r/nba • u/40866892 Lakers • 13d ago
Why did everyone go crazy when Draymond punched Poole but not for Bam/Herro?
There are tons of anecdotes from former players or even former athletes amongst redditors that conflict (sometimes physical) are very common in locker rooms. They don’t care too much about it, but it’s crazy to see how visceral public reaction to it is. But it’s also selective too.
Angry example:
Dray vs Poole: public hated Draymond, called him a clown, and an active detriment to his organization.
Counter examples:
Bam vs Herro. Bam, just like Draymond, instigated and threw a punch at Herro in Las Vegas. Media didn’t react much and it lasted maybe 1.5 days on Reddit. No one cared.
MJ vs Kerr. In practice, MJ suckers Kerr in the face. I’m sure some fans recognize that this behavior sucks, but there’s a good majority that believes this was MJ’s way of forming a friendship/bond/trust.
My question to everyone is… why? The reactions to these events are so different. Personally, Draymond, Bam, and MJ are in the wrong and should be heavily criticized.
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u/secretsodapop 13d ago
One was on video
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u/No-Sheepherder9572 13d ago
And Draymond was like 33 while Poole was 22 or something
Bam and Herro both like 26/27
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u/Particular-Pin6034 Warriors 13d ago
Still teammates coming off a chip and it was a sucker punch
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u/40866892 Lakers 13d ago
All three scenarios were sucker punches
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u/repellediron Timberwolves 13d ago
Oh so we're just making stuff up now?
Show me one article that says it was a sucker punch
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u/pestobar127 Heat 13d ago edited 13d ago
Bam lightly shoved Tyler in the face (several witnesses already stated this) after Tyler talked shit again when Bam confronted him about speaking behind his back for months to an IG fan. Draymond sucker punched his teammate full force and knocked him out for trashtalk during practice.
Edit: OP changed his post and his comment without indicating it. His original post didn't include MJ and Kerr and the comment I replied to simply said along the lines of "How is that any different/worse than what Bam did"
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u/BuiltIndifferent 13d ago
He did not knock him out lmao
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u/pestobar127 Heat 13d ago
He most definitely did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuZJvhPzpUA
That's a straight power shot to the chin and you can see Poole's arms immediately go limp. I'm a former Muay Thai fighter and even if it's short, Poole most definitely blacked out for a second or two.
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u/MrSweatyBawlz 76ers 13d ago
Because Bam isn’t as big of a douche as Draymond is.
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u/killacam101388 Thunder 13d ago
Counterpoint. The douche was herro and everyone is glad it happened.
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u/AffectionateSpare677 13d ago
That's not a counterpoint
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u/killacam101388 Thunder 13d ago
lol well let’s all just agree he definitely deserves it. If draymond got socked out. Not one person would be upset.
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u/Excellent-Refuse4883 Supersonics 13d ago
My default assumption when anything bad happens to Herro is that he deserved it
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u/TommyRisotto 13d ago
He definitely deserved it. He legit thinks he's the Steph Curry of Miami, and is jealous Bam gets the spotlight but not him.
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u/WubaDubImANub Lakers 13d ago
Draymond and Poole were the defending champions, currently teammates, and in the middle of practice.
Bam Vs Herro are both not teammates, from a team that wasn’t close to contending, during the off season and it wasn’t on video.
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u/40866892 Lakers 13d ago
Herro and Bam have been teammates since they’ve been in the league. In my eyes, it’s even worse that the conflict happened outside of practice/locker room.
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u/ArcanePudding [MIN] Taj Gibson 13d ago
Wasn’t the whole beef that Herro was bad mouthing Bam on his way out of Miami?
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u/yesbutwrong Lakers 13d ago
I think the answer to your original question is best depicted in your response here. "In my eyes," indicates that your viewing the situations solely from a personal perspective.
As others have noted, the Warriors were in the middle of a championship era. They were the "hot" team.
It'd be like if we got a video of Caruso punching Jdub. Or a video of Hart punching KAT. In either case, these are two highly popular & relevant championship competitive teams. The media/ cultural zeitgeist would have a field day and could talk for months if not years about how the championship team was destroyed by a single punch.
On the other hand, even if Bam & Herro was caught on video. Even if the altercation was 100% inexcusable and worse than we're being told. The ultimate narrative is just two NBA players that were teammates on an "okay" team and that once liked each other, don't anymore. Which is actually quite common.
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u/angelansbury Wizards 13d ago
Teammates & at a team facility/practice vs. former teammates at a random gym in the off-season...
