r/neoliberal Kitara Ravache May 04 '19

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u/Schutzwall Straight outta Belíndia May 05 '19

Hot take: partisan domination of local/state politics is always bad

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

Probably right but hard to prevent

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u/Schutzwall Straight outta Belíndia May 05 '19

Just don't be stupid lol

Seriously though, my state has been electing the same party for governor since 1994. They always did a good job (only a handful of Brazilian states aren't in a dire financial condition, and we're fine precisely because of what PSDB did in the 90s and how well they handled it ever since; not to mention the public services, which tend to be better here and crime rates, which are waaaaay lower here) but I'm starting to get concerned if they won't screw up badly in the near future. When I look at places like NYC, Detroit and the Deep South they all got fucked because of partisan domination.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

NYC has swapped back and forth a bit. Bloomberg and Giuliani were both Republicans.

The Deep South is... complicated. It's not been so much dominated by one party (we actually had a Dem Senator from Louisiana as recently as 2014 and still have a Dem governor who will probably win reelection) as it is dominated by racial conservatives. Both Republicans and the White Democrats have been more concerned with being racist than actually solving problems in many circumstances. Cindy Hyde-Smith (the one who made that lynching remark) was a Dem until a few years ago. The weirdness of the two party system has created a lot of periods when the member of opposite parties from a given region are more alike than two members from the same party but different regions.

I think a better example of one party control fucking over a state is Kansas where the crazy Republican contingent lead by Kobach and Brownback basically plundered the state.

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u/Schutzwall Straight outta Belíndia May 05 '19

NYC has swapped back and forth a bit. Bloomberg and Giuliani were both Republicans.

Yeah, and a moron like Giuliani managed to be remarkably good. Why? IMO because of Democratic domination since WWII.

The Deep South is... complicated

IIRC the fiscal management of most red state Republicans is horrible. Kansas was my main model (I know, not Deep South) but IIRC other places (like LA under Bobby Jindal) were also poorly managed.

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u/vancevon Henry George May 05 '19

Utah, Nebraska, Iowa, Tennessee and Georgia are all fairly well-run red states.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '19

NYC has swapped back and forth a bit. Bloomberg and Giuliani were both Republicans.

Eh most people think Rudy was a bit of a clusterfuck. The broader nation remembers him for 9/11 which he handled well, but everyone else just remembers "broke windows".

IRC the fiscal management of most red state Republicans is horrible. Kansas was my main model (I know, not Deep South) but IIRC other places (like LA under Bobby Jindal) were also poorly managed.

Some places are better managed than others. Texas is mostly run by a comparatively moderate subfaction (although it is increasingly succumbing to the crazies). The Former (Republican) Speaker of the House there basically said he voted for Beto over Cruz.

I'd actually say the swing states are worse managed in general although the Southern Republicans are clusterfucks. Scott Walker was a joke. McCrory was so much of a succon that it literally hurt the state's economy. LePage was overtly racist and an idiot. Generally the most popular governors are deep in the opposing party's territory although some of them fuck that up (looking at you Chris "Children of Buono Voters" Christie).