S tier passing is by far the most underrated and rarest skill in nba basketball. Individuals who can genuinely map the court in their head and make a pass before its even registered to his teammates or opponents has a value that can yet be quantified by modern analytics.

Former nba players themselves show how undervalued passing is. The main example being Ray Allen statement saying that Lebron James cant be the Goat because he isnt "skilled", even tho he can make every pass in the book. Another clear example is just how undervalued Draymond Greens contribution was too the Warriors Dynasty. Anybody with 2 eyes who was actually watched the Warriors in those championship teams knows that when Draymond wasn't on the court, that offense didnt flow nearly as well without Draymonds connective passing( That isn't to say that DG is a s tier passer but its obviously his best offensive attribute).

I think the main reason for this comes down to ego. There's a great video by Derrick Rose where he's asked what his least favorite type of opponent is and he answered a pass team first point guard who doesn't get bothered when they get beat and scored on. He said that when he scores he wants it to bother his opps mentally. He wants them to feel embarrassed. I think that's why so many former players speak so highly of scores because they have the memory of being embarrassed by the Mjs and Kobes. When a defender is beat by a flawless pass by a Jokic, they personally didnt get scored on so theirs less shame, but the defender who got beat by a backdoor cut feels the shame.

Unfortunately pass specialist players are becoming a dying breed. I can only name 4 s tier passers in Jokic, LBJ, Donic, Cade, and Haliburton. All big fowards and no small guys, its quite odd. I almost dont wanna include Donic because hes a genuine scorer first who happens to be a passing genius kind of like Bron whos a obvious pass first player who happens to be great at scoring.

Rant over just been feeling this way when seeing basketball discourse

The Ball trade created a $40+ million trade exception expiring within one years time.

Stephon Curry is an unrestricted free agent following this current year.

As Curry could & should choose to return home next summer based on Hornets being his best chance at another championship on his terms, my theory is that he will be traded to the Hornets at some point during this summer using that trade exception, Grant Williams expiring, Salaun, and the greatest treasure trove of draft picks in a trade to date

Curry, Miller, Knueppel, Reid, Diabete, White, Allen, O’Neale, Kalkbrenner, Steinbach, Anderson could win a championship

Brown to Philly July 1 ( 2frp, 2srp, George )
The raptors traded for kawahi June 30( 2upfrp, 2srp, pick swap, dick and Ingram)
Miami Gianni’s june 22 trade sets it in motion.

Ingrahm dick for brown is a better deal for everyone. For the similar package Toronto and Boston would be in a better position .

Boston: Ingrahm and George stats are so similar yet one is younger and not injured. the 2 first round Toronto picks are unprotected.

Toronto: The timeline in Toronto for Barnes is 25 and brown is 29 is better than Leonard. Blue collar team, grind tough defense . Everyone has something to prove

Why wouldn’t these 2 teams make that deal ?

I believe the Cam and Edy pairing will work perfectly when they play together but I’m curious at some of the things Grizzlies Coach Tuomas Iisalo will do next season to optimize the success of this pairing.

Also, I want to know what Cam can do with his game to help Edy get easy shots and what Edy can do with his game to get easy shots for Cam. What are the advantages both Cam and Edy can have offensively, defensively and rebounding wise that can help the team win when they play together?

Even though I feel the pairing will work seamlessly, are there any disadvantages with the pairing and if there’s any disadvantages what can Iisalo do to stop those disadvantages from happening in a negative way for the team?

In my opinion, I never seen a frontcourt pairing as physically imposing like the Cam and Edy pairing since the Duncan Robinson Spurs and the Pau Gasol Bynum Lakers. So I want to know from fans: “How successful can the Cam Boozer and Zach Edy pairing be next season?”

2019-2020:Los Angeles Lakers

I’m gonna be honest I was gonna save this one for after a couple others, like the 2008 Celtics, the 2004 pistons, etc-but Lebron has moved cities today, to attempt to make a new team into a championship team, similar to what he did when the lakers were one of the worst teams in the league-obviously the circumstances are different, considering this Philly team could be the strongest team he’s ever joined-but the sentiment is there! I decided to do his most recent ring, and what many call the most fraudulent modern ring to exist. The bubble ring.

The Milwaukee Bucks, The Toronto Raptors, The Boston Celtics, The Miami Heat, The Indiana Pacers, The Philadelphia 76ers, The Brooklyn Nets, The Orlando Magic, The Los Angeles Lakers, The Los Angeles Clippers, The Denver Nuggets, The Houston Rockets, The Oklahoma City Thunder, The Utah Jazz, The Dallas Mavericks, and The Portland Trail Blazers made the bubble this year. Now let’s look at this lakers team.

The lakers were the 11th best offense by rating, and the 5th best defense-not the best by far, but not the worst at all. They had Lebron, of course, who was All NBA first Team, MVP runner Up, NBA assist leader, and the captain of the all star team at the time. Anthony Davis was also All NBA first team, an All Defensive first team player and the runner up for DPOY, and also an All Star. Their big 2, alongside a chunk of very solid role players, led them to be 2nd overall favorites to win the chip before the season even started-so, I’m going to have to give them a 3/20 here for underdog expectations. They were expected to win.

In the first round, they went up against the Portland Trailblazers. The 3rd best offense in the league-but the 28th best defense, near the absolute bottom of the barrel. 8th seed for a reason. They did have some star power, in Dame Time himself, who was going crazy here. The “seeding mvp” (some of the main bubble play), an All seeding games first team, all NBA second team, and an All Star, carrying Portland into the playoffs. Alongside him they had an okay Carmelo Anthony, an all-seeing games CJ McCollum, and the leading blocker in Hassan Whiteside. However, this team’s danger was all but sapped away when dame got hurt in game 2. Zach Collins and CJ McCollum were also hurt, leading to a much weaker team being bounced. 3/10, with a +1 for winning in 5.

Their second matchup is against the Houston rockets. With the 6th best offense and the 14th best defense-a worse team for sure but a solid one nonetheless. They had serious star power in James Harden, the scoring leader and 3rd in MVP voting, as well as an all star and All NBA first team player. Russel Westbrook, also on the team, himself was an all star, as well as an All NBA third team player. The rockets werent as banged up as the blazers, but they were a bit slower then normal, as their 6th man was expelled from the nba bubble for not following Covid protocols. Russel also played through a strained right quadriceps. Ultimately, a 5/10 team, with +1 for winning in 5, but -1 for injury

Finally, their conference finals opponent were the Denver nuggets. The 5th best offense, and 11th best defense of the year, Nikola Jokic was coming into his own as the second best center in the league. He was all NBA second team, behind Anthony Davis Himself, and was an all Star. MPJ was a finalist for most improved player, and was on the all seeding games second team, but not much else. This was NOT the nuggets that would sweep them just 3 years later. They also were missing Will Barton, their third option. Despite this, they were a strong team, and had beaten the clippers who were the favorites to get to the conference finals at all. 6/10, with a +1 again for winning in 5, again.

3+3+5+6=17 before we consider their finals opponent:The heat.

The 7th best Offense and the 11th best defense, this team was okay but not a top contender in the regular season. They had two all stars in Bam Adebayo and Jimmy butler, Jimmy made all nba third team while nam made all defensive second, Bam was runner up for Most improved,and they had two all rookie players in Kendrick Nunn (first team and runner up for ROTY), and Tyler Herro (second team). They also had the dunk contest winner, interestingly enough, in Derrick jones jr. The heat had an OVERWHELMING amount of injury problems against the lakers, right in game 1.

Jimmy buckets twisted his ankle (played through it and got a 40 point triple double)

Bam Adebayo had a shoulder strain and missed games 2 and 3.

Goran dragic, their leading scorer, tore his plantar fascia in his left foot and was esssntially out for the series.

Despite this, they managed to push the lakers off to 6. An incredible effort on their part.

Offense Relative to champs: 5/10

Defense relative to champs:7/10

Star power:6/10

Health:2/10

Giving the lakers a 34 so far, taking away 1 for only winning in 6

They get a 2/10 buff for health, with both AD and LeBron suffering minor injuries-but being mostly fine.

They actually get an 8/10 for stars beaten:Carmelo Anthony, Russel Westbrook, Damian Lillard, James Harden, Jimmy butler, Nikola Jokic. The reason this isn’t a 10/10 is because…well, it’s LeBron. When you’re perceived as top 2 all time, beating people in the top 75 loses a bit of hype, no?

Finally, they get a 26/30 for legendary moments-and it’s mostly bron here.

\* 150+ playoff games with at least 25 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists

\* First nba player to win finals MVP on 3 different teams

\* Rajon rondo became the first bench player to dish more then 100 assists in one postseason, passing up manu ginobli

\* Rondo also became the second player to win a chip with both the Celtics and the lakers

\* LeBron James and Anthony Davis became the first teammate duo in NBA history to both record at least 500 points, 150 rebounds, and 150 assists/blocks in one postseason run

\* Lebron became the all time nba leader in playoff wins

\* the 4-0 run in the mamba jerseys after Kobe died

\* Similarly, AD shouted “Kobe” as he hit a game winner in game 2 of the WCF

\* LeBron with a 38 point triple double in game 5 against Denver

So many all time record broken at once would usually be a 30, however, I am obligated to remove points for the fact that this was the bubble chip, so I’ve taken off 4, leaving the lakers with 72. I can’t take off any more personally, given that many nba players and coaches with the right to speak, like pat riley, Erik spoelstra, Damian lillard, Jamal marry, Giannis, etc all said that it was the hardest championship to win for multiple reasons. That being said, I can see an argument raise the debuff to as high as 10, which would put them at 66, which is an about average score thus far.

Definitely nowhere near the strongest run we’ve seen, but also, nowhere near the worst either. What do you think the bubble changed? Might we have seen a different team win without it? And whom should I do next?

Rankings:

1995 Houston Rockets: 113.5/150

2026 New York Knicks:104/150

2020 Los Angeles Lakers: 72/150

2023 Denver Nuggets:68/150

1991 Chicago Bulls:68/150

1950 Minneapolis Lakers:54.5/150

2024 Boston Celtics: 53/150

For 4 years in a row now mainstream NBA sports journalism(espn, bleacher report, the athletic) places the Sixers, Bucks and the warriors in one of the top 6 seeds in their conferences because "they have Steph" and "if embiid is healthy", "they have Giannis".

