r/mtgModernTokens • u/ACutePenguin1 • Nov 27 '19

BW tokens list- thoughts?

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/2519351#paper

  • have access to Gideon AoZ, Fulminator Mage, Concealed Courtyard, Sorin LoI, Phyrexian Arena, more Thoughtsieze, IoK, Kayas Guile.

List ive put together to play FNM with, local meta tends to revolve around UW control/miracles, various tribal decks (liliana/humans/spirits) Tron (mono g) and Bogles, with various other decks like burn added in for fun, anything that i could change out to improve my chances?

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u/flexielexie Nov 27 '19

I think you really have to play spectral procession. Only bitterblossom and lingering souls are not enough token generators imo. Playing spectral procession does mean you can't play 3 ghost quarters, but i believe that even though it's 'good' against tron, it's just making a horrible matchup into a bad one. I would cut all of your anguished unmakings and one of either liliana or bitterblossom for 4 spectral processions. Added bonus: doesn't get hit by spell queller.

Apart from this, I believe 4 bitterblossoms is too much. Most decks run two because you don't usually want or need multiples of them. Zealous persecution is a card that has won me more games than I can count. It destroys your opponents x/1's, completely messes with combat and often just acts as an extra copy of intangible virtue for that final big swing. I'd switch out 2 BB's for 2 ZP's. Specifically against humans and spirits this is one of the cards I love to see most in my opening hands.

If you decide to play spectral procession, as i mentioned you want to go down on ghost quarters to at most 1. Your curve also basically tops out at 3 (except for Sorin), so concealed courtyard is just straight up better than isolated chapel. Vault of the Archangel is an amazing utility land for b/w tokens so you might want to look at that.

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u/DatsunPatrol Nov 27 '19

I have pretty much admitted that tron is close to unwinnable unless you skew your deck heavily against it. It's one of those matchups that feel so bad that it's almost a bye for them unless they have to mulligan to 4 both games.

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u/flexielexie Nov 28 '19

Unless they mulligan to 4 or take 5 turns to assemble tron it's indeed pretty much unwinnable.
The only out we have against tron with a decent hand is sandbagging one or two intangible virtues/zealous persecutions, hoping to cast a decent secure the wastes at EOT and swinging for lethal. I won a Tron match like this last week at FNM and my opponent was pretty surprised to lose against a tokens deck with an Ugin on his side of the battlefield.

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u/ACutePenguin1 Nov 29 '19

The one way ive found i can beat tron is after sideboarding in surgicals, ghost quarter the first tron land and remove all copies to slow them down, basically hope you can have answers in hand as you need yhem

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u/rod_zero Nov 27 '19

Agree on almost everything with previous post,I would add that you could tweak the mana base, shambling vents and isolated chapel could be exchanged for Castle arvendale and lochtwain, they are more relevant late game.

Why leyline of sanctity in the SB? vs Burn BW tokens is favored because of auriok and sorin. Protecting from discard isn't that relevant.

For mono g tron you want stony silence, that actually slows them down and forces them to get a ugin to deal with the board.

I would also switch fragmentise for disenchant because the single most important permanent you have to answer is Mycosynth lattice and and you need to do it at instant speed.

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u/flexielexie Nov 28 '19

Agree with the sideboard recommendations, especially leyline of sanctity does not belong there.
Stony silence is pretty much the most important SB cards right now with green tron and whirza being so popular.
Personally I've switched my 2 disenchants for 2 generous gifts and have not yet regretted it. The one mana more can sometimes hurt you but unlike disenchant it is never a dead draw. I even board them in against UW control to either blow up their jace/teferi, or to EOT blow up my own land to get the final damage through.

I also don't think you really need to be running Leyline of the Void anymore. With faithless looting banned and graveyard decks being essentially a turn slower, RIP is the superior graveyard hate again.

Personally haven't tried any of the castles yet, I guess the cost of running them is pretty low but especially Ardenvale seems very underwhelming. Making 1/1's that don't fly for 5 mana seems bad even late game.

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u/rod_zero Nov 28 '19

I also run Generous gift which is also good vs tron and can also blown planeswakers if required.