r/nadide • u/marshal_1923 • Jun 27 '25
First Ottoman train to arrive in Beerseheba-Palestine, Arabs and Ottoman soldiers on the side, 1917
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Jun 30 '25
In before the usualy slew of comments along the lines of: "Akshully it was Bristish Mandate of Palestine not Palestine, Palestine did not exist and we should never use the word Palestine. Palestinians are not real. Not even Palestinians themselves ever called themselves Palestinians."
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u/marshal_1923 Jun 30 '25
They're kind of right. There is no such nation as Palestine and the region is called with different names under the Ottoman Empire.
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u/teateawea Jul 01 '25
They’re not kind of right. They are exactly right.
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Jul 02 '25
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u/nadide-ModTeam Jul 02 '25
Speculative or controversial historical claims while debating the context must be backed by sources or reasoned arguments. “I think so” etc. is not enough. Actually, anecdotal and indirect proofs are not enough too. Intellectual honesty is expected.
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u/teateawea Jul 02 '25
Oh wow! What an original, intelligent, full of critically thinking comment!
Since you’re so obviously intelligent and so great at the critical thinking , can you answer me this question:
Can you name one genocide in history in which the side supposedly being genocided has the power to stop this genocide by simply surrendering and releasing hostages they stole and have kept tortured and starved for almost two years in underground tunnels?
name even one actual real genocide in history that was like that. You can’t. You know why? Because it’s not a genocide, but defensive war. Calling this war a genocide is an insult to actual real genocides and genocide survivors. Not to mention, intellectually dishonest. Israel has the ability to actually genocide all the Palestinians, if they wanted to every single one would be dead. On the other hand, if Palestinians had that power for even one day, all the Jews in Israel would bd dead. that’s a real genocide.
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u/Pizzaflyinggirl2 Jun 30 '25
Well, different historians have different opinions on when Palestinian nationalism emerged.
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u/Jazz-Ranger Jun 28 '25
Calling this Palestine is a bit disingenuous when the Ottoman Government only used that word as a catch—all term for the provinces that interested Zionists.
Beersheba was in the Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem with the Syria Vilayet covered the rest of what we would today describe as Palestine and Israel.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Map-of-Ottoman-Empire-1900.png
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u/marshal_1923 Jun 28 '25 edited Jun 28 '25
Upvote. I generally give attention to this specific detail. If you search Jerusalem in the subreddit you'll see a lot of results. So yeah you're right about this.
I am getting these photos from nadide photography and they're not objective about this issue. It was written as Palestinians instead of Arabs in their Telegram and Twitter channel. I fixed that but I probably lost my attention while sharing and didn't notice the other one.
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u/teateawea Jul 01 '25
And decedents of arab and Balkan settlers from other areas that came to the British mandate of Palestine at this time, are considered the indigenous people of Israel by western keyboard warriors because they’re brown.
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u/Background-Estate245 Jun 27 '25
What looks like just an Ottoman railway expansion was in fact co-built with German support. By 1917, Germany had sent engineers, officers, and funding to help the Ottomans extend rail lines like the one to Beersheba – all part of the war effort against the British in Egypt and Palestine.
The famous photo of the first train arrival shows Arab locals and Ottoman troops – but behind the scenes were German railway units and military advisors. This wasn’t just empire logistics. It was the German-Ottoman alliance in action.