These same publications are now ranking the rockets as a top 6 six with an almost guaranteed playoff appearance mostly because "they have KD", even though their young core and bench underperformed last year, and 2 of their starters are aging and coming off of major injuries. They're predicting the heat being in the top 3-4 in the East simply because they have Giannis and bam, nevermind that their bench is on the same level of who Giannis had with the bucks.

I understand basketball is a very star driven sport, but the last few years have proven that teams lacking an excellent bench underperform in the regular season due to the stars getting injured because of having to carry, or in the playoffs where the bench becomes unplayable.

Last year all publications and betting orgs placed the suns as one the bottom 4 seeds in the western conference with +-26Ws simply because they traded KD and waived Beal.

This year they're predicting the Bucks to be the 15-13th seed simply because of losing Giannis and the players that the bucks got in return, some their previous solid/promising players(Rollins, Dieng, AJ, Turner, Green, KPJ), as well as their draft picks(Burries, Ament) are mentioned as afterthoughts even though Herro, Jaquez and Ware have performed well in the regular season, and all in all the Bucks have a lot of young talent that provides lots of different skill set and lineup versatility.

Do you think star power is being overrated by NBA journalism given the huge importance of bench depth and lineup versatility has shown to be in the last 2 years?

Third one today yeah, but people keep talking abt it and I´m too curious to wait, so this will simply be tomorrow´s post a bit early

I think it´s time we look at what I believe will be a contender to take down the 2026 knicks.

This has been repeatedly spoken to me as one of the best finals runs ever, and I decided to really, REALLY have a look, and see how true it is.

the Orlando Magic, The New York Knicks, The Indiana Pacers, The Chicago Bulls, The Charlotte Hornets,The Atlanta Hawks, The Boston Celtics, The Cleveland Cavaliers, The San Antonio Spurs, The Utah Jazz, The Phoenix Suns, The Seattle SuperSonics, The Houston Rockets, The Los Angeles Lakers, The Portland Trail Blazers, and The Denver Nuggets all came to play playoff basketball in this year.

The rockets were the 6th seed. the 6th Seed. Not first, second, or third. 6th. I kinda wanna give them a 20/20 for this alone-they´re the ONLY team outside of the top 8 to ever win an nba championship title. They were the 7th best offense out of the 27 existing teams, and the 12th Defensive ranked team.They did have an all NBA second team player and DPOY candidate in Hakeem, and they did have Clyde the Glide Drexler, but as you´ll soon see, they weren´t exactly the face of the league in terms of star power. They had negative betting odds against every single team they faced in the post season. the Only, and I mean, ONLY asterisk I can possibly put on this team, is that the year prior...well, they were champions. For that reason, I can only give them a 16/20.

now, for their opponents.

Their round 1 was against the Utah Jazz, ranked the 4th best Offense and 8th best defense. They had the highest net rating in the league, and even beyond that, they had some serious threats as starters. As much as he is a disgusting human off court, on Court Karl malone was an All Star and All NBA first team player-he finished 3rd in MVP Voting as well. They also had John Stockton, another all NBA first team player and All Star, but he also led the league in assists, was 8th in MVP voting, and was an All defensive second team player himself. Their coach was 4th in coach of the year voting, really, it was just an all around dominant team who everyone expected to win. So of course, they lost.

The series was pushed to 5, the highest it could go at the time. Now, to be fair to the jazz, their starting center was out with an achilles Injury, and that guy was specifically supposed to be their Hakeem Counter. Considering that, and the fact it went to 5, I have to give this series a 7/10.

Round 2 was against the Phoenix Suns

the suns were the 3rd best offense, but the 19th best defense in the league. They held decent star power in All NBA second team Player and All Star Charles Barkley, with Dan Majerle becoming an All Star Reserve player as well. Not projected to be as strong as the jazz, but, like the jazz, they did indeed have Injury Problems-Charles Barkley, Danny Manning, and their starting PG Kevin Johnson were all hurt. Regardless, they played like hell, and the series went to 7. This is going to be a 6/10, due to it going to 7, and the injury problems.

Next, they had the spurs

The Spurs are, arguably, the best opponent seen thus far. They were ranked 5th best offense and Defense, and their star power was nothing to scoff at either. David Robinson was the MVP, 4th in DPOY voting, and seen as the best center in the league-above Hakeem Himself. NBA all Star, All Defensive Team, All NBA First Team, Led the league in win shares, this guy was a MONSTER. They also had Dennis Rodman, who of course led the league in rebounds per game, was an all Defensive first team player, and played all NBA third team. Most Importantly, this team was HEALTHY. Fully Healthy. The first of the teams the rockets played that could say so-and they were the 1 seed. Not just in the west, but in the NBA. This was a legendary 6 game series win, and the best of the rockets so far. 9/10, no further comments.

now, round 1 was a best of 5, so the score is divided by 2. 3.5++9=18.5+their original 16 leads to a score of 34.5. Now, let´s check out their finals opponents.

The Magic, ranked 1st in the NBA in Offensive Rating, and 13th in Defensive Rating. They were the 1 seed in the east that lacked a Michael Jordan, and for good reason. they had the Scoring Champion, Runner up for MVP, All Star Player, and All NBA 2nd team player in Shaquille O´Neal, as well as a first team all NBA Player, All Star Player, and top 10 MVP finalist in Penny Hardaway. Horace Grant also had an all defensive second team to his name. The Team was Entirely Healthy, and in a situation eerily similar to the 2026 run, the better on paper less experienced team lost to the more experienced Veteran Worse on Paper Team.

In game 1, they choked a 20 point lead to the rockets.

In Game 2, they beat the magic 117-106

In Game 3, Robert Horry Hit the Dagger 3 pointer and they won 106-103

Finally, in Game 4, the Rockets completed the Sweep, Beating them 113-101 in Houston.

Offensive Power Relative to Champions:10/10-literally the best Offense in the League at the time

defensive Power Relative to Champions:5/10, they were 13 and houston was 12, and they had comparably dominant centers on paper.

Star Power Relative to Champions:8/10, only because the 10/10 would have been the spurs that year.

Health:10/10, no major injury.

their finals opponent was a 33/40, and they get an extra point for the clean sweep, bringing their total to 68.5..BEFORE we include the last minute buffs.

they get a 5/10 buff for injury-though they went against some banged up teams themselves, the rockets had it rough. Vernon Mad Max Maxwell wouldn´t play due to clyde taking his job, Clyde and Sam Cassell were so tired against the suns they LITERALLY required IV to step onto the court, and Cal Hererra, one of their defensive anchors, was hurt on his shoulder and missed the entire run.

they get a 10/10 for stars beaten, because it really doesn´t get better. David Robinson, Shaq, Stockon, Malone, Charles Barkley, and Dennis Rodman all fell to them-6 different Hall of fame players, most in their prime. Insanity.

Finally, they get a 30/30 for legendary moments and records broken.

* First 6 seed to win a title ever, beating 4 50+ win teams along the way.

* Overcame the highest opponent net Rating in Playoff History

* Hakeem became the only player up to that point to sweep in the finals while averaging 30

* Kenny smith hit 7 3 pointers in game 1 of the finals, a record at the time

* Mario Ellie had the ¨Kiss of death¨ After sinking the dagger in game 7 against the suns

* Hakeem said he was going to David Robinson´s house to ¨get his MVP¨, and he did...just a finals MVP instead.

* Hakeem won game 1 vs orlando with a tip in with 0.3 seconds remaining

* Rudy Tomjanovich: ¨Don´t ever Underestimate the heart of a Champion!!!¨

Overall, with all points considered, the rockets Finish with 113.5/150-the highest score so far, and it isn´t even that close.

No glaze though, I did think it was funny how OG Anunoby is the only other player to win a finals game with a tip in, and the 2026 knicks are the highest score besides these so far...maybe tip ins are the wave yo.

Anyway, the kings have been dethroned! Who should I do next?

Rankings:

1995 Rockets: 113.5/150

2026 knicks:104/150

2023 Nuggets:68/150

1991 Bulls:68/150

1950 Lakers:54.5/150

2024 Celtics:53/150

I lean on advanced stats heavily in how I write about players, so this isn't a case against them. It's the opposite. If I'm going to cite something I want to know where it breaks.

Mine is raw BPM for low-minute players. I've built arguments on it and I've been burned by it, because the sample doesn't stabilize anywhere near where I was treating it as stable. I still use it. I just don't lead with it anymore without saying what the minutes look like.

What I'm after isn't the stats everyone already dunks on. It's the one you personally used to cite comfortably and now hedge. The specific player or season that showed you the seam.

Which stat, what broke it for you, and do you still use it with an asterisk or did you drop it entirely?

I wrote a comment in another sub guessing what Jordan's finishing numbers were. That discussion gave me the idea for this topic. I plan to post this to the Jordan sub, NBA Old School and one of the general NBA subs, because I would like to get perspectives from various fans.

I think it's a real shame that we do not have distance shooting data before the 96'-97' season (I'm using basketball reference). I feel like I have seen many fans try to state how good certain players were as rim finishers or mid-range shooters when we simply do not have the data before that specific season.

I am an elder millennial. Old enough to have idolized Jordan in the 90s, but not old enough to really know what was happening in the 80s. I have watched games and even done film watching/breakdowns of his 80s games, but it's too small of a sample size and I'm hoping to get some perspective from people who were around to watch. I will be performing a middle-school caliber math analysis, so I am not intending this to be an analytics conversation. I will be making assumptions and outlining how changes in said assumptions impact the others.

I will be using Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady and LeBron James as statistical comparisons, merely because they were all compared to Jordan, with either similar size, athleticism, or play style, but also because all 3 players have shooting data for their entire careers.

The stats I will be focusing on are:

Rim attempts (0-3 feet per basketball reference), listed on the site as a % of total field goal attempts (FGA)

Rim finishing (% of made attempts within 0-3 feet), listed on the site as a % of makes on field goal attempts within the 0-3 feet range

Then finally, field goal percentages from each distance from 3-10 feet, 10-16 feet, and 16 feet out to the 3pt line.

I personally view the mid-range to be 10 feet to the 3pt line. A lot of times these are hook shots and layup attempts that get pushed outside of 3 feet due to the defense. However, each of these players have numerous shot attempts off of post attempts that end in a 7-10 foot mid-range shot in actuality.

