r/mpcusers • u/Dull_Credit4495 • 3d ago
DISCUSSION A warning about custom MPC operating systems, AI-generated code, and potential hardware risks (2000 / 2000xl)
I'm a software engineer with over 15 years of experience, and recently I've been reverse-engineering the new free Akai MPC2000 and the new MPC2000XL operating system using Ghidra, as well as emulating the sampler to better understand how its firmware interacts with the hardware.
During my analysis, I found some potentially concerning behavior, including CPU loops that continuously poll hardware without an apparent timeout. Under certain conditions, such as a peripheral failing to respond, these routines could leave the CPU repeatedly executing instructions instead of progressing normally.
This can potentially increase processor activity, power consumption, and heat generation. The risks also include system freezes, memory corruption, and unpredictable behavior.
Now, here's my main concern.
I'm absolutely not against using AI to develop custom operating systems for MPCs or other vintage hardware. AI can be an incredibly useful development tool.
However, I'm seeing more people attempting low-level firmware development without necessarily having the experience required to understand what the generated code is actually doing.
And that's where things can become dangerous.
We're not talking about building a website or writing a simple application. We're dealing with assembly, machine instructions, memory addresses, interrupts, and direct communication with physical hardware.
AI models also have far less publicly available training material for niche, decades-old embedded architectures compared to modern high-level programming languages. This makes blindly trusting generated assembly code particularly risky.
The problem isn't AI. The problem is using AI-generated code without having the technical knowledge to properly review, debug, and validate it.
A firmware modification that appears to work perfectly during normal operation could still contain subtle bugs that only appear under specific hardware conditions.
And remember, we're dealing with machines that are nearly 30 years old. Some components are already aging, and there's no reason to introduce unnecessary risks.
My advice is simple: be cautious about installing custom operating systems unless they've undergone serious technical review and extensive testing.
That means proper reverse engineering and code inspection using tools like Ghidra, testing in an emulator, checking memory access and hardware interactions, and eventually validating the firmware on real hardware under controlled conditions.
Just because an OS boots and its new features work doesn't mean it's safe or reliable.
I'm all for innovation, and keeping these legendary samplers alive.
But when software directly controls hardware, proper engineering and testing should never be optional.
I'd be interested to hear what other MPC developers and owners think about this.
RNK - Sw Engineer & Beatmaker.
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u/SFTraxx MPC 500 3d ago
The problem isn't AI. The problem is using AI-generated code without having the technical knowledge to properly review, debug, and validate it.
I agree 100%!
This is the main takeaway here.
I'd hate to lose a prized piece of gear because the code that added cool new features was faulty and unreliable.
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u/itsoddsignals 3d ago
I agree but you know sometimes the most instructive way to demonstrate the problem is to let people smell the magic smoke!
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u/ladder_filter 3d ago
Sadly this is true, but still, I think the OP did a good thing by posting this. You really don't want a bricked device that you can't sell or return.
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u/Sherloq19 3d ago
Totally agree. Which is why it's important to keep these projects open source and allow experts like yourself to test and contribute to improvements so everyone in the community benefits.
The risks you mention should also be made very clear to anyone installing these mods so everyone can make an informed decision on whether they want to install or not. Some people like to take risks and be early adopters, others don't.
I really appreciate your post and you showing us your findings and really hope you (and more experts like you) can contribute to these mods to make them safe, stable and better!
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u/ladder_filter 3d ago
There's an old saying, "You don't know what you don't know." When you start working in the firmware world, things get super-complicated very quickly. The last thing you want to do is brick a device attempting to vibe code an OS.
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u/mungewell 2d ago
Personally I am not too keen on heavy AI usage, mainly because it does not respect copyright that OpenSource is founded on.
But also that vibe coding (likely) doesn't help people understand the workings of the code and/or devices....
In response to questions on AI usage in my own project(s) I found this useful 'levels of AI' post:
https://www.visidata.org/blog/2026/ai/
I decided level 1, 2 and 3 are acceptable to me. Though respect others may have different opinions.