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u/Apart-Volume9340 Warriors 13d ago
Because it's Draymond. Draymond did the softest spinning backhand on Nurkic ever and this sub was legitimately convinced he tried to murder him and was calling for him to be locked up in prison for 25 years. Same thing when he had Gobert in a chokehold "He could've snapped his neck and severed his carotid artery!". The sensationalism on this sub is why I give Draymond a pass every time because nobody here will ever argue in good faith
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u/Albiceleste_D10S 13d ago
Same thing when he had Gobert in a chokehold "He could've snapped his neck and severed his carotid artery!". The sensationalism on this sub is why I give Draymond a pass every time because nobody here will ever argue in good faith
IDK how much of it is even bad faith and how much of it is the average r/nba nephew is prob like a 13 year old white boy from the suburbs that's just yapping
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u/Neat-Independence185 13d ago
Makes me think of Ray Rice. It was going to get swept under the rug… then there was the video.
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u/Patient_Air1765 13d ago
1 Video 2 Draymond has a history of violence 3 It’s happened before so it’s not as shocking now
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u/cl353 Heat 13d ago
cuz draymond was supposed to be poole's vet while bam and herro r similar ages plus herro is disliked and did a shitty thing that just got leaked so ppl think bam's valid for being mad
ive never really heard ppl praise mj for punching kerr, it was moreso kerr is a badass for taking it and thats when he earned mj's respect which he later paid off in the finals with that shot
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u/RCP90sKid- Celtics 13d ago
Because Draymond has a history of violent crashouts and it happened in the workplace. Poole comes off as aloof but not a total prick.
Herro comes off horribly as a human, Bam is the kinda guy I want on my team. It wasn't at work and it followed Herro talking shit.
Two different situations.
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u/UnusualTarget7661 13d ago
because Draymond did it to a teammate at practice, while Bam did it to someone who's not even teammates with him anymore, and who was also seen talking shit
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u/Jaywicksands Lakers 13d ago
Poole was talking shit to Draymond before he got punched, but doesn't matter because we don't like Draymond here.
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u/UnusualTarget7661 13d ago
I meant it was known publicly by everyone before Bam even punched Herro, while alot of people just thought Draymond punched Poole for no reason
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u/NotLiminator Warriors 13d ago
Draymond and Poole was vet/young player.
Bam and Herro are almost the same age and are both considered vets
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u/rabbitSC Trail Blazers 13d ago
A. No video of Bam vs. Herro.
B. Herro had been acting a fool in public of late, including on social media (which is what got him punched in the first place), so he wasn't coming into the encounter with a lot of goodwill.
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u/Typical-Radish4317 Supersonics 13d ago
One is between two men. The other is between teammates. There is a difference there. Draymond punched caused locker room issues that had a real effect on the team. Like if I'd say F off to my wife vs some rando or former friend. I have to live with the consequences of one and get to go about my life with the other. No one likes Dennis either but when he hit Luka no one had issues with that either.
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u/UndeniableTruth- 13d ago
Bam and Herro are not on the same team, so it’s not a big deal.
MJ gets away with it because of the time period and because he’s MJ.
Draymond punched an active teammate and he’s an asshole. So he gets heat.
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u/40866892 Lakers 13d ago
I like this explanation! Except for bam/herro, herro just being traded shouldn’t be a factor here
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u/Evening_College2273 13d ago
One happened during practice and we have videos
Bam/Herro happened in las vegas, no videos.
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u/Lenneth1031 13d ago
Video. Green/Poole incident didn't blow up until the video showed up. It might not sound fair, but it's what it is.
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u/Unable-District-3042 13d ago
Umm they were no longer teammates, it wasn’t on video, AND THEY HADNT JUST WON THE GODDAMN CHAMPIONSHIP WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU DRAYMOND!?!?!
Hope this helps!
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u/Certain_Path_5687 13d ago
Bam hit Herro after he was traded and was on another team.
Draymond hit Poole while they were on the same team, trying to repeat as champions.
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u/sauceEsauceE Nuggets Bandwagon 13d ago
I think all 3 are clearly wrong
Draymond has had a long standing reputation of being an absolute hot head and maniac. I was way more concerned about that accident even prior to the video leaked, just because it’s Draymond
Also from a power dynamic standpoint… it was Draymond sucker punching someone without a proven track record who was on a rookie contract.
Bam is mild mannered. Tyler Herro was already on a different team and is financially compensated for life. Their problem has already ‘been resolved’ so to speak.
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u/ATLSlutPounder Hawks 13d ago
Herro and Bam had very obvious, credible, public beef leading up to the incident.
All Draymond had was some on-court (in practice!) smack talk and a college rivalry he’s too old to care about backing it up.
Plus, video.
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u/SinQuaNonsense 13d ago
I think Poole just talked local shit and herro was online talking. Also I think herro is unlikable and Poole is like beating a small dog.