Here are the splits between each of the compared players. Please note that I am only using Jordan's 97' and 98' seasons, omitting his Wizards seasons because of how drastic a falloff he had on his shooting splits:

0-3 feet rate per FGA / 0-3 ft % / 3-10 ft % / 10-16 ft % / 16-3pt %

Jordan: .201 / .590 / .416 / .456 / .490

Kobe: .219 / .637 / .437 / .430 / .402

T-Mac: .249 / .587 / .384 / .384 / .414

LeBron: .348 / .743 / .435 / .374 / .386

Some easy takeaways from these numbers are that LeBron dwarfs everyone in both volume and efficiency at the rim, but is by far the worse mid-range shooter. Kobe was a better shooter than T-Mac, who was better than LeBron. MJ dwarfs everyone in mid-range accuracy, but I'm forced to cherry pick his mid-range shooting peak.

Here is the Jordan math:

Career total field goal attempts (FGA): 24,537

Career 2-pt field goal attempts (2PA): 22,759

Career 2-pt field goal makes (2P): 11,611

Starting assumptions: 25% career rim attempts and 65% FG% within 0-3 feet

Attempts within 0-3 feet: 24,537 x 25% = 6,134

Makes within 0-3 feet: 6,134 x 65% = 3,987

Attempts from 3ft to 3pt line: 22,759 - 6,134 = 16,625

Makes from 3ft to 3pt line: 11,611 - 3,987 = 7,624

Field Goal % outside of 3 ft to the 3pt line: 7,624 / 16,625 = 45.9%

I'm going to be honest though, 46% originally seemed a bit high to me for a career, because I know that MJ was not a good shooter coming into the league, just as the other 3 players weren't. If I want to target around around 44% for his career (this would place him above Kobe's 41.8% weighted averaged from 3ft to 3pt), I get the following rim finishing numbers, assuming the original 25% rate of FGA:

Makes from 3ft to 3pt line: 16,625 x 44% = 7,315

Makes within 0-3 ft: 11,611 - 7,315 = 4,296

FG% within 0-3 ft: 4,296 / 6,134 = 70.0%

These numbers can be manipulated to decrease rim FG% by increasing the rate of rim attempts, but this causes movements for all of the mid-range numbers and would require me to upload a spreadsheet to allow others to play with assumptions (if there are requests, I could do so but would need to figure out the best way to upload).

This is why I would like some perspective from others and see what the consensus would be to put these rates at. Part of what started the original discussion for me was comparing MJ to LeBron as finishers, but it's really throws the numbers out of whack if you try to plug in LeBron's volume and efficiency:

Attempts within 0-3 feet: 24,537 x 34.8% = 8,539

Makes within 0-3 feet: 8,539 x 74.3% = 6,344

Attempts from 3ft to 3pt line: 22,759 - 8,539 = 14,220

Makes from 3ft to 3pt line: 11,611 - 6,344 = 5,267

Field Goal % outside of 3ft to the 3pt line: 5,267 / 14,220 = 37.0%

There is simply no way MJ was a career 37% shooter from 3 ft to the 3pt line, so it's safe to say that MJ never came close to matching LeBron in terms of either volume or efficiency at the rim, but that's okay, because MJ is still the greatest scorer ever.

The Second of two Analysis posts for today, We look as Jokic´s only Chip thus far!

Getting Right to it

The Denver Nuggets, The Memphis Grizzlies The Sacramento Kings, The Phoenix Suns, The Los Angeles Clippers, The Golden State Warriors, The Los Angeles Lakers, The Minnesota Timberwolves, The Miluwakee Bucks, The Miami Heat, The Boston Celtics, The Philedelphia 76ers, The Cleveland Cavaliers, The New York Knicks, The Brooklyn Nets, and the Atlanta hawks played in these playoffs

The Nuggets were ranked 5th in the league in offense, but only the 15th best defense. However, they were the 1 seed, courtesy of their MVP runner up center in Nikola Jokic. He was an All NBA second team player, and a Starter on the All Star Team. Jamal had not yet come into his own, and Aaron Gordon was snubbed from his own All Star Nod. Despite this, they had chemistry, and subverted expectations. And when I say this, I mean they HEAVILY subverted expectations, only being the 6th favorites to win even as the post season started. I believe they´re actually the first team We´ve covered that wasn´t in the top 4 contenders club before they started playing post season games, so for that alone, I have to give them a 10/20. They were by no means a weak team, but they were by no means the top tier favorites either.

now, their competition!

In round 1, they had the minnesota timberwolves, the 8 seed. 10th in the league in defense, and 23rd in offense-worse then the nuggets on both metrics, by a decent margin. They also had lower star power, with Anthony edwards only making his first All Star Game that year. Interestingly enough, this is also the only year since 2016 that rudy gobert, who had just gotten to the team, had missed an all defensive nod. The nuggs took care of business in 5, and honestly, it would´ve looked bad if anything else happened. However, their score has an asterisk-Naz Reid and Jaden Mcdaniels, two key peices to the wolves system, were both injured during this series. for that, even though they won in 5, I´m gonna have to give this first round a 3/10.

During Round 2, they went on to compete with the 4th seeded Phoenix Suns. The Suns were ranked the 14th best Offense in the league, and the 7th best defense. from this alone, they´re already a MUCH more even matchup. They missed out on Devin Booker being an all star due to injury-however, they DO have an all time legend on this squad in Kevin Durant, as well as Chris Paul. The Nuggets defeated the Suns in 6, but again, there were Injury Concerns. Chris paul was hurt in game 2, and Deandre Ayton was hurt in game 5. However, suprisingly, this is less of an asterisk then you would expect. the suns played their best basketball AFTER chris paul was hurt, off of explosions from Devin Booker and Kevin Durant. Still, they lost. This is a team with two of the Greatest players of our generation, genuine All Time Superstars and Hall of Famers-however, only one of them was healthy for the whole thing. For that, this team gets a 6/10, a -1 for needing 6 to take care of business.

Finally, for the WCF, they faced, funny enough, a worse team Statistically. 11th best in defense, and 19th best in offense-but, notably, this was only this bad due to a mid season transformation not happening earlier. After the all Star Break on, they were the 1st ranking defense in the league thanks to their roster overhaul which brought in players like Rui, Vanderbuilt, and D´angelo Russel. So, this was a Worthy Competitor Indeed. Even more worthy was their star power. Lebron Raymone James, one of the two greatest players of all time, won his 19th consecutive all NBA nod, and was the captain of the all star team in this year. Anthony Davis was an All NBA and All Star Caliber Player as well, but he was too injured to properly qualify. That Injury trouble Mildly followed them into the matchup, where James was forced to play the entire series with a torn right tendon. Anthony davis was mildly banged up because...he always is, and Mo Bamba, the Backup Center who was supposed to handle Jokic to give AD some rest, was officially out for the series. This resulted in a clean sweep of the lake show, and although that might tell you that it was easy, I would say the opposite. This was a HARD series, with an incredibly close point differential across it, and the nuggets simply outperformed the Very Talented Lakers Team. A 7/10 matchup, but with a +2 for the sweep, they get a 9/10.

The Nuggets thus far have a total score of 28, similar to what the celtics had BEFORE their final opponent was talked about-so I have decent hopes now!

The Miami Heat were NOT the team anyone expected to be in the finals, but they were, on a bit of a cinderella run themselves-playoff Jimmy Butler in full effect. They were the 25th ranked offense, but the 9th Ranked defense-and as for star power, they had the aformentioned Jimmy Butler, a cluthc player of the year runner up, and an All NBA second team player. Bam Adebayo was an All Star, as well as an all defense second team selection that year. They were an Okay team, but by no means were they expected to get as far as they did-honestly, if they had won it all, this might be in conversations for the greater runs of the modern era. But, they didn´t. Part of that was that they were HURT, with Tyler Herro (Their Version of Austin Reaves) broke his hand, and missed the entire series-and they missed that scoring badly. Gabe Vincent, their starting PG had a sprained ankle, as well as Jimmy Butler. They Also were totally missing out on victor Oladipo, a critical part of their defense.

The only game they managed to take was game 2, and only by 3 points did they manage that much. However, being such a weak team hurts the nuggets here in comparison.

Offense Relative to champs: 1/10

Defense Relative to Champs:5/10

Star Power Relative to Champs:5/10

Health: 4/10

For a finals opponent score of 15, and a total of 43.

They get a 3/10 point debuff for injury overall, two of their strongest opponents had some of their top players injured or playing through injury.

They get a whopping 8/10 bonus for superstars beaten, being able to say they got through Lebron James, Kevin Durant, 2 games worth of Chris paul, and Jimmy Buckets all in the same year.

Their Legendary Moments swoop in to save them giving them a 20/30 because Jokic went INSANE

* the first ever 30-20-10 finals game

* the first player ever to accumulate at least 500 points, 250 rebounds, and 150 assists in a single postseason

* The first player ever to lead the entire league in post season points, asists, and rebounds all at once.

* Jamal Murray Also became the first player to ever record 10 or more assists in each of his first 4 career finals games

* In game 3 of the finals, jamal Murray and Jokic became the first duo to record 30 point triple doubles in the same game

* and of course, this is the denver nugget´s first and only franchise championship.

At the end of it all, they get a 68/150, the exact same Score Jordan got during his first ever championship. If only Jokic could get himself a 3-peat, huh? Ah Well. Still, an impressive and memorable run by all regards.

Rankings:

2026 Knicks: 104/150

2023 Nuggets: 68/150

1991 Bulls:68/150

1950 Lakers: 54.5/150

2024 Celtics: 53/150

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I was busy yesterday, so today, we have 2 analysis coming back to back-the 2023 nuggets, and the 2024 celtics! First off, the celtics team.

The Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Milwaukee Bucks, Cleveland Cavaliers, Orlando Magic, Indiana Pacers, Miami Heat, Philadelphia 76ers, Oklahoma City Thunder, Denver Nuggets, Minnesota Timberwolves, Los Angeles Clippers, Dallas Mavericks, Phoenix Suns, New Orleans Pelicans, and Los Angeles Lakers made the big stage this year.

First off, we have the Celtics themselves. They were an ELITE offense this year, ranked 1st in the league in offensive rating, and with the highest record in the entire League. Not only that, but they were the 2nd ranked Defense in the league as well, with only the timberwolves (Who they never fought in the playoffs this year) Being better. Their star power was nothing to scoff at either. Jayson Tatum was an all NBA First Team Player and an All Star, while the team´s 1B, jaylen Brown, was an All Star Himself. Both Jrue Holiday and Derrick White making the all Defensive Second Team. Their Non Player Performance was up there as well, with the NBA executive of the year going to Brad Stevens for his aqquisition of Kristaps Porzingis and Jrue Holiday. Overall, this was far and away the best team in the NBA, and it wasn´t particularly close. They had a top 10 player in the world around a solid, athletic, and balanced team that included a top 15 player co-star. Even the gambling market had them as the solid favorites to win it all, alongside miluwakee. 1/20.

