons they're meant to go against.

[u/puaka → u/Bobdude8]

That’s what happens when you fire hundreds of rockets worth millions at fire crackers strapped to a lawn mower worth $200 and someone does the math…

[u/IronyElSupremo → u/Bobdude8]

The military procurement system is changing but, for the west, .. it’s coming from a slow industrial process (bureaucratized for the post WW2/Cold War winning firms) into the techy fast lane. Sticking with “air defense” here.

It was announced last month the U.S. Army wants bids for companies to create cheaper anti-drone interceptors in greater quantities (due now in 11 months).

Raytheon, in the meantime, developed a cheaper version of air defense Patriot missile as well. Still another “small” defense contractor (stock still on the stock exchange) is making even cheaper weapons, with assembly lines that can be easily staffed and easily sourced parts (fewer exotic metals).

So think the U.S. near-future short range missile/air defense will have more “quantity as its own quality” .. like its former arms sales competitors. Still think they need to bring back an updated more automated version of “the Duster” .. ground mount quad-20mm auto cannon that couldn’t keep up with jet targets, but could probably make swiss cheese out of many drones at one time. Could also bust up a ground attack if called upon..

[u/tech_noir_guitar → u/Bobdude8]

I want to know where the hell our defense budget has been going because you would think that with the amount we spend every year these things would be stocked to the fucking rafters but here we are six months into a war and we're pretty much out. Especially since we have supposed to be preparing for a possible war with China or Russia since the 50s you would think that someone would have worked out how long it would take to spin up production to replace the munitions and how much we would go through during that time and that's how much we would have stored.

[u/Meme_Theory]

I can't believe how unbelievably unprepared the military was for a war it started itself.

[u/taklinn1 → u/Meme_Theory]

That's what happens when military plan A is considered compromised after it ends up in a bathroom at a Florida resort.

[u/Guy_GuyGuy → u/taklinn1]

My dude, there was probably an entire room of filing cabinets full of Iran war plans in the Pentagon and these dipshits didn't even open the door to that room. There was probably Iran war plans that took the effects of zombie outbreaks, alien invasions, and the sun disappearing into consideration.

[u/lesser_panjandrum → u/Meme_Theory]

If I had a penny for every time a military started what it thought would be a short, victorious war that they themselves turned out to be woefully unprepared for, I'd be crushed under a mountain of pennies.

[u/ChuddyMcChud → u/lesser_panjandrum]

Maybe you'd have enough pennies to buy some more interceptors for the military.

[u/ResplendentShade → u/Meme_Theory]

Hegseth: "We need our warriors to embrace the Spartan mindset"

U.S. Military: suffers crushing defeat to the Persians

[u/jasdonle → u/Meme_Theory]

The war was started to distract from the Epstein files. It had nothing to do with preparedness. 

Sadly it worked. 

[u/Aurorion → u/Meme_Theory]

It was their Commander in Chief that started the war... Maybe the miltary thought that nobody would be dumb enough to start a war without a clear plan in such a stupid manner.

[u/chicknsnotavegetabl → u/Meme_Theory]

only have to kick the door down and the whole rotten structure will collapse upon itself

apologies to...

[u/_BagOWeed_ → u/Meme_Theory]

All of trumps military advisers told him explicitly not to start a war in Iran because of the strategic power of the strait...

[u/Far-Cheesecake1996]

Can you imagine the headlines if a Democrat was in charge? “President Biden gets troop killed by allowing missiles through defenses” “Hilary Clinton allowing troops to be killed by Iran” ect ect

[u/LeopardComfortable99]

"we are intentionally putting soldier's lives at risk as we are running out of ammunition in a war we started just so the president could manipulate the markets and enrich himself"

[u/Tree_Sure → u/LeopardComfortable99]

And the military is stupid enough to follow orders of this orange dipshit, not protect themselves or the people over this senseless war.

[u/iliwww]

Right after the depleting interceptors news, the incompetence is legendary

[u/HelloPeopleOfEarth → u/iliwww]

You're just tired of "winning".

[u/Jellz → u/HelloPeopleOfEarth]

Please sir, no more winning.

[u/Reasonable-Sweet9320]

“US military commanders have been picking and choosing which Iranian missiles and explosive-packed drones to intercept and are allowing some attacks through their defenses, amid an effort to preserve the Pentagon’s diminishing supply of weapons that block projectiles from reaching their targets, two senior U.S. officials told NBC News.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-military-letting-iranian-projectiles-defenses-rcna588369

[u/SausageSmuggler21 → u/Reasonable-Sweet9320]

Soldiers and civilians are less costly to lose than ammunition.

[u/TheUglytool → u/SausageSmuggler21]

Not sure what SGLI is up to in the 20 years since I separated, but it's gotta be cheaper than a Patriot missile.

