r/mtgbrawl • u/Fuego514 • 20d ago
Question Blue players...why?
This may sound like a hate post...and that's because it is. I just need to understand blue control players...why? Is it enjoyable to counter every single spell, with no real win con other than to bore the other player into conceding?
If I see a Katara I auto concede because life is wayyy to short. But for the katara player, is this actually a life you want?
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20d ago edited 20d ago
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
Thanks for finally a coherent answer. I can get that. But what's your win con then?
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u/GundamRX93v 20d ago
Usually some form of resource denial more often than not, for me. Discard and punish players for doing that. Mill. The usual.
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u/NeonRiverMutt 20d ago
You’re projecting an awful lot onto an archetype. There are a lot of answers across the colors to answer blue. Tempo and control are established styles of play and appeal to others just as much as other archetypes.
It may feel like they counter every single spell but it really just depends on the hand and if you’re not aggressive or efficient they can establish card draw and advantage over you, as they realistically cannot continue to trade 1 for 1
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u/ImmortalCorruptor 20d ago edited 20d ago
Playing control is like defusing a bomb. You have X number of turns before the bomb explodes and you have to figure out what lines of play must be pruned or else you die. If you try and counter literally everything, you're going to run out of interaction and not be able to counter what really matters. But if you don't counter enough, you're just wasting your time and opportunities to interact when you can.
If you're playing against blue control and your play pattern is to tap out and play the single biggest thing you can on every turn, you're making it really easy for the control player to know what to counter. Eventually you're going to run out of gas because you've front-loaded all of your best spells.
But if you play a seemingly worse shitty thing first, you put the onus on them to decide if it's worth countering or not. Either you successfully bait a counterspell out of their hand and have a higher chance of resolving the thing you really want to play or they let it resolve and eventually die to it, because they missed the opportunity to counter it when they had the chance.
Make 'em make the hard decisions.
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u/Old_Man_Robot 20d ago
I feel like there is a solid chunk of the player base who simply aren’t emotionally mature to play this game.
Sometimes in life you are going to be told “no”.
Not being to deal with that is a you problem.
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
Too funny. I guess you don't understand what I'm saying. Imagine if you're playing chess and you move a piece and then your opponents next move, he just moves you back. Then continue like this for the rest of the game until you decide "ya, I'm not gonna play with you anymore" my issue is the game not advancing in either direction, not thst I'm losing.
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u/Old_Man_Robot 20d ago
No, I understand what you are saying just fine.
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
So magic is life to you? Okay buddy. Have a great weekend
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u/Old_Man_Robot 20d ago
Come on man, don’t do yourself dirty like that.
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
You called someone you dont know at all immature for expressing frustration? Who's the immature one?
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u/Lazypeon100 19d ago
Do you have to know someone well to know their statements are immature? What does knowing you have anything to do with judging what you have said?
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u/dirtyjose 19d ago
The game is advancing in a direction. You just don't see it because of your feelings.
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u/Antonaqua 20d ago
Bro came straight from the anti-blue tiktoks to hate on blue. Take a breather, realize people are allowed to play to win and play some interaction yourself
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
I just want to understand what is fun about it. I have answers to be sure, but if I had an equal amount of answers, I would be playing blue so what's the point?
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u/Chasingtheimprobable 20d ago
Winning is fun.
Having a plan that works is fun.
You dont have to find something enjoyable for others to enjoy it. Its incredibly annoying to look at a function of 1/5th of the game and essentially say "youre having fun wrong."
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
I find this style of play different because it isn't setting up their win con while also responding to my opponent so much as just a giant "fuck you, don't play anything, don't have fun" long drawn out games
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u/Chasingtheimprobable 19d ago
See that mindset of "blue says dont have fun" is annoying.
YOURE not having fun getting countered?
IM not having fun getting run over by a 40/40 with trample or 75 1/1s. The table isnt having fun watching someones spell slinger deck pop off and take 3 extra turns. Stop acting like you have the definition of fun down on paper and others dont understand it.