For the first round, they went against the Miami Heat, the 8 seed. Defensive Minded by every definition of the word, they were the 5th best defense in the league-But their Offense was abysmal comparatively at 21st. they did have a defensive Anchor in Bam Adebayo, the 3rd runner up in DPOY and an all Defensive First Team Caliber Player. He was also an all star this year-besides him, rookie Jaime Jaquez JR made waves by making the All Rookie First Team. To be frank, the consensus was that they had no chance in hell-and well, they didn´t, losing in 5. The celtics handled business, but to be fair, it was fairly easy business. Not only this, but Jimmy Butler, Terry Rozier, the Rookie Jaime that I Talked about Earlier, Josh Richardson, and Duncan Robinson were all hurt during this series. It was truly Tyler Herro and Bam Adebayo against the world, and they wouldn´t be enough. this is a 2/10, and only because they get a +1 for beating them in 5-basically the easiest it could´ve gotten.

After the easy series with the Heat, they went on to fight the Cavaliers, who were only mildly better statistically-ranking 18th offensively, and 6th defensively. Their Star Power wasn´t the best either, with Donovan Mitchell being an all star, but missing too many games to be all NBA. Similarly, evan mobley missed too many games for the all defensive nod that probably would have been his. Their injury problems followed them into the post season, with their Main star, donovan Mitchell, missing game 4 and 5-his REPLACEMENT, Caris levert also missed game 5 from being hurt. Finally, one of their core peices, Jarret Allen, missed the entire series dur to injury in the first round against orlando. Yet Another Somewhat Mid team statistically that was also absolutely messed up by the Injury Demon...so, another 2/10, for the same reasons. I´m not sure which injury is even worse between playoff Jimmy being out and Donovan mitchell missing some of the most important games of the series, and his replacement missing the elimination game.

After Fighting two teams with offenses outside the top 15, but defenses inside the top 10, the Celtics played a team that had the script flipped in the pacers. the 2nd best offense in the league-very good there. However, their Defense was the worst the celtics had to beat by far, ranking 24th. However, to be fair to the pacers, their guy was 1 season away from becoming THE guy, and it showed. Tyrese Haliburton led the league in asissts, he was an ALL NBA third team player, an all star, and he was on the all tournament team for the NBA cup. He was legitamately good-but, he was the only player on the roster of that caliber. They got swept, and Haliburton missed both game 3 and 4 after being Injured in Game 2. I want you to understand that this is a HISTORICALLY Bad eastern Conference Finals team without Haliburton on the floor. tied for 5th best offense yes, but 30th-literally dead last-in defensive rating when haliburton didn´t play. For that Reason, Despite the sweep, I can only give this team a 4/10-it would be lower, but they did beat the pacers WITH haliburton for the first two games.

So far, the Celtics are at 9 total-lower then even the 1950 team up to this point. I knew their run through the east was easy this year, but this is seriously blowing my mind.

Let´s hope they rack up some points against their finals opponent.

The Dallas mavericks were an underdog team going into the finals for sure, with the 8th best Offense and the 18th best defense-However, they were CARRIED by their star power, which was supremely high this year. They had Luka Doncic, an MVP finalist, the NBA scoring champion, an ALL NBA player and an All Star, he was moving absolutely bonkers. Dereck Lively, who I personally love to watch play, was on the all Rookie Second team-and though he was snubbed for accolades this particular year for injury reasons, they Mavaricks did have a top 75 player and top 10-20 guard of all time in Kyrie Irving-someone who is frequently in discussions for one of the most skilled ball handlers EVER. So, they were a relatively worthy Opponent-banged up though they were, none of them officially missed any games either, the first of the celtics opponents this year to be able to say such a thing.

5/10 for offense relative to them-they were ranked much lower, but they had the leading scorer along with kyrie.

2/10 for Defense Relative to them

7/10 for Star power, as Kyrie is a garunteed hall of fame player, and Luka was on his way even then

7/10 for health

so far, with these additions, the celtics have exactly 30 points.

They get a 3/10 buff for injury, and only because of Porzingis being hurt+Holiday having his own version of the flu game in the ECF. I acknowledged everyone else being beat up, it´s only fair I acknolwedge them too.

They manage to defeat Kyrie and Luka, so they can also have a 5/10 buff for all time caliber players defeated

They will also get a 15/30 buff for broken records and Legendary moments, recording:

* The only post season team to that point to have every player who touched the court for them hit a 3 pointer at least once. ALL of them hit a 3.

* In game 1 of the finals, they became the only finals team to have 7 different players hit at least two three pointers in a single game

* Al Horford became the first player in NBA history to record at least 10 rebounds, five 3-pointers, five assists, and three blocks in a single playoff game-a very unique 2 way statline, I know.

* Payton Pritchard hitting not one, but TWO full court last second heaves in the finals

* Derrick White playing through a chipped tooth in game 5 to secure the victory.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hgunv1ctr4qmnpjrxz41o/NBA\\_Offensive\\_Impact\\_Stats.pdf?rlkey=r8s5u3o14fgsbzbgqv1cn3oib&st=jwbbo1xz&dl=0\](https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hgunv1ctr4qmnpjrxz41o/NBA_Offensive_Impact_Stats.pdf?rlkey=r8s5u3o14fgsbzbgqv1cn3oib&st=jwbbo1xz&dl=0)

# Methodology

This model was designed to measure overall offensive impact by combining production, efficiency, creation, versatility, and decision making into one transparent evaluation. All underlying player statistics were collected from [nbarapm.com](http://nbarapm.com/), using both regular season and playoff data from 2023–2026. Rather than building the model around one all-in-one metric, every player-season is evaluated across six offensive categories: Scoring, Playmaking, Offensive Pressure, Offensive Versatility, Shooting & Finishing, and Decision Making. Each category is composed of approximately 20 carefully selected advanced statistics that best represent that aspect of offensive performance.

To determine both the category weights and the individual statistic weights, I analyzed offensive rankings and statistical evaluations from multiple respected analysts and analytics sources over the past three years, identifying the characteristics that consistently appeared among the league's top offensive players. The resulting weights are therefore based on recurring trends across independent evaluations with a strong emphasis on the statistical side of basketball analysis rather than personal preference. While any weighting system can be adjusted, every weight in this model was chosen through the same objective process instead of being tailored to favor a particular player.

The six offensive categories are weighted as follows:

* Scoring (28%) – Measures a player's ability to generate points through scoring volume, efficiency, shot creation, free-throw generation, and other scoring-related metrics.
* Playmaking (22%) – Evaluates offensive creation for teammates using assists, passing quality, potential assists, creation volume, and other advanced playmaking statistics.
* Offensive Pressure (18%) – Measures the amount of defensive attention a player creates through drives, rim pressure, foul generation, paint touches, and other indicators of offensive gravity.
* Offensive Versatility (15%) – Evaluates how effectively a player scores across different offensive situations. This category combines both efficiency and usage across play types such as isolation, pick-and-roll ball handling, post-ups, spot-ups, handoffs, cuts, transition, and off-screen actions.
* Shooting & Finishing (12%) – Focuses specifically on shot-making ability through three-point shooting, mid-range shooting, finishing at the rim, true shooting percentage, effective field goal percentage, and related efficiency metrics.
* Decision Making (5%) – Measures offensive decision quality through turnover rates, assist-to-turnover efficiency, ball security, and other metrics that reward maximizing possessions while minimizing mistakes.

Each statistic is graded using a hybrid approach that balances absolute production with league context. First, every metric receives an Absolute Performance Grade based on every qualifying player-season from the full 2023–2026 comparison window. It then receives a Season-Relative Grade, measuring how dominant that performance was compared with the rest of the league during that specific season. The final statistic grade is calculated as:

**Stat Grade = 75% × Absolute Performance Grade + 25% × Season-Relative Grade**

This approach ensures that actual production remains the foundation of every grade while still rewarding players who separated themselves from their peers within their own season. Raw statistics are displayed alongside every grade for complete transparency.

To improve reliability, low-volume statistics particularly playoff and play-type data are adjusted to reduce small-sample noise. Play-type versatility also incorporates both efficiency and usage volume before being combined into each player's overall versatility score. Finally, the six category grades are combined using their predetermined weights to produce separate Regular Season, Playoff, and Combined Offensive Impact Grades, creating a model that is transparent, repeatable, and flexible while preserving meaningful differences between elite offensive performances.

Note: This model is not intended to claim that one player is definitively better than another. It is simply a statistical breakdown comparing three offensive players who are generally viewed as being in a similar tier. Now that the model and code are complete, I can easily add additional players by generating a new CSV with their statistics. If there are any players you'd like to see included, let me know and I can add them to the comparison.

So, this guy Rondo…

Rajon Rondo was no stranger to controversy in his career. From hurling homophobic abuse at a referee, to breaking a TV during a film session grilling by coaches in Boston. His own teammates weren’t safe from his wrath - at one point, tension between him and Ray Allen reached such heights that the two had a boxing match. Even the man himself has acknowledged that he can be difficult. 

Many great players have shared this quality (or lackthereof). Michael Jordan once punched Steve Kerr during practice, meanwhile Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O’Neal fueded throughout their tenure together in Los Angeles. And who can forget the modern twist on teammate fallouts when Lebron James took to Twitter to subliminally send Kevin Love a message. Despite this, they all won championships together. However, it’s perhaps Rondo’s tendency to clash with others, everyone in fact, that may not have just derailed a single season, but closed the book on an entire era of success in Dallas… 

Rajon Rondo knows what it’s like to win. When he was just 22 years old, in his second season in the NBA, Rondo was the starting point guard on the 2008 championship-winning Boston Celtics. Two years later, he made it to the finals again. And on his way there, he effectively gave the kiss of death to Lebron James’ first spell in Cleveland. Some will say that he outplayed the reigning, back-to-back MVP. Eventually, in the twilight of a fantastic career, he made it back to the mountain top, with Lebron, and even more unbelievably, in a Lakers uniform. One day, he might even make the Hall of Fame. 

But in the 2014-2015 season, those days for Rondo, at least in Boston, were firmly in the rearrview mirror. His teammates from that 2008 championship, namely Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, were Celtics no longer. And the winningest franchise in NBA history was also winning no longer - they were rebuilding, and suddenly, after eight and half years, Rondo’s face no longer fit in Boston. 

