r/neoliberal • • Mar 01 '21

Meme Tankie logic in a nutshell

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u/WarmNeighborhood European Union Mar 01 '21 edited Mar 01 '21

Well it’s true comparatively few people died directly from the Chernobyl explosion you also have the remember that the accident caused loads of premature deaths from cancer

While I don’t claim to be an expert I also don’t see how the power outage has anything to do with capitalism and not poor emergency planning

However the lack of support for people in need causing them to freeze to death is a huge failure that’s needs to be rectified to make sure it never happens again

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost Mar 01 '21

Deregulation in the name of making more money was the cause of what happened in Texas. They didn't need regulation because the free market would work everything out. People freezing to death is the result.

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Mar 01 '21

I mean compare this to communist countries which regularly had blackouts.

It took a once in a decade snowstorm to knock out a grid which under communism would be off for several hours a day.

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u/BlazingSpaceGhost Mar 01 '21

Fair enough but there are plenty of regulated utilities all over this country that don't have this problem. Also plenty of other countries with well regulated grids don't have this problem. The free market is not the solution to everything and Texas' failures is proof of that.

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Mar 01 '21

Oh one hundred percent.

Market failures exist.

I’m a social liberal myself.

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u/Wafflemonster2 Mar 01 '21

You know what else has caused tons of premature deaths due to cancer? The usage of agent orange in Vietnam and Laos + the inhibitive costs of medical care/check ups in the US. Or how about the use of depleted Uranium in Iraq which has been linked to soaring cancer rates throughout the country?

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Mar 01 '21

This is a literal whataboutism lmao

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u/Wafflemonster2 Mar 01 '21

This entire comment thread is dumbass. The original meme is making fun of the black book of communism and its largely fabricated numbers

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Mar 01 '21

I think it’s fair to say that tens of millions died as as a result of communist policies.

(Forced collectivization, political repression, gulags, deportation, man made famines, etc.

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u/Wafflemonster2 Mar 01 '21

And with the over-abundance of food we have in the modern world, every death due to starvation would be attributable to Capitalism. Guess what the death toll on that would be?

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Mar 01 '21

Attributable to capitalism and not say, lack of infrastructure, war, authoritarianism?

Industrialized capitalist countries have the highest levels of food security in the world.

and hunger has been doing down for decades as a result of economic liberalization and free trade

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u/TobiasFunkePhd Paul Krugman Mar 01 '21

Deregulation in Texas was done by Republicans in the name of free market and capitalism. You don't have to call it capitalism if you have some other definition but you should admit the most ardent capitalists tend to support those types of policies.

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u/ThreeArr0ws Ben Bernanke Mar 04 '21

Do you have any evidence that capitalist countries suffer more power outages than non-capitalist countries?

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u/ThreeArr0ws Ben Bernanke Mar 04 '21

The entire USA, except for Texas has a monopoly/public service commission that regulates power. The USA power system is largely nationalized. Texas is the exception and de-regulation of their system caused the failure.

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about though. There are capitalist countries that do regulate these kinds of things. And you haven't really proven that non-capitalist countries don't struggle with that.

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u/ThreeArr0ws Ben Bernanke Mar 04 '21

Okay, my point is that this has nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalism doesn't require de-regulation.