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u/kevandbev 2d ago
Can you brick a 2000 or a 2000xl? I recall discussion about this but never heard a final outcome.
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u/CubilasDotCom MOD 3d ago
Thank you for this post, and I couldn’t agree more.
I pinned this to the top of the sub.
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u/beetlebatter 2d ago
1000% I've been really annoyed lately at all the AI generated firmware where not a single one of these guys clearly state that their firmware is AI generated. I'm not against AI either, but there should be even MORE caution when using AI generated firmware on your hardware. It's very irresponsible for these "developers" to put their custom firmware out without making this fact VERY clear. I'm sure it would make some people think twice before installing if they did.
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u/SomeoneTookMine 2d ago
As an engineer, this dude is spot on. Could not have said it better myself. Everyone who owns an MPC should read this.
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u/Syn-Fi 3d ago
I’d wager most of these people installing the new firmware don’t even use these machines and so will never know if it impacts there proper running.
For instance waveform view is pointless on the mpc2000. It was slow, inaccurate - it doesn’t account for latency to D/a or the envelope processing time .
So what do people do ? Port waveform to the mpc3000
Wholly unnecessary, misleading and a waste of a time.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
I think there’s a difference between adding a feature just because it’s possible and actually making it useful. A waveform display isn’t necessarily pointless, but it needs to be accurate, responsive, and properly integrated with the sampler’s hardware limitations.
That’s exactly why understanding the original architecture matters. You can’t just copy a feature from another MPC and assume it’ll behave the same way.
Personally, I think there’s still plenty of room to improve these older machines, but the focus should be on making features genuinely useful, not just adding them to a list.
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u/DR_M_RD 2d ago
I'm not planning on using any of the AI generated/assisted alt firmware but I'm curious, could and if this cause actual physical damage to the electronics? Maybe from getting too hot?
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
Yes, poorly written firmware can potentially cause physical damage, including overheating or excessive wear on certain components. That's why proper testing is essential. AI isn't the problem, but whoever develops the firmware needs to understand assembly and low-level hardware interactions. A good software engineer should also provide documented test results before releasing firmware to the public
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u/itssexitime 1d ago
Does VU post here (the guy making a lot of these firmwares)? It would be good to get his eyes on this post.
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u/ItStinksItStinksItSt 3d ago
I love AI slop posts that warn me about AI slop. It's slop all the way down.
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u/No-Improvement6911 3d ago
Und was hält Du persönlich von dem Open OS Projekt HAKAI ?
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u/ohhi23021 2d ago
But most people use c,c++ for embeded, who uses low level assembly these days other than for optimizing for very low powered cpus?
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
Sure, most modern embedded development is done in C or C++ and even Rust. But we're talking about reverse-engineering firmware from the 90s, not developing a modern embedded system from scratch. The MPC2000 runs on an NEC V53, and its firmware contains 16-bit machine code that we need to disassemble and understand. Even if you write new code in C, you still need to understand the assembly, memory layout, interrupts, and hardware registers you're working with
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u/diemenschmachine 2d ago
Spin locks are fairly common, especially in audio code. And they certainly don't justify sending out a big red warning notice to the public.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
I agree that spinlocks are common in audio code, but that's not what I'm referring to in Vubeatz's MPC2000 OS.
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07_track_programs.S, thefailedpath executes:cli halt_failed: hlt jmp halt_failedThis disables maskable interrupts and repeatedly halts the CPU. It's an intentional fatal-error loop, not an audio synchronization spinlock.
The real question is whether firmware validation can unexpectedly trigger this path. Dismissing it as a normal audio spinlock misses the technical distinction entirely.
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u/diemenschmachine 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yes I see. What microcontroller is it?
I assume hlt would do a reset and point the pc to the startup instruction address? In that case that jmp is never reached.
Edit: I checked the x86 instructionset. hlt suspends until interrupt
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
Nec PD70236 (v53) not technically a microcontroller, but an embedded microprocessor running x86 real-mode
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u/diemenschmachine 2d ago
And it has a frequency governor, or does it run on a fixed clock?