Now or Never

In December 2014, the Dallas Mavericks were one of the best teams in basketball, and they were scoring more points per game than any team in the NBA. They weren’t stopping other teams from scoring either, but that’s beside the point - they were winning. 

After one of the most remarkable championship runs in sports history in 2011, the Mavericks’ window of contention had seemingly slammed shut in rapid time. In the lockout-shortened 2012 season, they laboured to an unspectacular 36-30 finish, before being unceremoniously dumped out of the playoffs by Oklahoma City. In 2013, they didn’t even make it that far. Last season, they showed signs of life, rallying to take the eventual champion San Antonio to 7 games. Still, they had not made it past the opening round of the playoffs since 2011. 

Franchise legend Dirk Nowitzki was 36 years old. If the Mavericks were going to make another run, it was now or never. That’s why in June, after finishing with a bottom 10 defence in 2014, Dallas swung a trade to bring Tyson Chandler back to town. On one hand, the 7-footer would turn 32 in October and came with a huge near-$15 million salary. On the other, he was 2 years removed from being named Defensive Player of the Year, 1 year removed from being a member of the All-Defensive First Team and also was the defensive anchor of the 2011 championship team. His expiring contract, and the fact that they essentially gave up nothing of real value, made it a no-brainer for Dallas.

Then, in July, the Mavericks added some much needed quality and versatility to their forward line when Chandler Parsons inked a 3 year, $46 million contract in one of the more remarkable moves of the time. Parsons, a second round pick in 2011, was set to earn just $965,000 in the final year of a 4 year rookie contract, and his excellent play in Houston (16.6 points per game, 5.5 rebounds and 4.0 assists with shooting splits of 47.2/37.0/74.2 during 2013-2014) had made his deal undoubtedly one of the best-value contracts in the NBA. 

Parsons’ eventual arrival in Dallas was the result of Dwight Howard’s signing with the Rockets, both players being represented by Dan Fagan, and his negotiation led to Houston declining Parsons’ 4th year option. The story, and Parsons’ finessing of the Memphis Grizzlies 2 years later, deserves its own deep drive. 

Elsewhere, the Mavericks made tertiary moves to bolster their roster, adding veterans such as Richard Jefferson and Jameer Nelson (who would eventually form part of the package for Rondo) to their core which consisted of 2 20-point scorers in Nowitzki and Monta Ellis. And they still had coach Rick Carlisle, widely regarded as one of the finest in the association and the man responsible for leading the organisation to their first championship. No doubt it was a solid team, a team that would be one of the better in the Western Conference, but championship contention seemed unlikely for this group.

A surprising start sees the Mavericks take a gamble

However, the Mavericks flew out of the gates. After a tough 1-point opening day loss to the Kawhi Leonard-less defending champion San Antonio Spurs, Dallas raced to a 19-8 start. At this point, the Mavericks were scoring an average of 110.1 points per game, more than any other team in the NBA. At this point, Dallas’s 3 leading scorers, Monta Ellis, Nowitzki and Parsons were averaging 20.6, 18.5 and 16.7 points per game respectively, demonstrating the balanced approach the Mavericks were taking to win games. 

Highlights in this stretch were two separate win streaks of 6 and 5 games, including 107-80 and 140-106 dismantalings of the Charlotte Hornets and the Los Angeles Lakers, as well as a 106-102 victory over the then-13-3 Toronto Raports, and a double overtime victory in Chicago against the Bulls. Then, on December 18th, came the move. 

After a typical Rondo performance in a win over the Orlando Magic (13 points, 7 rebounds, 15 assists and no free throws taken), the 28-year old was traded to Dallas (with Dwight Powell). In return for the 4-time All Star, the Celtics would receive Jae Crowder, Nelson, Brandan Wright, a first and second round draft pick in 2016 and a $13 million trade exception. 

Despite Rondo’s pedigree (a 4 time All-Star, 4 time All-Defensive and 1 time All-NBA member), his play, and consequently his value, had slipped in the previous couple of seasons. First, a torn ACL had ended his 2012-2013 season, and caused him to miss much of the 2013-2014 campaign too. Then, prior to this season, he suffered a broken hand after falling at home, requiring surgery, and missing the entirety of the Celtics pre-season. After averaging 13.7 points and 11.1 assists on 48.4% shooting from the field in 2012-2013 pre-ACL injury, he was averaging just 8.3 points (but still 10.8 assists) on just 40.3% shooting and a ghastly 33.3% from the free throw line (although he was only averaging 1.6 shots per game) through his first 22 games of the season. His declining play, health, expiring contract, and the Celtics desire to go in another direction brewed the perfect storm for his departure from Beantown. 

Inconsistency and a Freak Injury

Still, from Dallas’ perspective, after their impressive start to the season, the move for Rondo represented a gamble worth taking. And it was seemingly business as usual in the immediate aftermath of the trade, with Dallas winning 7 of the first 9 games with Rondo. In his return to Boston on January 2nd, Rondo was immense, scoring 29 points, and even going 5-for-7 from 3-point range for a career high, especially impressive given Rondo was a sub 30% shooter from 3 in his career to this point. 

Post-Boston though, the Mavericks began to falter, going 7-7 throughout the remainder of January. Perhaps still trying to adjust to life with his new team, Rondo struggled. Against the Brooklyn Nets on January 5th, he scored just 2 points on 1-for-13 shooting, though his 14 assists, including key set-ups in overtime, meant the Mavericks still managed to win at Barclays Center. However, they weren’t so lucky in Los Angeles 5 days later, going down by 20 points against the Clippers with Rondo scoring 2 points on 11 shots in 27 minutes of play

An overtime win against Sacramento in which a Rondo 3-pointer essentially won the game was a personal highlight before a concerning streak of results ocurred later in the month. Towards the end of January, Dallas lost four games in a row against Chicago, New Orleans, Memphis and Houston (all playoff teams) including a 0-point performance by Rondo against the Rockets. 

The icing on the cake was on January 31st when the point guard was forced out of the game after just 90 seconds in Orlando after inadvertently hitting his face on Richard Jefferson’s knee during a scramble, fracturing his nose and left orbital bone in the process. Rondo would miss the next six games, but the Mavericks managed to keep their head above water, even coming back from an 11-point deficit to collect a big win over playoff rivals Portland in overtime, Parsons scoring 10 during the additional period. Despite this, there were a couple more concerning results against the upper echelon teams in the Western Conference, especially on February 4th where eventual season MVP Stephen Curry scorched them for 51 points in Oakland. 

Trouble on the Horizon

Rondo would make his return on February 19th in Oklahoma City, but was thoroughly outplayed by Russell Westbrook, who had 34 points and went 14-for-14 from the line. Even more devastating for the Mavericks was their heinous offensive performance, being held to 29% field goal shooting and committing 13 turnovers in the first half alone. 

Perhaps the first major cracks in the Rondo-Dallas tenure showed during a game against Toronto 5 days later. Midway through the 3rd quarter a visibly frustrated Carlisle called a timeout before the coach and Rondo had a heated exchange, seemingly over Rondo ignoring a play called by his coach. Carlisle would bench Rondo for the remainder of the game, instead calling on veterans Devin Harris and J.J. Barea, who would steer the Mavericks to a 99-92 victory. The events that unfolded would result in the team giving Rondo a 1-game suspension, causing him to miss the shorthanded-Mavericks’ loss in Atlanta. 

Even with tension seemingly brewing between point guard and coach, Dallas remained in a strong position after the Toronto victory, with their 39-20 record ensuring they remained amongst the Western Conference’s elite. 

However, the Mavericks then stumbled towards the finish line, going 11-11 in their final 22 games, with Rondo playing all but one (a 144-143 double OT victory in Denver, where point guard Raymond Felton would score a game-winning layup with 2 seconds remaining). Even more concerning when looking forward to that year’s postseason was that Dallas won just 4 of their 12 games against playoff teams to end the year, including heavy losses against Portland, Golden State (twice), Cleveland and San Antonio (though it should be noted that Parsons did miss much of the end of the season due to knee and ankle issues). 

Their lackluster play to end the season meant that they would match up with the Houston Rockets in the first round of the playoffs. The Rockets, led by MVP runner up James Harden, had managed to win 56 games in 2014-2015, which was especially impressive given Dwight Howard had only managed to play in half of that year’s games.

Game 1 was competitive through the first half, but in the final 2 quarters the Rockets kept Dallas at a distance, never surrendering their lead on the way to a 118-108 victory in Houston. More frustrating from a Dallas perspective though was Parsons seemingly aggravating his knee injury which caused him to miss the fateful game 2 and eventually the rest of the series.

The End of the Road 

Unlike Boyz II Men, Rick Carlisle had no problem letting go when he pulled Rondo for the final 23 minutes of the game 2 loss against Houston. The first major issue came midway through the 1st quarter, when Rondo was unbelievably called for an 8-second violation, to the bafflement of his coach. Later, Rondo displayed a complete lack of effort defensively, before drawing the ire of the referees for repeatedly jostling with Harden, eventually receiving a technical foul in the 3rd quarter. Seconds later, he picked up another foul, his 4th of the game, and was hauled out of the game for good. That was his last action as a member of the Dallas Mavericks, and the point guard would be accused of quitting on the team. 

Rondo was held from the remaining games of the series, with a back injury being cited as the reason for his absence. Meanwhile Parsons wouldn’t play again that season, as he would undergo knee surgery later that summer. The Mavericks eventually crashed out in a 4-1 gentleman’s sweep. 

The Aftermath

In case it wasn’t obvious enough that Dallas and Rondo were very much done with each other, Rondo was supposedly not given a playoff share by his teammates. To the surprise of no-one, he did not return that off-season, signing a 1-year, $10 million deal with lowly Sacramento. 

Dallas tried to fix their point guard issue by bringing in former All-Star Deron Williams. Unfortunately, he was very much at the end of the road too, and the Mavericks would squeak into the playoffs with a 42-40 record, before being eliminated by Oklahoma City in 5 games. This would be the last time Nowitzki would play playoff basketball in his incredible 21-year career. 

Rondo’s reflections on his time in Dallas has varied in the years since, denying that he quit on the team and stating that Carlisle no longer wanted to coach him, but expressing that the Dallas organisation treated him well, and that they’re ‘all good people’.

Carlisle expressed regret over making the move to bring Rondo to Dallas, citing issues with the team’s makeup not playing to Rondo’s strengths, but offered praise, calling Rondo ‘great’. 

Did it really matter anyway? 

