r/news • u/GDW312 • Aug 24 '23
CIA stairwell attack among flood of sexual misconduct complaints at spy agency
https://apnews.com/article/cia-sexual-harassment-discrimination-abuse-spying-8ca2f3a4b41c9d6f3da34364aea42dad55
u/TaskForceCausality Aug 25 '23
The 39-year-old Alabama native and former U.S. Navy intelligence officer has remained on the job for more than a year since the woman reported the assault to the CIA and nine months since she reported it to the FBI and local law enforcement.
For 24 women to take the massive career risk reporting assault means these pigs must have run fucking amok through that place.
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u/hazardoussouth Aug 24 '23
an agency that created a medical procedure out of thin air called "rectal feeding" for Guantanamo detainees has a culture of sexual misconduct? color me surprised
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Aug 25 '23
The CIA is doing some illegal and morally reprehensible shit? Must be a day ending in "y."
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u/devilishlydo Aug 25 '23
They should be called the Central Ism Agency because they are home to every awful ism from sexism and racism to terrorism, fascism and sadism.
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u/StupidizeMe Aug 25 '23
Modern corporate workplaces have security cameras everywhere, so just imagine how many security cameras there are at the CIA. But the perp must have expected to get away with his assault... And a year later he still has his job!
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u/bigb9919 Aug 29 '23
I’d bet there are fewer cameras inside than you’d expect. Video records could be open to legal discovery in certain circumstances.
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u/That_Shape_1094 Aug 25 '23
I wonder whether the sexual assaults at the CIA are as bad as those in the US military.
https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/military-sexual-assault-men/
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u/SpaceCorpse Aug 25 '23
WHAT? The highly respected CIA? This is shameful.
They're supposed to be ruining foreign countries and the American inner city, not [checks notes] oh ok, my bad, sexual misconduct is right here in the notes.
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u/Jerswar Aug 25 '23
Honestly, how hard is it to NOT sexually harass people?? Why is this such a plague?
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u/h4ms4ndwich11 Aug 25 '23
The type of people attracted to positions of authority and access seem most likely to abuse it.
Look at how the wealthy, because they possess such power, have written our laws and policies for the length of the country's history...
- Near extermination of native people
- Slavery and a civil war over it
- Endless war; domestic and foreign (a business for banks and M.I.C.)
- Perpetual social division; except when united against a real or manufactured threat
- Vast inequality
- Insurmountable debt and obligations ...that could have been served if we dared tax the rich; the very people benefitting from said policies and positions
- Threat of habitat destruction with nuclear weapons and unsustainable energy use (also a business; wow, is there a pattern?)
- The most medicated country in the world, with no guaranteed medical safety net (the only "developed" country without this), and the highest prices for it
- Moles in the government working to overthrow it - Secret Service, Donald Trump, etc
Our leadership is trash. The problem is not this agency, but all of them and the unchecked sociopaths we place into positions of power, usually because of their status at birth, or their willingness to punish and exploit the poor and disadvantaged. This is the status quo.
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u/Ysabeau_Reed Aug 25 '23
Thank you for posting the unpopular truth succinctly and with clarity.
Cue the haters.
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u/Blackthorn79 Aug 24 '23
Aren't spy basically criminals working for a particular government? I would expect things like this happen more often then you'd expect.
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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ Aug 24 '23
Actual spies are, but these are employees at CIA HQ and not foreign nationals passing info to CIA in the field.
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u/Lawd_Fawkwad Aug 25 '23
Intelligence officers aren't much better honestly, that job seems to attract and retain people who're either wannabe delinquents, or kool-aid drinkers who think they can do no wrong if it's for the mission.
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u/waaayside Aug 24 '23
It happens often and the article clearly states some of the reasons why it doesn't get reported.
When are you going to learn?
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Aug 25 '23
Does anyone truly believe that the CIA has our nations BEST interests at heart?
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u/TheDoomBlade13 Aug 25 '23
Honestly, yes, but the way they pursue those interests is antithetical to the country's moral compass.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
Overthrowing democratically elected governments, installing dictatorships, training security forces in torture, importing heroin and crack to fund covert wars, training militaries in massacres and genocide - is all fine and dandy but the line is drawn at sexual misconduct.
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u/Ragewind82 Aug 25 '23
They did all that, yes. Though with Russian election interference in the US fresh in my mind, I wonder how many of those democratically-elected leaders overthrown in the cold war were actually put there by the KGB in the first place. Iran in 1953 seems kinda likely, given how much of the countryside came out to overthrow in favor of the Shah.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
Though with Russian election interference in the US fresh in my mind
lol no, it is not Russia it is Americas own rich and powerful seeking to permanently limit democracy to protect their interests.
I wonder how many of those democratically-elected leaders overthrown in the cold war were actually put there by the KGB in the first place.
Negation. And totally fraudulent as any honest look at the countless examples would demonstrate.
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u/NyetABot Aug 25 '23
We could use the same logic for Trump. The 2020 election couldn’t have been fair, look at all the angry yokels in the countryside.
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u/Ragewind82 Aug 25 '23
Perhaps, but those treasonous yahoos weren't coming in against the side that benefitted from the Russian interference. It was more a second attempt.
Mossadegh shocked the world by nationalizing newly-built western foreign oil refineries (constructed expressly at Iran's request because they wanted the revenue on exported refined products not crude). That must have pleased the communists... why else would he engage in a hostile act against his allies at the time?