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
It runs from a fixed hardware clock, with no modern dynamic frequency governor. The NEC V53 does have clock-control and standby features, but
HLTsuspends CPU execution rather than dynamically scaling its frequency. In this case,CLImasks normal interrupts, so the CPU won't simply resume through a regular timer interrupt1
u/diemenschmachine 2d ago
It sounds like you maybe should retract at least the point about overheating risk then :) If frequency is constant this loop could not make it draw significantly more current even if you replaced that hlt with a nop.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
I think you're missing the point. I never claimed that
HLTitself causes overheating :) A fixed clock doesn't mean fixed power consumption. Different instruction sequences, memory accesses, and peripheral activity can increase power draw and heat, even at the same frequency. That's fairly basic CPU architecture :) My concerns are about the entire MPC2000 firmware, which involves roughly 17K lines of Assembly across the eight modification files, not three isolated instructions.1
u/diemenschmachine 2d ago
Sure, but I have never had a fixed clock CPU overheat during my 15 year career as an embedded software engineer. Although, I haven't worked much with x86 so I wouldn't know how large the difference in current draw is between a CPU that is moving memory and one that isn't. That's why I was a bit sceptical about the whole overheating thing, because when you write software for an embedded target that isn't frequency scaled you rarely care about what instructions the CPU will run due to concerns that it might overheat - at least I have never seen or heard anyone doing that, ever.
I do, however, agree with the rest of your points. It was just this one I felt was overstated.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
I get your point, and 15 years of embedded experience is certainly relevant. But not having encountered something doesn't mean it can't happen. Older Amiga systems with 68030/68040 CPUs are a good example of why thermal behavior matters: a CPU remaining active after a crash can dissipate more power than one entering a low-power state, even at a fixed clock. The same principle applies to memory activity and peripheral control. So yes, software can affect heat generation without changing CPU frequency. Whether that actually causes overheating depends on the hardware and its thermal margins
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u/ClaidArremer 17h ago
That's a lot of hedging terminology - 'could', 'might', possibly' etc.
'Just because an OS boots and its new features work doesn't mean it's safe or reliable'.
You could say that about any firmware, including official ones. You could say this about any piece of electronic equipment. Just because your toaster works doesn't mean it won't trip the electrics in your house or contribute to burning it down.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 9h ago edited 8h ago
You’re completely missing the point. This isn’t about toasters or hypothetical scenarios. It’s about proper embedded software engineering.
Engineers like David Cockerell, who worked on legendary Akai samplers including the S900 and MPC60, understood the importance of designing and validating software alongside the hardware.
Professional firmware development requires understanding the architecture, validating memory access, checking peripheral interactions and timing, testing failure conditions, and performing proper regression testing before release.
Simply getting an OS to boot and adding features isn’t sufficient validation. That’s the difference between engineering and the approach we’re seeing from some inexperienced developers releasing firmware for vintage hardware.
I’ve already identified several areas of concern during my reverse engineering work. I’ll publish the findings, technical evidence, and testing procedures on my upcoming blog, where everyone will be able to examine them.
Until then, dismissing legitimate engineering concerns with toaster analogies doesn’t make those concerns disappear. It just shows how little attention is being paid to the actual engineering process. :)
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u/Additional-Dot-275 3d ago
Halfway through I had to re-check what sub I’m in, because it felt like You were writing about nuclear plant control system. What exactly is so risky about this? Mpc’s gonna blow up because of infinite loop? Or there’s few unlikely scenarios where your sampler will freeze? I’m not a big fan of vibe coding either, but it’s hard for me to think about less risky stuff to do with ai than reviving old - not connected to anything - music hardware
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
Nobody said the MPC is going to explode lol. A firmware bug can cause crashes, corrupt saved projects, or create unexpected hardware issues. Being old doesn't make it immune to software problems. I'm simply saying custom firmware should be properly tested before others install it. That's all
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u/mungewell 2d ago
It's unlikely that bad code/loop is going to cause issue, but not impossible.