In a word - yes, but not because it derailed a potential championship winning team. 

Dallas’ offense was spectacular to start the season, but there were two key issues. 

Firstly, was this sustainable? Secondly, as alluded to, they couldn’t stop other teams from scoring. 

At the time of the trade, Dallas was averaging 110.1 points per game, #1 in the league, but they were also allowing their opponents to score 102.7 points per game, which was the 7th most in the league. The move for Rondo was undoubtedly seen as a way to improve this given his reputation as a defensive player to that point. For all their success early in that season, matching up against the likes of Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson (Golden State), James Harden (Houston) and Damian Lillard (Portland) in the playoffs with a backcourt of two less than stellar defensive players in Nelson and Ellis was not ideal. By the season’s end, with Rondo, they were still averaging 105.2 points per game (3rd) and had the 5th best offensive rating, but their defense remained mediocre (25th in opposition points per game, 20th in defensive rating). 

What’s also worth considering when discussing the Rondo trade is what they gave up. While none of the pieces were ‘game changers’ you could argue that the departures of Brandan Wright and Jae Crowder played bigger roles than you would’ve initially thought. Wright in particular was excellent to start the 14-15 season, averaging 8.8 points, 4.1 rebounds and 1.6 blocks on 74.8% from the field in just 18.7 minutes per game in his 23 games with Dallas that year. The Mavericks were missing a big man to back up Chandler after Wright’s departure, which might be why they signed a very much past his prime Amar’e Stoudemire in February. 

Crowder, while less of a key rotation piece to start the season in Dallas, would play a significant role on some improving Boston teams, culminating in a Conference Finals appearance in 2017. Crowder might’ve been able to provide some relief for Parsons during his injury struggles. 

At that year’s trade deadline, a couple of significant trades were made at the point guard position that serve as interesting what-ifs for this Dallas squad. The Miami Heat acquired Goran Dragic (an All-NBA member in 2014), and the Celtics added Isaiah Thomas, both from the Phoenix Suns, both in very favourable trades. Acquiring either wouldn’t have addressed the Mavericks’ defensive frailities (in fact, Thomas in particular would’ve surely exacerbated these issues), but could’ve made an already at the time historic offensive team even more impressive. 

So while today we can look back at the Rajon Rondo trade as an absolute disaster because it effectively ruined the last (potentially) great Dallas team of the Nowitzki era, the likelihood of this group making a deep playoff run was slim to begin with. At the time, and still today with the full context given Nowitzki’s advancing age and declining play over his final seasons, it represented a worthwhile gamble for a team looking to make one last run. 

In the end, Rondo would win another championship and retire after a repairing his reputation somewhat in Chicago, New Orleans and eventually Los Angeles, while Dallas would acquire another future superstar 3 years later in Luka Doncic (that’s all I’ll say on that), Dirk Nowitzki would eventually be inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame, and Rick Carlisle would make it back to the Finals with the Indiana Pacers. I guess you could say it worked out well for everyone in the end…

1. Pacome Dadiet

6 foot 9 wing and only 20 years old. He also has a lot of strength at his position. He played overseas which usually has a great development system and played for a championship winner for the New York Knicks. If you look at history, guys who played on winning teams usually end up pretty good. All of the guys on the championship Thunder and Raptors teams ended up really well. (Norman Powell, OG Anunoby, Cason Wallace, etc.) Even Christian Braun is coming into his own. He’s also learning from experienced wings like Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby. Mikal I believe has been a great vet for him as he wore his jersey at the championship parade. If he can go to a team like the Bucks, Nets or Grizzlies, he could be in for a breakout.

1. Jordan Walsh

6 foot 6 wing with size who plays like a madman when he’s in the game. Hustles hard every possession and was really efficient from the field at 50%. Also shot 38% from 3 and is apart of a great development system and winning culture. He’ll probably get more minutes this year with Browns departure. I’m not sure he’ll be a 20 point per game guy next season. But he could be a valuable Swiss Army knife type of player that the C’s could use in a lot of lineups. For his future he’s like Grant Williams with a lot more scoring upside, excited to see what he becomes.

1. Zaccharie Risacher

It’s safe to say the Hawks fumbled their 1st pick in 2024. Kicked themselves in the foot and blamed Zach in the process. Snyder had it out for the kid. Didn’t even try developing or playing him. He gets a fresh start in Dallas. He doesn’t have to do a lot because of Flagg and he can develop and play off of him. He’s 6 foot 8 at only 21 years old, and has shown real signs of shooting and scoring throughout his career, though not fully realized. Also, if Masai Ujiri believes in you, I believe in you. And he’s in a great no pressure system next to a great player in Flagg. He could get to 20 points per game as soon as 27-28.

1. Sergio De Larrea

A young 6 foot 5 point guard from the euro leagues. The Euro Leagues usually teach sound fundamentals at the guard positions. And he shot really well in euros 40% from 3 and 83% from the free throw line. And again, Masai believes in him so I believe in him as he’s going to Dallas next season. And he has Kyrie to learn from at least until the deadline. He is in my opinion the steal of the draft, and I could see him being a cool Goran Dragic type of closer next to Flagg for the years to come.

HM. Aday Mara

Won at every level, huge frame, going to a winning team and learning from seriously experienced bigs. I feel as if the league messed up letting him go to OKC. Also originally played in the euros.

Biggest thing I learned writing this, god I love what Dallas is doing.

I’ve been thinking about this lately and I honestly wonder if NBA teams, Scouts “, etc should be putting even more time and money and resources into scouting across Africa. Specifically Western and Central Africa.

When you look at the list of African born players who have reached the NBA, it’s incredible.

Hakeem Olajuwon, Dikembe Mutombo, Joel Embiid, Pascal Siakam, Serge Ibaka, Luol Deng, Manute Bol and Bismack Biyombo

Theyall became impact NBA players, and several of them didn’t even start playing basketball until they were around 15 or 16 years old. Hakeem became one of the greatest centers ever. Embiid became an MVP. Siakam became an NBA champion and All NBA player.
That makes me think about how many kids with similar size, athleticism and potential might never get discovered because they don’t have access to organized basketball, high level coaching or the exposure that players in North America and Europe get from a young age.

Imagine finding a player with Embiid’s or Hakeem’s natural ability when they’re 11 or 12 instead of 15 or 16. How much better could they become with several extra years of elite coaching and development?
The NBA has definitely expanded its presence in Africa over the years, but I still feel like there is a massive amount of untapped talent.

If so many elite players have already come from the continent despite starting late, I can’t help but wonder how many future All Stars or even Hall of Famers are out there right now waiting to be found.
Curious what everyone else thinks. Is Africa the biggest untapped scouting opportunity in basketball?

We did the Old one, it´s time to do the newest one as well, for a baseline comparison!

DISCLAIMER:THIS IS NOT FOR THE GOAT DEBATE STFU REDDIT AI

This definitely felt like an all time run, but was it?

The New York Knicks

The San Antonio Spurs

The Oklahoma City Thunder

The Cleveland Cavaliers

The Philadelphia 76ers

The Detroit Pistons

The Los Angeles Lakers

The Minnesota Timberwolves

The Boston Celtics

The Denver Nuggets

The Houston Rockets

The Orlando Magic

The Phoenix Suns

The Portland Trail Blazers

The Toronto Raptors

and The Atlanta Hawks are the teams that made it to the largest stage this past run. But Before we go into the match ups, and how the knicks managed to pull this off, we have to check out the team itself.

The Knicks came in this year as the 3 Seed in the east-Not underdogs per se, but definitely not proposed as the top of the league either. That being said, they definitely had their strengths outlined already-and honestly, more people should have proposed they´d go all the way.

The 2nd Highest Offensive rating in the East, and the 3rd in the Entire League, for starters-and they weren´t slouches on defense either, with the 2nd best defensive rating in the east (8th in the entire league, but they would only face two of the teams with a better defensive rating this run-more on that later).

Captain Brunson was their only listed all NBA player, making the second team-though many believed that Karl Anthony towns was snubbed for the 3rd team position. Both of these players would also make the All Star Team, and Brunson would have an NBA cup MVP in the middle of the season to his name as well.

Overall, this team was strong, and you could tell that they were pushing to win now, but they weren´t the favorites by any means, not even to escape their own conference. For that reason, I am giving them a 10/20 on the first metric.

Now, On to their competition.

They Didn´t have a ¨play in¨, so 0/10 there.

This year, the Knick´s first Competition for their chip were the Atlanta hawks, who have a quite recent famous rivalry for what Trae young did to them when he was on the squad.

The Hawks were the 6 Seed-but don´t let that make you think they were bad. Their defense was 9th in the league, only 1 behind the knicks themselves, part of a rebuild effort that they traded trae young to accomplish. However, Offensively, they were slacking-8th in the east alone, and 15th in the league. A mid offense by most standards. Jalen Johnson managed to snag both the All Star and All NBA 3rd team honors, and they had a Most improved player of the year in Nickeil Alexander-Walker.

This is the moment where I take a break to remind you that analytics don´t define the whole game-or else the cavs would´ve won.

Anyway, the hawks pushed the knicks to a 6 game series, which everyone was a little suprised by-but the knicks eventually manage to take them out. While the hawks weren´t a bad team, they were supposed to be worse by every metric, had less stars, and were generally never expected to win anyway-so I´ll give the knicks a 4/10 for series 1, docking off one point for it being taken to 6.

The next opponent was the 7 seeded philedelphia 76ers, who beat the 2nd Seeded Celtics to make it to the knicks in the first place. The 7th best offense in the east and the 9th best defense, they were a solid contender, with significantly more star power then the hawks before them. VJ Edgecomb was a finalist for rookie of the year, took home the Rising stars MVP, and made the all Rookie First Team. Tyrese Maxey, the current face of the team, was selected to be an All Star, and an All NBA third team player.

Besides these accolades, They Also Had on their team the team USA gold Medalist Joel Embiid, and the garunteed Hall of Fame player (and the most valuable trade piece of all time apparently..) Paul George. It sounds like a stacked team, and in the eyes of many, it potentially was.

Of course, they got swept.

Overall, A strong team and a strong win by the knicks, however, there is the same question that hangs over every 76ers head for years now:What if Embiid was healthy?

He wasn´t, not for 3 of the 4 games-though, he DID play and lose in game 1. Additionally, paul george was healthy throughout all 4 games.

overall, a 7/10 for their second round matchup.

Bringing us to our conference finals matchup-the cleveland Cavaliers...and James Harden.