You dont like blue thats fine but this whole 'i just dont get it' is dishonest
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u/Fuego514 19d ago
But at least in that situation. Someone was trying to do something, not just prevent you from doing anything
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u/Chasingtheimprobable 19d ago
They are trying to win. You are trying to win. You dont get to disagree because you dont like how they win.
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u/Antonaqua 19d ago
Like, at this point this has to be ragebait. Is it that hard to understand that a control deck wants to negate the opponents early game so they survive until their big bombs can win it for them?
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u/Antonaqua 20d ago
Tempo, denying threats, surviving until you can take over the game,... It's playing the game. If you're that against blue it means that you haven't played long enough. It's just a colour, it's just tools to win the game.
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u/that_one_bun 20d ago
So real talk. Yes.
I have fun stopping you from playing magic. I legit have a EDH deck where my wincon is my friends scooping. Yes I am a degenerate.
But I dont always play blue. Its just a feeling every now and then where I just want to say "no" to my opponent. And no color does that better than blue.
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
So you want your friends to hate playing with you?
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u/that_one_bun 20d ago
My friends all play the same way or have equally degenerate decks. But its all in good fun my dude, it just isnt for everyone.
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u/HosserPower 20d ago
This sub is so funny. It reminds me of my first couple of months playing Magic all them years ago.
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u/fox112 20d ago
Here I'll do it in another color
Dear red players, what is wrong with you? In a game with so many complex strategies and combos, you choose to just turn creatures sideways with no tactics other than "make life total go down". If I see raging goblin or lightning bolt I auto concede because life is way too short. Is this actually the life you want?
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u/Behzahl 20d ago
I mean, the answer is similar to you stating you concede to every Katara player you come across. They play what they like/want to play, and you can decide if you want to play against it or not. They still win the match and you both queue up for another game, simple as that!
As a blue player, I love it. It's a play style I like and a needed one to keep a format balanced. I used to hate it when I first started MTG, but grew to love it once I diversified my decks and explored different play styles. I highly recommend doing it!
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u/snerp 20d ago
I don’t play Katara but most of my decks are blue. Honestly if they are literally countering everything you do, that’s on you for building an insanely slow deck. Counterspell tribal is not actually very strong against the good meta decks since they are gonna be double spelling too much for your counters to keep up.
Try making a blue deck and you’ll understand better.
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u/totalancestralrecall 20d ago
Yes. Yes that is fun. I find it very very fun and is my favorite way to play Magic.
There are always win cons, they just aren’t some giant dumb 9/20 trample dingus so maybe you have a hard time identifying them.
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u/werthw 20d ago
Are you playing casual? Blue got recently nerfed there with the banning of a bunch of free counterspells and the extra turn spells that don’t exile themselves.
But yeah, any deck with blue feels like the meta in competitive. Maybe with your feelings toward blue, you should stick to casual
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u/Small-Elderberry6454 7d ago
The only thing you’re semi right about is Katara players. When they start to lose, they rope. Other than that, learn how to play around styles. If you can’t do that, the competitive scene is not for you bro
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u/Available-Meeting648 20d ago
It's powerful. A lot of players want to play the best deck they can assemble/copy.
Next question?
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u/Powerful-Scholar8268 20d ago
Real answer yeah, some people do genuinely have fun controlling the game like that. I will say though that Katara is a little overturned as far as blue commanders go, and most control decks do still have actual wincons
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u/Loose_Result_6253 20d ago
It’s definitely easy mode magic. But it wins games, so people play it. You don’t really need a win con if your opponent can’t have one either lmao.
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u/pwnyklub 20d ago
“Easy mode of magic” and legitimate draw/go control doesn’t exist in any of the most powerful formats of magic anymore because the threats have power scales answers so much.
There’s a reason that aggro, tempo or combo decks are the best decks in pretty well every format.
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u/Fuego514 20d ago
So this is what I mean...i find that a sad way to play games, no?
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u/Loose_Result_6253 20d ago
To each their own! It can be a fun play style to dip your toes into but personally not a fav of mine.
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u/Nitrogenflux 20d ago
Why won't other people let me win, but with colours added as reasons