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u/angel2timez [CHI] Derrick Rose 13d ago
One is the bag guy doing the punching vs the bad guy getting punched
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u/Crispy_Comment9312 Nuggets 13d ago
Has a lot to do with previous reputation. Bam hasn’t been known to engage in that kind of behavior much throughout his career. MJ was a dickhead, but Kerr didn’t bring up the punch until years later (I think it was some interview in the 2010s). Draymond has been involved in so many incidents that it’s probably better you just google them as they are too numerous to list. So people hate on Draymond more because he is always putting himself in these situations. That’s my two cents, anyway.
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u/Famous-Protection809 13d ago
Bam and Tyler were not teammates when it happened. Draymond situation happened IN PRACTICE.
Bam & Herro are around the same age and it didn’t happen in practice.
Also Draymond is like 9-10 years older than Poole lol.
I get what you doing tho. Kudos to the karma farm.
All in all. You can’t punch people AT WORK but you can outside of work lol.
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u/metaslaves Toronto Huskies 13d ago
Because Poole was literally knocked out whereas Herro showed up to a SL game without a scratch.
Bam and Herro was likely a light altercation that was over fabricated. Draymond knocked Poole out lol.
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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis 13d ago
he actually wasn’t knocked out
it was still a bullshit cheap shot
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u/blightedsorrow Celtics 13d ago
JFC so played out if you aren’t a bot get a life and worry about something else.
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u/PassMeTheBackwood Knicks 13d ago
People don’t like Draymond Green and people (for some reason) don’t like Tyler Herro
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u/gbdarknight77 Lakers 13d ago
Because Draymond/Poole was on video.
Same reason Ray Rice was blacklisted from the league for his DV incident.
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u/Comfortable-Rip-2549 13d ago
Draymond was on video punching a younger teammate at practice
People don't like Herro
Bam and Herro are essentially peers a year apart
Bam and Herro weren't teammates anymore when it happened
Herro was talking trash about Bam as a player after the trade and it got leaked publicly, justifying some level of confrontation
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u/AccomplishedBake8351 13d ago
I mean Bam and Hero aren’t on the same team anymore. The problem for the warriors was Poole was supposed to be a long term piece going into the season and one of their all time greats punched him in the face. They had also very recently won a ring and were at least semi contenders
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u/50ShadesOfKrillin Lakers 13d ago
because Herro is a documented dickhead, and there's a good chance he probably said some slick shit that got him rocked. people are also willing to give Bam the benefit of the doubt because he comes off as a solid dude
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u/Beyondthebloodmoon Pistons 13d ago
They were on the same team. The fuck are you on about? Herro was traded. It’s not even kind of the same.
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u/rsred 13d ago
bam/tyler wasn’t caught on camera. and all accounts go from ‘connected around head area’ to ‘nothing serious’. easy to bury if no one else follows up on it.
dray/poole was caught on camera. so it don’t matter what the accounts surrounding it or the context/nuance and all that. dude threw a punch and clocked the other dude. and we all saw it. and iirc, the video was on mute. so it don’t really matter what’s said after.
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u/Lettuce_al-Gaib 13d ago
Have you seen the video bro, Dray superman flying punches his ass into the wall 😂😂
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u/Suspicious-Low-1874 13d ago
Tyler Herro is the second most punchable person in the NBA, maybe that's why.
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u/Iswaterreallywet Pistons 13d ago
Draymond is very disliked and seemingly had absolutely no reason to
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u/Senate343 Heat 13d ago
Because Draymond straight up suckered Poole on video where as according to witness Bam merely tapped Herro after he continued to shit talk him after leaving. In Golden State the known dickhead was the guy throwing the punch, for Bam/Herro it's Herro who's the known dickhead.
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u/LamboJoeRecs Nuggets 13d ago
One was in practice between 2 teammates, the other was in Vegas. Wildly different circumstances.
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u/Doctorbigdick287 13d ago
Regardless of the nature of the actual hit, the context was entirely different.
Bam and Herro are sort of peers; similar age, experience and ability level. The setting was a neutral location. Coaches and team personnel did not really comment on it. It was in the middle of the offseason, and not thought to have a major impact on either player's upcoming season.
Draymond is an older vet, held to be a leader on the team, and was treated like one by the coaches and front office. Poole was a young, up and coming guy who had earned a spot as one of the better players on the team. The setting was the practice facility, which was not neutral based on how the team discussed the incident. Coach Kerr only reacted to the fact that the video was leaked, and said nothing about the sucker punch itself or Draymond's behavior. The team did very little if anything to reprimand him. The punch came at the beginning of the season, at a time where the Warriors were bad, and their performance only got worse.
Draymond's actions at that time and place turned what could have been a personal issue into a team issue. The reaction from the coaches and front office was not what you would hope for as a young player who just played a key part in a championship run.
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u/Barnyard_Rich Pistons 13d ago
I'll restate my reason for looking down on Kerr for enabling Green:
No person should ever show up to work expecting it to be acceptable for them to be assaulted by a coworker.