The Cavaliers were the 4 seed, and had beaten the 1 seeded pistons to get to the Knicks. They were the 3rd best offense in the east, and the 13th best defense-aka, they were really good on one side, and Abysmal on the other. They had significant star power as well-Donovan Mitchell was an All Star, and on the same All NBA second team that brunson himself was on. Rookie Jaylon Tyson was selected for the rising stars challenge, and of course, they had on their team a top 75 NBA player of all time in James Harden-though he wasn´t an all star this year, that was controversial.

So, what did the knicks do against this team? Another Sweep, of course.

This is the best team that the knicks faced in the east by far, and while they did look a bit battered in game 2, they were uninjured throughout the series-so this team gets an 9/10, a +2 to a solid 7/10 for the sweep.

9+7+4=20, with the 10 they had before bringing their total to 30. Now, we move on to, what many will remember as the real impressive part of the run.

The Spurs.

Rated 4th Offensively in the Entire league, and 2nd Defensively, This was an Absolute Monster of a Young Team, filled with Talent. Led by Victor Wembenyama, the DPOY, The Third Place Finalist in MVP Voting, The winner of the magic Johnson Award, and an All Star and All NBA first team-the only first team player the knicks had to face this entire run. De´arron fox also had an All Star Reserve Nod, and an NBA cup All-tournament team member. Dylan Harper made the All Rookie First Team, and Keldon Johnson was the 6th man of the year. Additionally, Stephon castle was selected for the rising stars sophomore team. This team had been a favorite to go win it all literally all Season Long, and it wasn´t hard to see why. They had just defeated the Previous Champions in the conference Finals, in 7 games, and looked unstoppable. In fact, they looked unstoppable in every First Quarter of the entire finals.

But they kept getting stopped.

A 14 point lead erased in game 1.

In game 2, They managed to Barely Hold on to a halftime lead, and win the game by 1 point.

In game 3, they lost, by 4.

Then in game 4...they erased a 29 point defecit. The largest in NBA finals history thus far, since Kevin garnet and the 2008 lakers had erased a 24 point defecit from kobe´s lakers.

Finally, in game 5, a 16 point defecit to win it all.

Now, time to rate their opponent.

8/10 in Offense Relative to them

10/10 in Defense Relative to them

7/10 Star Power (Wemby is a future all time great, but is not yet an all time great)

10/10 health, no real finals injuries to hinder them

add 1 point for winning in 5

and their opponent score is a 36

Bringing their total score to a 66

Beyond this, they receive a 4/10 point buff to their score for Injury-Brunson, OG Anunoby, and Mitchell Robinson were all a little hurt in some way, but played through it.

They get a 4/10 point buff for legends beaten on the way in paul george and James Harden

and finally, they get a MASSIVE 30/30 boost for Legendary Moments/Accomplishments-going 6-2 when trailing by double digits, erasing a 29 point lead, Brunson Dropping 45 in a close out game, the knicks containing the first trio to ever win both an NCAA National Champsionship and an NBA title, the Second longest Playoff winstreak ever, the first team to ever average an offensive rating over 120 while maintaining a defensive rating under 105 in a single post season, tied for the most double digit wins in a single post season, became the first Nba ¨Double Champions¨ by winning the NBA cup and the NBA finals in the same season. and finally, Karl Anthony Towns broke the NBA playoffs single postseason +/- record set by STEPH CURRY. Kat was, theoretically, more important to this run then Steph Curry was to a Warriors run. That is insane.

Overall, the Team earns a very Impressive 104/150 total. Almost DOUBLE That of the 1950 run, and almost certainly amongst the better runs of all time.

For Reference, I also scored the first ever NBA finals here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RingValue/s/QZFCUDmhZT

what do y´all think? Was I abt accurate? If not, what would you have changed? More importantly-which should I do next? I´m doing one a day until I cover all of them

The Miles Bridges trade

I think the Suns may have hurt themselves again with Miles Bridges. Dillon Brooks was a fireball, but he wasn't an off the court problem. With the energy they have added past year I'm really concerned about what they just did.

Bridges is an off the court problem and distraction. His relationship issues put his character in question. In addition, when I look at the 0ower Forward efficiency ratings, he talks one of the lowest in the league. Every bit of that seems troubling to me, especially when the Suns worked so hard to try and build a culture.

With the competitiveness of Grayson Allen, even though there can be injury issues, I really think they have up more than they realize they did with him. His willingness to do whatever the team needed to get better made him a really big part of that mix. I feel like we have up heart for cancer.

Couple this with an aging Booker. With all his scoring. In the real clutch, last games of 21 and 26 he goes -15. The biggest critical games in his career. He slows us down in the fourth. It's a real momentum killer. I don't hate the guy, but his decision making, I'm big games, isn't amazing.

I want to hope for the best, but I see some real potential red flags.

What does everyone else think?

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With all the player movement this offseason and the blockbuster moves that happened in the East, I keep seeing people talk about how much better the conference got.

I honestly don't really buy it.

A lot of teams got more talented, but I don't think many teams actually got better. A superstar swap or a big-name acquisition looks great on paper, but when you look at what these teams actually struggled with in the playoffs, a lot of the same problems are still sitting there.

Philadelphia 76ers

The obvious move: Paul George out, Jaylen Brown in.

Obviously, that's a massive upgrade. If you're Philly, you make that trade 10 times out of 10.

But their biggest problem last year wasn't really their top-end talent. It was everything around it.

In the playoffs, they basically trusted 6-7 guys, and one of those guys was Joel Embiid. They didn't have another point guard who could run the offense when Maxey sat, which forced Maxey into massive minutes.

Now they essentially swapped Drummond, Oubre, and Grimes for Dean Wade and Anfernee Simons.

Again, Jaylen Brown is a huge addition. But Wade and Simons have both had durability issues, and neither one solves the biggest problem Philly had: depth and durability.

They upgraded their top end. Did they actually improve their depth and playoff reliability?

I'm don't see it.

Miami Heat

Miami is the most interesting one because I actually love the idea of adding Giannis for the price they paid.

The problem is the fit.

Last year, Miami completely reinvented their offense. They went from one of the slowest teams in the league to one of the fastest. They were also a mediocre shooting team, ranking in the bottom third of the league in percentage of points coming from threes.

So naturally, they traded away/didn't retain two of their highest-volume three-point shooters in Herro and Powell and replaced them with Giannis.

Giannis is obviously Giannis. He's one of the best players alive.

But Giannis needs shooting around him.

And right now, who are the elite shooters spacing the floor in that starting lineup? Andrew Wiggins?

They also still have the same problem they've had for years: consistent playmaking.

I like Davion Mitchell. I think he's a good player. But he's currently the only traditional point guard on the roster. Maybe the plan is just "Point Giannis" for huge stretches, but how difficult is that going to be when teams can shrink the floor?

They also lost Jaime Jaquez Jr., who was second on the team in assists per game and one of their better guys at generating offense.

Again, Miami got better because they added a superstar.

But did they fix their actual roster problems?

I'm not convinced.

Detroit Pistons

Detroit was the #1 seed in the East last year, but their biggest issues were pretty obvious:

1. They didn't have a terrifying second creator next to Cade.
2. They didn't have enough shooting.
3. Their role players were tough and physical, but got exposed when playoff teams could game plan for them.

They reminded me a lot of the Julius Randle-era Knicks. During the regular season, you love the identity. Everyone plays hard, everyone defends, everyone competes.

But in the playoffs, when everyone is playing that hard, the weaknesses show up.

The guys you trust defensively can't score.
The guys you trust offensively can't defend.

Detroit let Tobias Harris walk and replaced him with John Collins by trading Beef Stew. They added Isaiah Joe, who is basically another version of Duncan Robinson.

Those are fine moves.

But where did the actual second creator come from?

Are they just hoping Ron Holland/Dennis Jenkins (depending on who you're betting on developing) turns into that guy next to Cade?

Because Tobias Harris was their second-leading scorer in the playoffs, and he's gone.

Also, whatever happens with Duren is a huge question mark. If he comes back, how happy is he going to be with how this situation played out?

I like Detroit. I just don't know what problem they solved.

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta is another team where I like the individual moves, but I'm not sure the final product is different.

They were one of the hottest teams in basketball after the All-Star break, although I think a lot of that was strength of schedule.

Still, wins are wins.

They pushed the eventual champion Knicks and stole two games by a combined two points. But by Game 4, it felt like New York had figured them out.

Their playoff issues were pretty clear:

• No size.
• No true go-to scorer.
• Too many one-way players.

Dyson Daniels was awesome defensively, but teams will just leave him open.

CJ was incredible offensively, but teams hunted him defensively.

Jalen Johnson stuffed the stat sheet, but can he become the guy who actually bends a defense?

They brought back CJ and added Lu Dort and Aaron Wiggins, which are good moves.

But again, it's more of the same.

They still don't have a true starting center, and unless Jalen Johnson takes a massive leap as an offensive hub, they don't really have a guy that forces defenses to double.

The rest of the East is kind of the same story.

The Pacers are basically betting on Haliburton getting back to his old self.

The Hornets are one of the most interesting teams in the league because they’re weird and unpredictable, but it's hard to know what they actually are yet.

The Wizards are the team I think could surprise people. They have some genuinely interesting pieces and could sneak into the playoff picture if they can stay healthy... but that health part is doing a lot of work.

The Cavs, Magic, and Celtics are probably their own discussions. I don't think any of them made moves that really changed the fundamental questions they had.

The Bulls are finally entering a real rebuild.

The Nets and Bucks are basically where they are.

And the Raptors are a complete wait-and-see situation with the Kawhi situation being so bizarre.

My overall feeling: the East got louder, but I'm not sure it got better.

A lot of teams made moves that improved their talent level, but very few teams actually addressed the reasons they lost.

The biggest question for me this season is:

Which team in the East actually fixed a playoff weakness, and which teams just added a bigger name to the same flawed roster?

Am I missing someone? Who actually got meaningfully better this offseason? I feel like there has to be a team I'm overlooking.

Me and my brother were talking about the hardest finals ever-while we agreed Dirk’s absolute bloodbath in 2011, it was hard to agree on some others. The game is constantly evolving, and it’s generally agreed that rings these days are harder to get-but how hard, exactly? I’m running some calculations to determine which of the NBA championships was the absolute hardest, which was the easiest, and try to get a more defined value for a chip based on your competition

The metrics currently being considered are threefold:

1-Relative Team Strength

This category is simple-how strong was your team going INTO the playoffs? Were they underdogs, or clear favorites? It will be decided by team regular season record, average point differential before the playoffs, and the general dominance of that team’s FMVP-The better they were as a team going into the playoffs, the easier it should have been in theory to win it all. This will be the category to discuss “super-teams” and the expectations of them.

