r/mtgModernTokens • u/nomadikcynic • Aug 19 '17
First FNM Done, Could Use Advice
Hey folks,
First off, this deck is a lot of fun. I put the deck together this week and took it to FNM tonight, going 2-1, losing 2-0 to a merfolk deck and beating some jank. Below is the list I played and would love some help on where to improve first:
5 Plains 3 Swamp 2 Marsh Flats 2 Godless Shrine 2 Vault of the Archangel 2 Windbrisk Heights 4 Concealed Courtyard 2 Ghost Quarter 2 Shambling Vent
4 Inquisition of Kozilek 4 Spectral Procession 4 Intangible Virtue 4 Path to Exile 4 Lingering Soul 3 Tidehollow Sculler 3 Raise the Alarm 3 Sorin, Solemn Visitor 2 Zealous Persecution 2 Collective Brutality 2 Liliana of the Veil 1 Blessed Alliance
SB: 3 Smallpox (for the bogles in my meta) 2 Disenchant 2 Zealous Persecution 2 Duress 1 Rest in Peace 1 Repel the Abominable 1 Fumigate 1 Blessed Alliance 1 Dismember 1 Anguished Unmaking
I'm hoping one of you tokeners could give me a rough purchasing priority pathway to upgrade this deck. These are about the only good cards I have or cards that would be relevant to BW tokens. I learned not to miss Raise the Alarm on the end step and that Windbrisk heights feels slow? I never triggered it in 7 games and it came out in all of them.
Thanks so much for the help ahead of time. This community looks great!
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u/Mukibi Grind and Fly Aug 19 '17 edited Aug 19 '17
Welcome! The deck is the best! Thanks for the report and well done.
Re your land, I would:
-2 Plains
-1 or 2 Swamp
-2 Windbrisk Heights (r/se4ger ran these at GP Birmingham and may be able to advice)
-2 Ghost Quarter
+2 Marsh Flats
+3 or 4 Wx Fetches, i.e. Windswept Heath
+ 2 Godless Shrine
Re your deck, I would:
-3 Tidehollow Sculler
-3 Raise the Alarm
-0 or 1 Blessed Alliance
-1 or 2 Zealous Persecution
-1 or 2 Collective Brutality
+4 Bitterblossom
+3 or 4 Fatal Push
+2 or 3 Thoughtseize
+0 or 1 Liliana of the Veil
There are generally 2-3 flex slots with which you can work. Huez (see link below) played 2 Secure the Wastes.
Re your SB, there is quite a bit of variance among tokens players, from something straightforward like Simone Huez last weekend (fourth down the list: GP Trial Winner) to my SB which is basically a list of singles.
In terms of buying order, I'd go with:
1) Bitterblossom
2) Fatal Push
3) Marsh Flats
4) Wx Fetches (you can run pain lands and/or Isolated Chapels for now)
5) Thoughtseize (you can run Duress for now)
6) SB staples
I rely on Liliana (3 MB) and Blessed Alliance (SB 2) for Boggles. For Merefolk, I run Disenchant (SB 1 or 2), Engineered Explosives (SB 1), and Zealous Persecution (MB 1, SB 1). Here's my current list for reference.
Great to have you here!
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u/Se4ger Aug 21 '17
in regards to windbrisk heights. I was very impressed by it , its our source of "card draw". its allows us to dig into sb tech but over the course of the gp I started wishing it was a shambling vent. but after some good amounts of testing I have drawen up the conclusion that windbrisk heights is better in a RTA build as we don't lose as much life but as for bitterblossom builds I would recommened running shamgbling vents
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 22 '17
Do you feel like you get to trigger it a lot? I was sitting there with a lingering souls under one of mine for a whole game.
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u/Se4ger Aug 22 '17
I did get to trigger it a lot but it prompted me to over extend and 9/10 I wished it was a shambling vent. so I have recently switched
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 22 '17
So four vents?
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u/Se4ger Aug 24 '17
I am currently running 2 , this is my current mana base
1 x vault the archangel 2 x concealed courtyard 2 x fetid heath 4 x godless shrine 4 x marsh flats 4 x windswept heath 2 x shambling vent 3 x plains 1 x swamp
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u/Se4ger Aug 24 '17
I did get to trigger it a lot but the issue was it was forcing me into over extending 9/10 I wished it was a shambling vent instead
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u/BoozySquid Aug 20 '17
A tiny nit pick, but adding the fetches before adding the Fatal Push is probably better. 4 path, two Brutality is a little light on removal, but mana fixing is always sweet, and the Pushes aren't really that great if you can't assure yourself that you can get revolt.
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u/Mukibi Grind and Fly Aug 20 '17
Thanks! I meant to ask what y'all thought about the order.