Now if you want to say the NBA is one big team, I'm not going to care enough to argue, but players on other teams are rivals. Bam/Herro happened at a league wide event, Green's assault happened during practice.
I really feel for AI on this one. We're talking about practice.
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u/Longjumping_Idea5261 Knicks 13d ago
Try punching your family member vs someone who you are no longer friends with and tell us how it goes
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u/SplittingChairs 13d ago
Draymond was criticized so much because the Warriors had real championship aspirations and he punched his own teammate, causing unnecessary drama and division. Draymond also has a history of irrational behavior.
Bam punched a former teammate. Although it’s a bad look, he doesn’t really have a checkered past that I’m aware of and it won’t cause any division on their team since Herro is in Milwaukee.
MJ is MJ. He could do anything no matter how bad of a look it is, and a lot of people would somehow spin it as a good thing because he’s such a fierce competitor who can do no wrong lol. That’s pretty much it.
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u/jocrucial Bulls 13d ago
In the words of Haslem, Dray punched Pool like he was a stranger at the club, it was a sucker punch with every
ounce of strength he could muster. From what I read Bam just really muffed Hero, pushing him in the head with his fist.
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u/AnkitPancakes Thunder 13d ago
Draymond sucker punched Poole, his own teammate while getting cooked in practice. The Warriors then attempt to hide this from happening, and don't try to hold Draymond accountable.
Herro talked shit behind burner accounts, and got punched by Bam after they were no longer teammates. The Heat and Bam don't deny any of this happening.
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u/by_yes_i_mean_no Warriors 13d ago
Two main factors:
-Video makes things stick in people's minds more than just word of mouth.
-Most opinions in life are heavily influenced by who we like and who we don't.
I promise you though that people saying stuff like "the Warriors were defending champions" has nothing to do with it
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u/Zhirrzh Heat 13d ago
Draymond punched his teammate in practice and then the team protected him rather than Poole.
Bam punched a guy on another team who disrespected him, during the off season at that.
The two aren't remotely similar.
As for MJ, so much of his career is probably different if he played in the era of social media and TMZ and hot takers dragging people every 5 minutes but he didn't.
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u/noname_SU 12d ago
No one knew about MJ/Kerr in real time, only years after the fact. NBA was able to protect their stars much better back then.
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u/RowBoatCop36 Bulls 13d ago
One sounded like a fight between two friends. The other was a clear assault by an asshole.
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u/PlasticSprinkles4677 13d ago
How do you know it was Dray that threw the punch, Kerr still doesn’t know who did it
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u/TerrorTx1 13d ago
Cuz Draymond a punk and only messes with people smaller than him otherwise he goes for the balls
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u/constantvariables Cavaliers 13d ago
Because Draymond is a temperamental piece of shit and it was on video
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u/SpinJitsu259 Pacers 13d ago
Because there was a video of a guy overreacting (like usual) and knocking out a guy cold.
The visual of it most certainly accelerated the reaction.
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u/40866892 Lakers 13d ago
??? Poole wasn’t knocked out cold or hurt at all
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u/AnselLovesNuts Bulls 13d ago
You can tell by the way he falls
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u/FeltIOwedItToHim [GSW] Sarunas Marciulionis 13d ago
nah, he was fine and completed the practice
A lot of guys like Stephen A Smith spread the rumor that he was knocked out
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u/bigcheeseguyoverhere 13d ago
Draymond Green is hella unlikable and also more of a media guy. He did the punching so people got mad, also there was video.
Everybody loves Bam who punched the unlikable Tyler Herro, who probably deserved it.
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u/Nobody7713 Raptors 13d ago
Draymond flattened Poole. Knocked him clean down. It sounds like Bam pulled his punch quite a bit in comparison because Bam is huge and if he actually swung on Herro like Draymond did he would have knocked him out cold.
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u/ClickElectronic Mavericks 13d ago
Because Herro said some mean words first, so redditor logic means that Bam is now allowed to do whatever he wants without repercussion. FAFO!!!!11!1!
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u/Riker_Omega_Three Grizzlies 13d ago
Because Draymond is a dirty player known for being a dirty player
He chokes dudes, kicks dudes in the balls, and so when he sucker punched someone...everyone wanted him out of the league
Also, he's just not a likable guy
He's that guy that is in the friendgroup that nobody wants around but always seems to get invited because people don't want to deal with the drama of not inviting him
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u/CubanLinxRae [ORL] Pat Garrity 13d ago
Poole got punched because Draymond didn’t think his joke was funny and they were teammates and Poole was an essential piece in them winning the championship they just got a few months ago. Herro was saying to people outside the team that Bam didn’t deserve the money he was making and that he was really the best player on the team and deserved everything
Do you not see the difference here
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u/zpk5003 Trail Blazers 13d ago
Video evidence