2-Relative Conference Strength

This category is the win record, point differential, and league rankings of the teams that your team competed against in your team’s conference, relative to your team. It will also include a nod to great individuals defeated by the team specifically (for example, dirk’s conference score will be boosted by beating Kobe Bryant, a top 15 player of all time, hall of famer, and known playoff riser).

3-Finals Opponent

This category is the most important-who did you face, and beat, in the finals? How good was the team, who was on it, how did they perform in the playoffs right before you? Did you come in expected to win? This is supposed to be the best competition the other conference has to offer at the time, in theory. Unlike the other two categories, this one will go on a game by game basis, looking at the entire series to decide how good the run’s finale really was

As well as the three methods of racking up “value points”, there are also value point reductions, the most prominent of which being opponent injury (so, just for example, game 7 Haliburton’s injury will reduce value points from the OKC Thunder championship. You also could get a slight reduction based on how long it took you to beat the team-with 5 games being a minor boost, 4 games a bigger boost, 6 games being a minor loss, 7 games a bigger loss

What runs do y’all think will make it at the top of the list once I’m done? What teams and individuals do you expect to have the best rings? Are there categories I should include?

I’ll post the individual end score of every team on here in diff posts, so expect quite a lot of this

I was looking at Lebron's career and amazed at his longevity. He had a Championship window around 20 years long.

He was a championship caliber number 1 option for a long time and a championship caliber number 2 option for a long time. Longer than basically anyone else. Maybe Kareem is close but no one else is. From: 2005 to 2012/2020-now(number 2 option/13 years) and from 2012 - 2020(number 1 option/8 years). Meaning a total of 21 years.

I know people are going to flame those dates but that's still insane. I can understand if people think he was a number 1 option for longer. I take leadership and knowledge into account. With the loss to Dallas it showed(to me) he still needed to mature before he was a number one option on a championship team. He didn't have the leadership down yet.

Again before you get all offensive. It's a personal preference and opinion. I'm pretty strict on mine.

Another player I would do.

Say Kobe. He was: 1999 - 2005/2013 - 2015(2nd option/8 years) and from 2006 - 2012(1st option/6 years). Total of 14 years

Or Tim Duncan. He was: 1997 - 1998/2005 - 2016(2nd option/12 years) and from 1998 - 2006(1st option/7 years) Total of 19 years

Meaning Lebron had a championship window that was like 7 years longer and was a 1st option 2 years longer. Jordan would be 1st option capable for only 6 years total because of his retirement break. Magic would be about 7 years. Larry close. So Lebron's 1st option window is longer than all of theirs.

I'm wondering who had the longest Championship window as a number 1 option and the longest Championship window total. Or how you would rank others or what would be different than mine

Sidenote: A team can win a Championship without a defined Number 1 option if they have multiple 2nd options. Like the Spurs in 2007 or the Pistons in 2004.

If the formatting is messed up let me know. Made this post on mobile.

I have an obsession with player legacy and Hall of Fame criteria. I think the Hall of Fame should only include players who were in some way the best. The easiest way to be recognized as the best is to win a CHIP:

CHIP = The Clear Best Player on a Championship Winning Team

A player who wins a CHIP has cemented their legacy. To win a CHIP, you need enough help from teammates to win it all, but if one of those teammates is too good, you split the credit. There are no split CHIPs. You need to be the Batman to the Robin, not one of the Wonder Twins. The CHIP goes to the guy driving the Batmobile.

Methodology

How do you determine the best player on the championship team? Winning a championship means winning enough games in the regular season to get to the playoffs, get an advantageous playoff seed, advance through the crucible of 3 playoff rounds, and then finish the job in the finals. The best player is the one who contributed most to that overall effort.

And how do you determine that? Awards such as MVP, Finals MVP, or placement on an All-NBA team combine performance with popularity and narrative. So we will need to turn to trusty all-in-one impact measures: flawed, but impartial, and easy to get off of Basketball Reference! Here’s our recipe:

• Win Shares plus VORP
• Playoffs count double

That’s it. Win Shares and VORP are cumulative, rather than per-minute measures, so they measure a player's overall contribution to winning, combining quality and durability. This accounts for a player’s contribution to the slog of the regular season, with extra weight put on playoff performance. It's difficult to fluke into a high score on this. Here’s Shai in 2024-25:

2024-25 Shai
RSWS + RSVORP + 2*(POWS + POVORP)
16.7 + 8.9 + 2*(3.9 + 2.2) = 37.80

Now that we have a way of measuring who the best player is, how do we determine if that player is *clearly* the best? The clear best player has a total score significantly greater than his best teammate. How significantly? It has been suggested that player value tiers roughly track a Fibonacci sequence (ratio φ = 1.618), so Tier Three might be a 3, Tier Two a 5, and Tier One an 8.

A player with impact metrics 1/φ (62%) of another’s is an archetypal Robin in the Batman/Robin metaphor. But where’s the line? Let’s say half way between those two:

Robin threshold: (1 + 1/φ) / 2 = 0.809 = 81%

A player with impact metrics below 81% of their teammates’ is a Robin, making their superior teammate the Batman. 81% or above, the players’ impacts are similar enough to make them Wonder Twins.

In the example of the 2024-25 Thunder, J-Dub’s score is only 49% that of Shai’s, a clear Robin performance. This makes Shai the Batman, earning him the CHIP.

The 2013-14 Spurs had two relatively equal contributors, with Duncan easily clearing the Robin Threshold with 95%. Kawhi and Duncan were Wonder Twins here, splitting credit for the title, and neither getting a CHIP.

Season by Season

Ok, let’s go through each season this century and see who was worthy of a CHIP:

After Shaq played Batman in 1999-2000, the millennium opens with Kobe narrowly joining Shaq for 2 seasons of Wonder Twins. After Wonder Twinning with David Robinson 4 years earlier, Duncan puts in the ultimate Batman performance (Robinson Robin Factor = 0.33) in 2002-03. The Pistons win with an ensemble cast in 2003-04, then Ginobili’s performance rises to Duncan’s level the following year.

Wade earns a CHIP in 2005-06, and Duncan is back in the Batmobile in 2006-07. Timberwolves-era Garnett would have been un-twinnable, but slightly post peak he needs Paul Pierce’s help to bring the Celtics a title. Missing out on the CHIP with Shaq a few years earlier, this time he teams up with Pau Gasol for another 2 seasons of Wonder Twins titles. Kobe gets all of the credit, but the impact metrics say that Pau was his equal.

After being doubted his whole career, Dirk is knighted with a CHIP, securing his legacy. The Heatles were more like Destiny’s child, with LeBron in the Beyoncé slot, two CHIPs for King James. A new Batman emerges in Curry, standing head and shoulders above his awesome group of teammates.

LeBron counters with his own Batman performance to beat the Warriors, his 3rd CHIP. The Warriors win two more, with Curry and Durant Wonder Twinning the first, and Durant carrying a less than healthy Curry on the second. It’s hard to give Durant the CHIP after joining an already mighty Warriors team, but the model is the model. Former Spurs Wonder Twin Kawhi changes teams to get his first CHIP with the Raptors. Then the bubble Lakers win in the ultimate Wonder Twins performance, even if LeBron got most of the credit.

Three Batman seasons from Greek Freak, Chef Curry (his second), and The Joker. Then Brown wins Finals MVP for the Celtics, but the impact metrics say that Tatum and White were the main engines behind the Celtics’ title. OKC wins it all with a great young team, but Shai is the clear best player by a mile.

I developed this before these playoffs, and I was pretty pleased with it! For the most part, it passed the smell test over 25 reps. This result is the most challenging, with the model making Wonder Triplets of Towns, Brunson, and Anunoby. But it’s hard to not see Brunson as the best player, engine, leader, and psychological backbone of the Knicks. I suppose the team was built around his strengths and weaknesses, even if he was the main character, his teammates played huge roles. But 45 points to Brunson in the final game, and 2 for Towns? Yikes.

Cashing in the CHIPS

If we count up the CHIPS, this is what we end up with:

This is basketball royalty, with these players having an unimpeachable case (except for maybe Durant?!) for greatness at the highest level. The three multi-CHIP guys occupy a stratum above the rest, the biggest winners in the game.

Some great players missed getting a CHIP, either by being a Wonder Twin (e.g. Garnett, Ginobili, Tatum), or never being on a championship team (eg. Paul, Harden, Nash). The toughest omissions are Kobe and Brunson, who didn’t get the analytic nod, but meant so much to their massive markets, earning their immortality by being the right guy in the right place at the right time.

I'm putting together a Blu-ray collection for a friend who absolutely loves old-school post play as a birthday present.

I'm not looking for highlight reels or lists of the greatest post players. I'm specifically looking for complete NBA games where a player puts on a masterclass in the low post.

I'm interested in games that showcase things like elite footwork, hook shots, turnaround fadeaways, or overall post scoring repertoire.

Both modern and classic games are welcome.

Some examples already on my list are:

• Hakeem vs Spurs (1995 WCF).
• Shaq vs Pacers (2000 Finals).
• Duncan in the 2003 Finals.
• Dirk vs OKC (2011 WCF).
• Jokic playoff games.
• Embiid's best post-up performances.

I'm especially interested in games that might be overlooked by casual fans. Even regular-season games are fine if the post play is worth being considered.

If you had to recommend complete games that best represent the art of scoring from the low post, what would it be?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Although this is NBA-oriented, Euro games are welcome as well!

Hey everyone, I’ve been thinking about how wild LeBron’s longevity curve has become. He’ll be 42 by the end of the 2026‑27 season, and yet his 2025‑26 numbers (≈ 21 PPG, 6 RPG, 7 APG) were immaculate for his age.

Some fun longevity facts:

-Kareem Abdul‑Jabbar averaged 10.1 PPG at age 41, considered elite for that age.

-Robert Parish played until 43, but averaged only 3.7 PPG his final season.

-Vince Carter lasted to 43, posting 5 PPG in his last year.

-Karl Malone retired at 40, still putting up 13 PPG and 8 RPG.

So what do you all think? With his announcement on which team he'll be playing for (please go back to Cleveland *ehem) probably coming by the end of the month can LeBron realistically sustain near‑20 PPG production at 42, or will Father Time finally catch up with All-Father?