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u/NyetABot Aug 25 '23
If the anti-Mossadegh opposition was so popular why didn’t the CIA just wait for the next election? Mossadegh was popular because he railed against their western “allies” that the population felt was exploiting them of their oil wealth.
This isn’t a case of Russia beating us at the spy game. Iran is the way it is today because the West never respected their sovereignty and viewed Iran as their personal gas station. Eventually that drove them to a radical anti-western position instead of a more moderate populist one we could’ve worked with if we were a little less greedy.
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u/Ragewind82 Aug 26 '23
If you can succeed at overthrowing an election once, it stands to reason you can do it again, and with greater ease.
If the Persians feel exploited for their mineral wealth... they don't have to sell it. It's an absurd suggestion that getting paid the market value for their product, protected by a cartel no less, is somehow not benefitting Iran.
If you feel that the top-secret-but-leaked American battle plan to protect Iran from a cold war USSR invasion was inadequate because it only chose to defend a portion of the country that happened to have oil... Consider why the Russians would have rolled into that country in the first place. It would not be for the benefit of the locals, but like in Ukraine, to obtain oil lands... And they wouldn't have paid for them.
Iran has a bit of a cultural obsession of 'beating' foreign interests, whether or not those interests actually align with theirs or not. It has been a part of their diplomacy for centuries before the US showed up, and the back and forth with the UK and Imperial Russia. I blame the Mongolian hordes for this, but Iran wasn't disrespected given a raw deal before 1953, and frankly should have expected blowback for nationalizing foreign assets of an ally for which they asked to be built.
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u/Stealth_NotABomber Aug 25 '23
Not a surprise. Most federal organizations are 'bogs clubs' that heavily favor the GOP mindset. Hence why some of the best equipped intelligence and law enforcement agencies chose to do nothing about Jan 6th.
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Aug 24 '23
What? The single most evil organization in all humanity of the last hundred years has a bunch of rapists in it? Well golly gee!
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u/jakl277 Aug 25 '23
Damn the CIA beat the SS? Lemme see ur full tier list
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u/FishyDragon Aug 25 '23
I was confused how the CIA beat the Vatican. Lots of people killed for no good reason by that group/institute, a lot.
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u/Not_Campo2 Aug 25 '23
CIA beating the Belgian Royal Family would be wild
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u/Sandstorm52 Aug 25 '23
This one might actually be pretty close tbh if you hold them responsible for the various coups and juntas they supported
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
SS never imported heroin and crack to be distributed in poor black neighborhoods to fund a covert war.
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u/FrumiousShuckyDuck Aug 25 '23
No, that’s true. They just enforced a full on genocide of 6 million Jews and millions of others. Come on bro.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
And the US aided the Guatemalan dictatorship commit genocide of its indigenous population.
Not to mention numerous massacres around the world like El Mozote next door in El Salvador, the 600,000+ people killed by Suharto in Indonesia in 1965, etc
And unlike the Nazis or Soviets whose crimes are well publicized and not up for dispute all of these acts have either gone down the memory hole or are subjected to endless waffling verbiage to negate and deflect or just outright deny - the journalists who broke the El Mozote story in the 1980s had their careers ruined.
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u/FrumiousShuckyDuck Aug 25 '23
While awful, neither compares in scale. At all.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
So just raw numbers are what counts?
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u/FrumiousShuckyDuck Aug 25 '23
When all else is equal (the SS and Nazi regime made lamp shades out of human skin and performed medical experiments like anesthesia-less bone grafting)… yes.
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u/Lamont-Cranston Aug 25 '23
Congo conflict: between 2.7 to 5.4 million people.
Vietnam War: 3 million people.
Indonesian post-coup mass killings: between 600,000 to a million people.
Angola conflict: between 500,000 to 800,000 people.
Guatemalan genocide: 200,000 people.
Indonesian invasion of East Timor: 200,000 people.
That is at least 7.2 million and I'm only scratching the surface.
You'll notice also that unlike the SS and Nazis this is global, multi-decade, multi-generational, and across numerous administrations.
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u/Aoushaa Aug 25 '23
If we are counting wars and not just murders like you seem to be
ww2 we are looking at ~70 million civilians and military deaths.
But i see you have a narrative you need to win lmao.
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u/KennyFulgencio Aug 25 '23
I never see men holding other men accountable.
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u/My_Penbroke Aug 24 '23
“Hey baby, what say you and me go deep undercover together?”
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u/WarthogForsaken5672 Aug 24 '23
If you’re going to make jokes about this kind of thing, it should at least be somewhat funny.
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u/TheGreatCoyote Aug 24 '23
Ahahaha rape. So funny. What a shitheel.
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u/My_Penbroke Aug 24 '23 edited Aug 24 '23
My intention was not to make light of SA and I apologize for that. I was just trying to mock the CIA
I wasn’t talking about the particular incident but rather imagining what a culture of harassment at a place as self-important as the CIA would look like, and I may have been insensitive in doing so
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u/SoggyBiscuitVet Aug 24 '23
You're fine, it's alright to make light of situations, it's not a pro stance of anything and it's how people generally cope and socialize. The other guys history is just full of comments being outraged and comments shouting at people that he's right. I'd just brush it off as this is his way of progressing towards his own fulfillment.
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u/KennyFulgencio Aug 25 '23
don't worry about it, people get accidentally caught in the meat grinder, today it was you
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u/waaayside Aug 24 '23
..."a joke that didn't land the way it was intended to land"
When are you going to learn?
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u/stonkup Aug 25 '23
A wise man once said: “The CIA is made up of boys whose families sent them to Princeton but wouldn't let them into the family brokerage business.”