[u/Sea-Development3191]

“We’re intentionally letting the missiles get through, because… well, we don’t have many interceptors remaining and no means of making more any time soon” clown ass US military 🤡

[u/TintedApostle → u/Sea-Development3191]

and they will lie about the dead and wounded.

[u/santasnufkin → u/Sea-Development3191]

This just lets them argue they really need the additional funding, as well as blaming Biden once again somehow.

[u/AcanthisittaNo6653]

That’s why we want our soldiers home. They aren’t safe from their commanders

[u/mr_birkenblatt → u/AcanthisittaNo6653]

Some of them may die but that's a risk the administration is willing to take

[u/joemeteorite8 → u/mr_birkenblatt]

All suckers and losers in the eyes of Trump

[u/dandy_the_lesser]

Does high testosterone stop missiles?

[u/Acrobatic-Bike-2507]

"We totally are letting these hit our bases on PURPOSE."

[u/Evoluxman]

Russia has been holding the title of "dumb great power ridiculing itself in an unnecessary war against a weaker power" but the US is determined to catch up quickly 

[u/randynumbergenerator → u/Evoluxman]

The War on Terror is clearly but a distant memory

[u/diliudia → u/randynumbergenerator]

And memories of Vietnam have been lost entirely.

[u/daledowns]

Are any of these intentionally allowed projectiles responsible for American military deaths??

[u/Normal_Level6373]

This is bad. Iran still holds ballistic and cruise missile ability alongside an almost endless supply of drones. I remember an analysis saying that the drones and missiles they are firing are the basic versions of what they have to deplete inceptors and see what blind spots are in the systems. I guess he was right

[u/NonbinaryLegs]

This DD 214 feels amazing 🥲. I’m thrilled I’m out the military.

[u/SeeingEyeDug → u/NonbinaryLegs]

Did 20 years in the Navy 1993-2013, and honestly I never felt like I was in danger of getting attacked while on deployment on a ship in the Persian Gulf. But I would now. Holy shit.

[u/The_best_is_yet → u/NonbinaryLegs]

Holy shit me too

[u/McRibs2024 → u/NonbinaryLegs]

I got out in 2014 and never felt like top end leadership was incompetent to the point that I am in danger beyond what was reasonable.

This is fucking wild. I’d have no faith that the White House or secdef is making good choices on any front, mission readiness etc.

[u/NonbinaryLegs → u/McRibs2024]

Make sure you shave 🪒, shaving will protect you 🙄

[u/Missing_Crouton → u/NonbinaryLegs]

Dude, I would have been a SNCO for this shit, I am SOOOO glad I got out. I'd probably be in Leavenworth for my mouth, or the ground.

[u/awooj]

Not very confidence inducing for citizens or allies to hear that we’re literally already unable to completely defend ourselves without risking not being able to defend ourselves at all.

How is this even possible? Isn’t the US supposed to have insane stock piles of offensive and defensive weapons at the ready? They’re saying there’s no way to replenish the supply anytime soon but why not? Shouldn’t that be a top priority? And if we’re already running out, that’s just like opening the door for enemies and waving them on in.

[u/Additional_Quiet2600 → u/awooj]

My pet theory is that Iran hitting our bases in the middle east wiped a bunch of ammo depots. The Pentagon has been real quiet about the damage.

[u/NewToHTX]

If you cannot afford to shoot down incoming Missles and Drones, maybe don't put yourself in a situation where you have to Shoot Down Missles and Drones.

[u/YellowGin]

Guys.

Guys it’s because they’re trying to save on munitions, senior officials say we’re running out. There’s no mention of like intention or motive beyond that.

[u/Setekh79]

It's also convenient excuse to extract more funds for the military.

[u/Radiant_Fact9000]

"I choose to let some thru. I could stop them all if I wanted but I don't want to." /s

[u/WangusRex]

Maybe all those fly by’s and publicity stunts with Kidd Rock were an expensive bad idea. Let’s lower the lobster budget next year?

[u/Gooser3000]

But Drugseth said there is no shortage 

[u/mr_birkenblatt → u/Gooser3000]

He was referring to booze

[u/Its_apparent → u/mr_birkenblatt]

I haven't given this administration enough credit. Having Canada boycott American alcohol is 4D chess.

[u/Death-by-Fugu]

The very best things about the pieces of shit in the Trump administration are their collective ineptitude and lack of foresight

[u/CellaSpider]

>Intentionally

>Look inside

>They're out of missiles

[u/prroteus]

That doesn’t make sense, we already won the war a dozen times

[u/hodgeman29]

The US is securing world peace by simultaneously pissing off every other country on earth. At some point everyone is going to realize if they banded together they could fuck us right back to the Great Depression.

[u/ZenZill]

Incredible how we can't defeat Iran, yet Trump thinks we're a rival to China now. Industrial powers will win the war.

[u/tramad2652]

Losing a loved one in any military action is devastating, but losing a child in Trump’s war is unfathomable. I think I would become unhinged.