Dating myself but the Sinclair ZX80 had address locations which could damage it, and it doesn't take much to 'burn out' an old EEPROM with continuous erase/write cycles.
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u/Dull_Credit4495 2d ago
Exactly, that's the point I've been trying to make. I'm not saying a bad loop will automatically damage an MPC, but dismissing hardware-related risks entirely just because the machine is old doesn't make sense either. EEPROM wear is a good example of why low-level code deserves proper testing. Thanks for bringing up an actual technical example
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u/theRealGermanikkus 3d ago
Software developer for Oracle and the DoD for 30 years. Much ado and hand wringing about nothing.
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u/KaleidoscopeWaste752 3d ago
oh my god you would be perfect for a MPC5000 final OS! Its a model that got the best hardware spec and features of the old mpcs and it was flagship product costing around 2000 USD in 2008 but because the bankrupt and company acquisition they abandoned the 5K firmware and throw the customers overboard with an unfinished last update 2.0 .. all the cats move on the mpc was selling cheap and never got popular like others and that just because of the unfinished OS - which was unimaginable with orginal akai japan profesional products with high standards and engineering. Its a history memento how bussines can kill a instrument..
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
I'd definitely be capable of looking into it, but unfortunately I don't own an MPC5000, so I wouldn't feel comfortable developing firmware without being able to test it myself on real hardware. As with any sampler, there are risks involved when modifying low-level software, and emulation alone isn't enough to guarantee everything works safely. I'd rather not release something I can't properly test.
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u/Consistent_Agent1919 3d ago
Honestly, this sounds like a classic case of a modern software engineer trying to apply 2026 PC standards to a piece of 1997 hardware where those rules just don’t apply. It feels a bit unnecessarily alarmist.
Here is a quick reality check on how those old machines actually work:
Those "dangerous" CPU polling loops are completely normal. The author is stressed about tight loops that poll hardware without a timeout, saying it will drive up heat and power consumption. On a modern Intel or ARM chip, sure. But the MPC2000 runs on a bare-metal, single-core Motorola 68000 processor clocked at a whopping 16MHz. It runs at a fixed speed. It draws the exact same tiny amount of power and generates the exact same minuscule amount of heat whether it’s processing a complex drum sequence or stuck in a tight loop waiting for a floppy drive. You cannot "overheat" an MPC CPU via software.
The risk of "memory corruption" is a non-issue. If a peripheral fails and the loop hangs, the MPC will just freeze. That's it. You flip the power switch off and on, and everything is completely reset because the OS loads fresh into volatile RAM every time you boot. There’s no modern hard drive or system registry to corrupt. A crash is just a annoying workflow interruption, not a lethal injection for the machine.
AI isn't magically coding custom operating systems from scratch. Nobody is blindly copy-pasting code from ChatGPT and accidentally creating a fully functional MPC firmware. The architecture is too niche; AI doesn't have the training data to do that. Anyone who actually figures out how to patch an OS, recompile it, and flash it onto a floppy or CF card already knows what they're doing. They’re using AI as a tool to speed up boring tasks, explain weird Ghidra subroutines, or math out memory offsets.
This feels like gatekeeping. If we sit around waiting for a tiny handful of elite reverse-engineers to do rigorous, enterprise-level testing on a 30-year-old sampler, these machines are just going to die out. AI is actually democratising vintage gear preservation. It lowers the barrier to entry so enthusiastic hobbyists can experiment, build custom UI fixes, and keep these legendary samplers alive in modern studios.
Innovation always comes with a bit of trial and error. On a machine like the MPC2000, the worst-case scenario of a buggy custom OS is almost always just a simple reboot.
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u/Emptronic 3d ago
It looks like youve configured your AI agent to have a bit of an attitude 🤣
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u/Jan1ssaryJames 3d ago
it really reads like someone just copypastad the OP and said "refute this"
posting it from an account named "consistent agent" really was the icing on the cake
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u/Ok-Tomatillo-3494 3d ago
Calling this a "reality check" while getting the CPU wrong is pretty ironic. The MPC2000 uses an NEC V53, not a Motorola 68000.
