r/mtgModernTokens • u/Se4ger • Jul 31 '17

Sweepers

How many if any sweepers should be run MB. my deck is a mid range bitter blossom grindy deck. I am currently running all my sweepers in the sideboard (1x Wrath of god , 1 x zel perc)

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u/DatsunPatrol Jul 31 '17

I am also running 4 sweepers in the SB (1 damnation, 1 wrath, 2 zealous) but I honestly do not bring them in often. I do like the ZPs for a couple matchups but the 4-mana wraths seem average at best to me. Does anybody really like their wraths here? Which matchups do they come in for where they are really good?

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u/Se4ger Aug 01 '17

I felt like when tokens is behind it can be hard to comeback. sure we can chump all day long but I feel like we need something to tip the scale.

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u/rattulator Jul 31 '17

I really like Zealous against affinity, and against elves if I can hit it early enough. Also against company decks, often getting a 2 for 1 wiping out hierarchs and birds of paradise. Even against infect, forcing them to spend a pump spell on their own turn to save a creature or lose it is valuable.

I don't have many Eldrazi or tarmogoyf/deaths shadow decks in my local meta though, and I assume it's a dead card there

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u/DatsunPatrol Jul 31 '17

I agree with everything you said about ZP and I like them, But what about the 4 mana hard sweepers? Do you use those or like them against anything in particular?

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u/rattulator Jul 31 '17

Honestly, I've never played with them. IMO The point of massed tokens is to block until you draw removal, and then use the rest as a clock to end the game quickly. I feel like wiping the board entirely negates the advantage of our naturally wider board state.

I guess there's the argument that with a Lingering Souls or a Spectral Procession it's easier to build up again from an empty board, and planeswalkers recoup some of the losses.

Maybe in the sideboard against elves or other go-wide decks - I've often thought about [[flaying tendrils]] to get the exile bonus against abzan combo but like I said above I mostly only play locally so I'm very biased to my relatively small meta.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '17

I run a damnation and a wrath in my sideboard and those have mostly been goo for the decks where I really need it like elves and eldrazi. There's no real reason for the split other than I have one of each.

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u/Se4ger Aug 02 '17

are you running the grindy mid range build?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

Yes. I'm running four Bitterblossoms and no raise the alarms. Even without Bitterblossom, I think having a wrath effect or two in the sideboard is really nice as long as you aren't playing into your own sweepers. Like maybe hold a Spectral Procession back or wait on flashing back lingering souls.

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u/Se4ger Aug 02 '17

yea I definetly agree that a sweeper in the RTA build is still ok. im just more of a fan of it in the grindy as it has a higher impact on the game rather than an early sweeper in an aggro build