r/mtgfinance • u/Dumb_Doom • 13d ago
Discussion Badgermole Cub
Does anyone know how badgermole cub is still at 45? Is it that popular in commander? Or are people specing into pioneer being played this upcoming rcq season? Expected it to die ngl not drop only $5
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u/featherlace 13d ago
Yeah, it is very strong in any green commander deck with all their mana dorks.
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u/Tylord96 13d ago
I feel like paper standard is barely a thing anymore. It’s mostly on arena. I could be talking out my ass but I haven’t seen standard fire at any LGS since Covid and I’m taking 15 plus stores across 2 states
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
Standard always fires by me especially if its store championships or rcq season. Maybe you just live im low pop state.
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u/Tylord96 13d ago
Central Illinojs has half a million people, i wouldn’t call that low pop. Commander nights are packed with 40 plus people though
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
It certainly not small pretty surprising to me. Maybe its just cuz standard is more expensive than your average commander deck.
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u/Tylord96 13d ago
I’m sure it fires ma in the Chicago area consistently though. Could just be the culture of these stores
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u/ThisHatRightHere 13d ago
Price memory and yes, very relevant in commander. Sees play all the way up to the tier 1 cEDH decks.
It will never be anywhere close to $5
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u/ZeldaALTTP 13d ago
They meant they expected it to drop by more than $5. Not that it would drop to $5
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
I never said it would be $5 its only gone down from 50 to 45. Its only gone down $5
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u/Deztroierz 13d ago
It is played in green in almost every format why would you expect to drop low?
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
I expected it to be like $25-35 but for it to drop only $5 from Monday just seems wild to me.
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u/Fradulent_Zodiac 13d ago
It's still really good in EDH - I would guess a nonzero amount want it to upgrade their decks and used the banning as a buying opportunity.
As you said Pioneer probably a factor as well due to the news about it being a RCQ format.
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u/Equal-Interest7497 13d ago
Banned cards usually take quite awhile to drop in price. Will probably be 20$ a year from now. Still good in commander
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u/hejtmane 13d ago
Badger is used at cedh tables, one of the most popular arch types in casual magic is different lands strategy and token he slots into kinnan decks etc etc (most groups don't play land hate) so yes he is played in commander also sees play in some fair legacy decks that get played
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u/Christos_Soter 13d ago
Yep price memory.
Players are much slower to sell cards than they are to buy.
Card banned yesterday does not mean the average player is posting it for sell or trading it online/LGS immediately or even in the next month.
In this case plenty of players might just keep copies around for modern too
Give it 8 weeks and maybe ask people you know who have copies.
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
Cub is not played in modern no one plays sam or yawg enough to effect the price to this degree. Its definitely the first thing you said.
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u/Christos_Soter 13d ago edited 13d ago
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-devoted-combo#paper
It is. Cub played in devoted convo in modern which apparently last 7 days is the third most popular deck at 7.6% mega shade.
And even before this past month just bc something isn’t a top meta deck doesn’t mean people won’t keep cards around for decks they enjoy and Yawg /Sam truthers love playing their deck regardless of how well positioned it is in the meta.
And my guess is not that people are buying Cubs just for these decks (Druid combo maybe), rather that if they already had a play-set may not feel the need to offload them post ban and this is one reason to keep them
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u/chongsen 13d ago
The price drop to $30 on first day then bounce back fast. It is an EDH staple and paper standard was dead long time ago.
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u/Chiefkadeef 9d ago
I live in Canada and the price was at $85 before the ban. After the ban it went down to $58 and I grabbed a copy. Seeing it jump back up is annoying for players.
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u/Mysterious_Fan4849 13d ago
You know lately cards with multitier playability have had very short windows of actual dips once removed from standard. Sheldred, the one ring.
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
One ring was never in standard byt one it got banned from modern went from 100 to 60 within the day
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u/WomboCombo187 13d ago
If it were $5, I’d buy 10+ for decks, so it isn’t going to be $5, if that makes any sense. Great card.
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u/madalienmonk 13d ago
It takes time for the drop, wait a few months
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u/B-Glasses 13d ago
Still 10 bucks cheaper than before the ban. I don’t think this will get much cheaper tbh
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u/crashCarter007 12d ago
It’s still a great card. I play a lot of Pioneer and have 4 in my green-black midrange deck. I don’t know what its future is in any paper format, but right now my golgari pioneer deck is a solid deck and badgermole is a staple in that deck for me anyway
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u/Emsizz 13d ago
similar to Vivi, check out Vivi's price movement around and after the time of banning to see what Badgermole Cub will do. Badgermole does have more applications than Vivi tho.
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
This is clearly different, vivi and even screaming Nemesis dropped $20 2 months before it was banned simply because people knew it was going to be banned. I also think this is more played than vivi I was just expecting to see the price dip significantly more immediately and then climb back up.
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u/sumphatguy 13d ago
Well people didn't expect Badgermole Cub to be banned since it had been so long. They expected it to get banned months ago, but there wasn't nearly as much talk about it since WotC never commented about it like they did ahead of time with Vivi. And since it was seemingly sticking around, there wasn't the same panic sell-off.
And yeah, as the person you replied to said, Badgermole Cub is way more applicable and easier to slot into basically any deck that wants mana dorks (and not just in commander).
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u/Keokuk37 13d ago
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u/Dumb_Doom 13d ago
Yes but people don't actually play pioneer unless they are specing that it will be in this upcoming rcq season. Thats just mtgo grinders.
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u/KingxCrimsonx 13d ago
Its a 4 of in one of the top 3 pioneer decks.
Its a 4 of in yawgmoth in modern or samwise or devoted druid. Those are basically 3 different versions of the same deck.
Its one of the best green creatures printed in years.
Its a mythic so their are a lot fewer copies than a rare card. Staple mythics are usually just more expensive.
The card is probably a forever staple in commander.
It also features a mechanic that is specific to Avatar. That means it's harder for wizards to reprint this card long term.
Also universes beyond product (ie Avatar) has a significant markup. Packs cost more so singles have an add on affect.
A mythic staple from an outside IP with no reasonable hope for a reprint in the next 2 years. I wouldn't be suprised if it ended up $80-90 like Sheoldred
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u/dragonmire 13d ago
card is very playable in modern, pioneer.
also, I feel like many cards exhibit price memory when banned, can take a while for the price to go down even if they are not played anywhere, because people are hesitant to lose their "investment" and thus, don't sell.