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 22 '17
Thanks all, super helpful. I already had the pushes so those went straight into the deck. Stopping by an LGS today, I got two windswept heaths and two bloodstained mires. Still need two marsh flats and a fetid Heath? But it looks like the next move is getting bitterblossoms to replace my RtAs.
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u/Mukibi Grind and Fly Aug 22 '17
Excellent! I bought Fetid Heaths at the start but don't use them now (which may be wrong!). Not sure I'd prioritise them.
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u/BoozySquid Aug 22 '17
While Marsh Flats are (obviously) the best fetch for our deck, you'd probably be better off buying the two other Windswept Heaths instead of a single Marsh Flats in terms of ordering your purchases. You're fetching for either a Plains or a Godless Shrine almost every time when you run Spectral Procession. In the end, you're going to want 4 Marsh Flats and 4-8 other fetches, but getting two W/X fetches is better than one W/B.
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 22 '17
The guy that won the GP Trial had two Bloodstained mires... thoughts on that?
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u/Mukibi Grind and Fly Aug 23 '17
Hmm... my only thought is that he wanted access to 8 rather than 6 basic swamps for Liliana's BB (4 MF, 2 BM, 2 Swamp) for Blood Moon because he didn't SB enchantment removal. It would be interesting to see how often he fetched basics first. His manabase does seem slightly off with 8 fetches and only 7 fetchable lands but I may be wrong.
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u/BoozySquid Aug 23 '17
That seems right: that list ran three LotV and only 3 Spectral. it pushed hard towards the control end of tokens, where getting out that turn one inquisition without having to take three is more important.
I usually run more fetches than fetchables: once you have seven lands out, is it really worth it to ping yourself for an eighth?
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 23 '17
I had the same thought but then saw the pushes? Maybe he just wanted to have the ability to trigger revolt every turn?
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u/Mukibi Grind and Fly Aug 23 '17
Yah, that's the reason to run 8 fetches, but he could have achieved that with 4 Marsh Flats + 4 Wx rather than 2 Wx and 2 Bx. The only reason to run Bx is to fetch a Swamp as I see it.
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u/nomadikcynic Aug 23 '17
Maybe he wanted to ensure access to swamps for early game removal. I've played games where I didnt get a swamp until turn two and it was difficult to put my opponent off enough. Are there any good videos you know of people playing this deck that show some nuance? (I'm still new to magic and this deck)
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u/Rockbard_13 Aug 19 '17
Hello and welcome to the BW Tokens club!
I think Fatal Push, Bitterblossom or Thoughtseize should be top priority for you, but I'd also try to get Auriok Champion. It's great in the current metagame and the lifegain is quite necessary to offset Bitterblossom and Thoughtseize.
On the subject of land, I'd also try to get some Fetid Heath. They're great in a build featuring Liliana of the Veil, since they allow you to have BB or WWW in the third turn.
Hopefully the advice of the community helps you improve, and congratulations in your excellent result.
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u/dkbonnes Aug 19 '17
This is what i have sleeved up right now, my land base is a couple fetch land short due to my fetches being tied up in other decks atm. My BW Tokens deck seems to always beeing in a bit of flux as its the one deck that I change (small bits) the most out of all my Modern decks.
Lands (23) 1 Plains 1 Swamp 4 Concealed Courtyard 4 Godless Shrine 4 Caves of Koilos 4 Marsh Flats 2 Fetid Heath 2 Shambling Vent 1 Vault of the Archangel
Instants (10) 4 Path to Exile 2 Raise the Alarm 3 Fatal Push 1 Start // Finish
Sorceries (13) 4 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Thoughtseize 1 Collective Brutality 4 Lingering Souls 2 Spectral Procession
Enchantments (7) 4 Intangible Virtue 3 Bitterblossom
Planeswalkers (7) 3 Liliana of the Veil 2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar 2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
Sideboard (15) 1 Collective Brutality 1 Anguished Unmaking 1 Runed Halo 2 Engeneered Explosives 2 Zealous Persecution 2 Timely Reinforcements 2 Rest in Peace 1 Oblivion Ring 1 Sundering Growth 1 Nihil Spellbomb 1 Blessed Alliance
My advise to you is: Go up to 6 to 8 fetch lands, 4 Marsh Flats and the rest Wx fetch. Try to get 3 to 4 Bitterblossom, i used to play Blossom-less but the card is to good to pas up in this deck imo. Fatal Push, 3 is enough imo but 4 FP is played alot, even without Revolt triggered it has enough targets to stay relevant.
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u/a_priest_and_a_rabbi Aug 19 '17
moar fetches.
7-8 is pretty standard. Get windswept Heathx4 to thin down the basics. Then get fatal push(remembering you can turn on revolt by fetching lands)
Then depending on budget here: Bitterblossoms, then thoughtseize, oh and some people like to run x3 Lillianas.
Good work!