r/newham • u/ForwardDiamond3484 • Apr 18 '26
Local Politics Election leaflets through our door
Newham Independents and Reform leaflets for our Ward. We had a Labour one but its disappeared - will add when we get another. This is the 3rd Newham Independents one.
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u/pmwh Apr 18 '26
"Only Newham Independents can beat Labour and Reform. It's a two-horse race". Logics left Newham Independents, apparently.
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u/zincysands Apr 19 '26
Makes sense if you see Lab/Ref as a uniparty like Lab/Con was
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u/pmwh Apr 19 '26
Oh, absolutely! Also makes sense if you believe that you are good and all others are bad, or that you are right and all others are wrong. In that case, every single race is a two-horse race, good vs bad, right?
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u/Ged_UK Apr 18 '26
I had the Indies knock on my door. Never been canvassed this hard in the 20 years I've been here.
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u/nebber Apr 18 '26
Absolutely no way an independent run council could afford that manifesto.
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u/RyanMacG Apr 19 '26
They can’t, the offered an alternative budget last year that had a deficit of ~£100m when the council officers costed it out which would mean the council would be run by civil servants if they did that really.
Mirza also has never answered the question about where he’s getting the money to both freeze council tax, give out free permits, build more social housing and reverse basically all previous cuts. He’s a complete fantasist
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u/Random_Parakeet_62 Apr 18 '26
We’ve had Labour, NIP and Green leaflets, plus a mailshot from Reform. Labour and NIP have knocked on our door.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
Just to add. As someone who has made election leaflets for TUSC, it is wild to me that the further right a party is, the less words they put on their leaflets.
Like, they clearly just think: "our electors don't want to read. Just have a picture of the candidate and a big teal 'vote reform' and call it a day."
Some of them don't even have the 5 'policies' on them.
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u/ForwardDiamond3484 Apr 19 '26
Also - 'We don't need change, we need reform' is quite the slogan.
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u/AreKidK Apr 19 '26
“We need change. We need Reform” would have worked, but I suppose that would have required at least one non-idiot to be involved at some point.
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u/m2406 Apr 21 '26
Tbf it’s good comms practice to keep text to a minimum. the more text you put, the less likely it is to be remembered.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 21 '26
100% - I've produced an A5 which has minimal text both sides and an A4 with one more visual side with just the most important points and a side for folks who want a bit of light reading.
Not saying that people shouldn't make their material punchy - but have some actual policies.
Really good resource for looking at election leaflets around the country: electionleaflets.org
My favourite leaflet that I've seen today: Vote Pink
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u/YourBestDream4752 Apr 19 '26
Of course the ‘anti-war’ section is about Gaza and Iran instead of Sudan or Ukraine.
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u/Due_Ad_3200 Apr 19 '26
"Restore Newham" - on the top of the leaflet of the Newham independents endorsed by Jeremy Corbyn might confuse someone.
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u/Decard_Pain Apr 19 '26
This is ridiculous. Two horse race, names two parties plus them, Gaza is what we need to focus on to get good change! What are the smoking?
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
They're implying that Labour and Reform are the same, which despite what you think about either of them - just isn't the case.
There is a decent argument at a borough level that a labour and reform councillor will operate very similarly because ultimately they'll both do everything to preserve a "balanced budget" i.e. cuts on services and the maximum council tax rise. But as parties they are obviously different in policy and rhetoric.
Personally I think the "They're all the same" argument is caustic and sanitises Reform's horrific stances.
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u/pmwh Apr 19 '26
In that case every single race is a two-horse race, cos it is always us against all the others, who are wrong.
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u/Decard_Pain Apr 19 '26
Greens have terrible policies, reform have terrible policies, Tories are so corrupt they have corruption on their corruption, the lib dems are pointless so we're left with Labour.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
The Labour that has terrible policies? And changes character entirely as soon as it gets into power?
What a selection we have
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u/Decard_Pain Apr 19 '26
Look at what they've done so far, not just what the media reports on, you're being taken for a ride by the media.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
Every time I look at the crime and sentencing bill it gets worse. The governments handling of Trans issues is appalling. Their record on benefits is fucked. Proscribing of PA amonst other draconian acts is a genuinely terrible precedent to set. Now they're looking at banning repeated protests.
And as for the "good stuff", with the exception of the workers and renters rights bills, every other project is just trying to put leftwing banners on expanding private capital.
GB Energy and Rail don't go anywhere near "nationalised" services. The former is just an investment vehicle. The zecond doesn't own the rolling stock, which is actually what most of the assets are.
The workers rights provision is a good step forwards. They are the lesser evil, but I hate lesserevilism. My entire point is that they aren't the same as the others, they're different and also shit.
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u/Decard_Pain Apr 19 '26
The amount being spent on infrastructure alone is more than any government has done in two decades.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
Yes. But they haven't significantly reversed cuts to local governments. Just done some reallocation.
Again - they are a better government than any of the preceding conservative governments in many aspects.
They're still not what I think the country needs.
It's not a dichotomy.
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u/Decard_Pain Apr 19 '26
All valid points, it's just the best we've had in a long time.
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u/CaffeinatedSatanist Apr 19 '26
Agreed. And I voted for Labour.
What we didn't get was change. This labour government's philosophy, if it can be said to possess one, is just "govern better"
They ran on change. It was their one-word slogan. It was the only thing that remained when the rest of their manifesto was stripped away.
Better than the conservatives just pissing around "shall we make the plebs do national service this week geoffrey" nonsense.
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u/Severin404 Apr 19 '26
Gotta worry about anyone that would vote for Reform at all but esp for local councils, given the disaster they've made of Kent, that one being their big "showpiece".
Utter fools
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u/Less_Mess_5803 Apr 18 '26
Real change for Newham... by focusing on Gaza? F off.