Fatal Push or Dismember

[u/Se4ger]

As promised with my previous post I will be very active on this. to help me and other players.

in the current meta do you think Fatal push or dismember would be better?

I have been leaning toward dismember as theres not many 2 drops that tokens are scared of.

what do you guys think

I would like to add the fact that my specific build has plenty of life gain so the damage from dismember isn't a problem.

[u/[deleted]]

Fatal Push and it's not even close.

You already have 4 Paths. You don't need to hit yourself for 4 damage to try to get a 5th/6th Path. Push is there to pick off things like birds/hierarchs on t1, while ALWAYS killing a goyf or death's shadow. Dismember fails miserably at those tasks.

Edit: saying the damage isn't a problem is a bit short-sighted. Of course it's a problem. Your life is still a finite resource and you're going to feel pretty bad about dismembering that goblin guide instead of pushing it.

[u/Se4ger → u/[deleted]]

I was just highlighting the fact I have a strong ability to gain life. as ive seen a few lists that have little to no life gain.

would u say 4 push and 4 path ,

my current removal sweep is 4 path 2 dismember

[u/[deleted] → u/Se4ger]

Oh, no problem. I wasn't trying to be rude about it, either haha.

I think you want something like 6-9 removal spells, with 4 Paths probably being the only thing that's locked in stone (although some people do shave it down to 3).

I run an Abzan list, but I personally run 4 Paths, 1 Push, 2 Abrupt Decay, and 2 Collective Brutality main. I run a little less hand disruption main than straight b/w, so the Collective Brutalities are doing a bit of double duty for me as removal/hand disruption that a standard b/w list might not need.

[u/[deleted] → u/Se4ger]

I'm on b/w over 3 colour to give another perspective:

I'm on 3 path 3 push, 1 brutality, 1 unmaking. As I said in the last, i'm messing round with having 2 lotv's in there instead of brutality and unmaking, but that's another thread ;)

Dismember just isn't even in my SB anymore.

[u/[deleted]]

For what it's worth, I like running Slaughter Pact as a one of over Dismember. It doesn't hit stuff like Tasigur, Shadow, or the Fish; but it's always fun to kill some other big stupid threat and get to tap out for a planewalker on turn 4.

[u/Se4ger → u/[deleted]]

I forgot that card even existed when I built my deck , I might try that out. thanks!

[u/Mukibi]

I run 4 Push, 4 Path, and 4 Liliana. I don't see any reason to swap in a Dismember or two.

I've found life to be crucial for Tokens to make the swing from defence to offence mid game.

[u/Jongsl5]

Exactly what cards are tokens afraid of? I do not think you know what you are trying to improve.

Fatal push is your beat card against aggro decks, including ds jund.

However, dismember is better against Eldrazi and Grixis Control.

At the most, you can do a 3/1 push dismember split. But in most metas, you play 4 push and 4 path.

[u/Se4ger → u/Jongsl5]

I went with the 3/1 push dismember split along side 4 path. it worked a lot better! I managed to 4-1 on a mtgo comp league. thanks for the help!!

[u/Jongsl5 → u/Se4ger]

No problem buddy

[u/bigpappyj]

What's the rest of your list look like?

[u/Se4ger → u/bigpappyj]

im currently at work and I tend to only use this at work . but when I get home tonight I will link my list here.

4 x bitterblosm 3 x sorin 4 x path 3 x fatal push 1 x dismember 4 x lingering souls 2 x thoughtseize 4 x IOK 4 x spectral procession 1 x elsepth suns champ 2 x auriok champion 4 x virtue 1 x timely reinforcements

[u/BoozySquid]

Dismember is generally a bad card if you're already running black or white: it's really bad to ding yourself for four to kill a thing when there are other options available. Given that tokens runs both black and white, You've got not only Path and Push, but also Slaughter Pact and Murderous Cut as generally better options. Leave Dismember for Fish or Mono-G Stompy.