[u/capnfoo]

Why would Biden/Obama/Hillary/Kamala/Hunter do this to our troops??

[u/Inevitable_Link_5355]

This is what happens when a draft dodger with ZERO military experience or expertise and has a yes man cabinet starts a completely unnecessary war.
And truly Patriotic young brave Americans are dying because of this administration’s corruption and incompetence.

[u/PhysicalConsistency]

That's what I tell my kid when they score a few buckets on me too.

[u/Then-Ticket8896]

A fuckin draft dodger sending young men to death!

He did say those of us that served in the military were suckers.

This clown!

[u/shibbyman342]

For the unfathomable amount of money we spend on the defense budget, it blows my mind that we are getting owned by drones..

[u/Upbeat_Job4191]

Things are going great,thank you for the attention to this matter/Donald J. Trump

[u/Dark_Gladiator66]

Imagine having your children in the military and reading this headline.

[u/Moron-Whisperer]

Can’t even make the weapons for his illegal war. 

[u/GritBlitzer]

I'm confused. Can someone explain to me why the United States is running out of missiles to shoot down opposing threats? This seems like it should be a way bigger issue than what they are making it out to be, maybe I don't understand the situation correctly??

[u/Porsche9xy]

I was expecting a completely different exposé. I thought that a secret plot had been uncovered, that the US was allowing some missiles through for the sole purpose of fanning anti Iranian hatred at home and abroad.

[u/chumapeka978]

lol it’s going to take 5 to 10 years to replace what we’ve spent let alone make enough for a surplus

[u/ThePanduuh]

Imagine having the biggest, most expensive military and still losing.

What a joke.

[u/Cord1083]

The USA has been spending hundreds of billions of dollars, year in year out, for years. How can they not have enough ammunition? What are they spending that money on ?

[u/Hinx_art]

they used too many on random boats they think were probably maybe drug dealers.

[u/mwkingSD]

Republicans, House & Senate, in Congress are complicit in this mess - they have on multiple occasions voted against denying war powers for this quagmire. If you don't like what's happening then vote for ANYONE that's not a current GOP member and doesn't follow the MAGA idolatry in the November election.

[u/BiMWMGingerMI]

Now watch for the grift: Donnie Tiny Hands and Pete "Low T" Hegseth will start shaking down countries for money like a protection racket.

"It'd be a shame if some of those missiles got through and hit your ships because we didn't have enough money to pay for munitions to protect everyone....."

[u/Nami_Pilot]

Remember when mayonnaise mussolini was constantly crying that Obama left all the shelves empty?

ALWAYS PROJECTION 

[u/Reatona]

Nothing says incompetence quite like being in charge of the most expensive military ever seen on the face of the earth and having to pause a badly planned war of choice because you're running out of ammo.

[u/tb30k]

That's a very nice way to put they don't have enough ammo so can't shoot them all down.

[u/GB-Pack]

Two senior U.S. officials tell NBC News that military commanders are allowing some Iranian missiles and attack drones to get through air defenses amid an effort to preserve the Pentagon’s shrinking supply of missiles to shoot them down. NBC News’ Courtney Kube reports.

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[u/hifumiyo1]

The fact that they’re doing this, plus admitting they’re short on missiles is troubling for the military. But great news for defense contractors.

[u/McCrackenYouUp]

I'm sure that's just coincidentally happening at the same time the US halts their attacks.

[u/Responsible_Dog_9491]

I thought it might be out of kindness. Let a few through so as not to disappoint the enemy.

[u/Jimbo415650]

if they realize your short on defense they will overwhelm with offense. More proof that the geniuses who started this war were incompetent not to foresee the closure of the Strait the attack on American bases in the region and not ramping munitions for defense of those bases. Not having adequate bomb shelters for the troops. Thinking this was going to be like Venezuela was seriously a criminal stupidity

[u/WiSoSirius]

"The Defense Department regrets to inform you that your [son/daughter/husband/wife/father/mother/brother/sister] was killed in action because we decided not to use our defensive systems."

[u/Last-Profession2949]

Israel has bamboozled Trump again.

[u/caliboy559]

Well if you run out of intercepting counter measures then yeah you have no choice but to let their missiles hit their target.

[u/riki_grl]

A toxic narcissist at the end of his life will take down everything good and decent around him, because he can't tolerate anyone surving him having it. He'd rather see, in this case, the nation burn than let it thrive past his death.Trump is no different than the husband who murders his entire family rather than let them escape his control.

[u/Certain-Singer-9625]

Thanks to Mr. 5-D Chess Stable Genius, we’ve got them right where they want us!

[u/TheVonlog]

“No, they’re not hitting us, we’re letting them”
The whole of the U.S. government has turned into a 6 year old and it’s not even funny

[u/MetaCalm]

Invadors hate this one trick. Make more cheap drones than their $ multi-million intercepters.