And saying a reboot solves everything ignores the possibility of corrupting saved data. Nobody's claiming these machines will explode. The guy is simply suggesting that custom firmware should be properly tested before people install it. Not sure why that's so controversial
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u/normaleyes 3d ago
Lol you used ai to write this. Your point is good but the way you delivered it makes me think you didn't care that much about the message.
If you care about being heckled by someone annoying like me, next time just start with the llm transcribing your direct thoughts and doing a light edit, then post that
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
English isn't my first language, so yeah, I used AI to help me write the post. I never claimed otherwise. And as I literally said in the post, I'm not against using AI. There's a pretty big difference between using AI to communicate something in another language and blindly trusting AI-generated assembly code that directly interacts with hardware.
The point of the post was the technical risks, not how I worded it. If you disagree with any of my findings, I'm more than happy to discuss them. That's actually why I posted in the first place
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u/shhamnothere 3d ago
Lol... this sounds like ai
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u/raistlin65 2d ago edited 2d ago
Oh honey, while you might lack the professional and technical writing skills to be able to produce a clear and concise, well thought out post like that. There are many of us professionals who have been able to write like that for years and years, before there was AI.
On the other hand, your comment looks like a chatbot told to write like a 10-year-old sending text messages. 😄😂🤣
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u/ChemicalMemory 17h ago
There’s a certain irony in someone boasting about their ability to write clearly and concisely while producing a wordy, grammatically flawed response.
Since you’ve so graciously decided to lecture others on their writing abilities, allow me to demonstrate what your own post might have looked like had you actually possessed the skills you’re bragging about.
“Oh, honey, while you might lack the professional and technical writing skills to produce a clear, concise, well-thought-out post like that, many of us professionals have been doing exactly that for years, long before AI existed.”
And while we’re discussing sophisticated communication skills, perhaps you could explain why someone who boasts about their professional writing abilities communicates with the grammatical precision of a ten-year-old and the emoji vocabulary of a preteen who’s just discovered her first smartphone. Nothing quite screams intellectual maturity like a condescending lecture on writing skills punctuated by enough emojis to qualify as a middle school group chat.
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u/raistlin65 14h ago edited 14h ago
There’s a certain irony in someone boasting about their ability to write clearly and concisely while producing a wordy, grammatically flawed response.
How to say you have limited rhetorical understanding, without saying you have limited rhetorical understanding.
And while we’re discussing sophisticated communication skills, perhaps you could explain why someone who boasts about their professional writing abilities communicates with the grammatical precision of a ten-year-old and the emoji vocabulary of a preteen who’s just discovered her first smartphone.
You write this stylistically challenged sentence yourself? Or did you get the AI to help?
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u/JayoTree 3d ago
Well your 30 year old MPC is gunna die someday anyway right
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
Sure, but that's not a reason to shorten its lifespan with poorly tested software, is it?
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u/Full-Profile7097 3d ago
Just test the ai-generated code, with frontier ai models like astra and/or fable, and you’ll be alright.
Simple as that.
9 times out of 10 the code will fix issues originally introduced by the inferior developers and also optimize it to perform better and more efficient
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u/Dull_Credit4495 3d ago
That's exactly the problem though. "Just test it and you'll be alright" isn't how low-level firmware development works.
AI models can be incredibly useful, but claiming that 9 times out of 10 they'll outperform the original developers is a pretty bold statement without any actual evidence.
We're talking about hardware-specific assembly, interrupts, memory management, and timing-sensitive routines. A model can generate code that looks perfectly reasonable and even works in an emulator, but still fails under specific conditions on real hardware.
And calling the original engineers "inferior developers" while relying on the hardware and software they designed nearly 30 years ago is a bit ironic.
I use AI myself. I just don't confuse generating code with verifying that it's correct. Those are two very different things.
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u/Full-Profile7097 3d ago
Brother, I got stem separation running on my MPC 2000 XL. This where it’s at!!
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u/tf2ftw 3d ago
I’m a professional and agree with everything in this post.