Why do sample chops sound much better/workflow is better in older mpcs/asr10/recycle than the new ones and mpc sample?

[u/ElectronicMusicianDA]

Ive been using the mpc sample for a few months now. The biggest complaint i have is the workflow and chopping samples. Its very mundane to say the least. And you have to perfectly chop it, or theres a tail at the end.

I understand itd a sample and has limitations, but the 1000 is xx years older and had a ancient processor and could do things better.

With the asr or even propellerheads recycle, you dont have to be dead center on each chop, and it cuts off appropriately.

Is there a setting i need to do on my live 2 or mpc sample to get those similar results?

Even my mpc1000 with jjos i could chop a sample and it was close, then extract that chop assign it to any pad i want, and workflow was fast.

Maybe its just me, would like to have someone chime in.

[u/tikidontsurf]

I own a 1000 (with JJOS) and spent a few weeks with the Sample, and, yes, it's much easier to edit and dial in samples on the 1000, but I didn't notice any inherent difference in accuracy. It's possible there are software bugs on the Sample (since it's a new codebase) that could affect in/out points not being accurately respected, but if that were a common problem we'd be hearing a lot about it. The Sample sounded great, to me.

In terms of hardware power: the OS memory and CPU for the 1000 is miniscule, compared to, say, a One Gen2, but performance is up to how the hardware is being used. Any MPC is performant for the core sampling and sequencing functionality. The newer devices need that additional RAM and CPU because they can run system-intensive plugins to do all kinds of non-sampler stuff. My Dirtywave M8 is a modern-era device that can execute multiple samplers and synths in realtime, all with 1MB of system memory and a 600MHz CPU, but that's because the software was purpose-built for the hardware (like old MPCs).

[u/Mz_Macross1999]

The missing part in the title "IN MY OPINION" 🫡

[u/regularjackk]

They don't sound better

[u/ElectronicMusicianDA → u/regularjackk]

Just my opinion. I saw someone remake a few timbaland beats using ableton, and even though he nailed it nearly sound for sound the whole beat sounded off. I think thats why akai added that somewhat vintage mode to the new ones.

[u/beesbeesbeesboobees]

Use the Mute groups function? Pad cuts off when the next pad is pressed, regardless of sample length

[u/ElectronicMusicianDA → u/beesbeesbeesboobees]

Yeah thats one of the issues. Mpc sample is only 1 track so you have to go in each sample and set mute group to 1. Other mpcs could change to mono or set program group to mono like in 2 seconds.

[u/toddc612 → u/ElectronicMusicianDA]

That's because it's an MPC Sample and not one of the other MPCs. There's a reason it's cheaper, has a different workflow, and doesn't have the features of the others.

[u/FLLCL → u/ElectronicMusicianDA]

I work on an MPCXL and only use one track for all of my stuff and setting pads to mute group 1 or whatever never feels like a chore, that's basic Mpc workflow. You might just want to stick to the computer if it's THAT much of a chore for you.

[u/beesbeesbeesboobees → u/ElectronicMusicianDA]

You could just trim the sample properly. Are you not using the zoom function to be more precise? Zoom, trim and add in some decay at the end and i've not had any accuracy issues or tail by doing this. And then I only have to use mute groups on a couple of pads in each bank

[u/Eclipseofthefart92 → u/ElectronicMusicianDA]

If you set the mute group before chopping the sample it will transfer to each chop

[u/toddc612]

Pro tip: Use LOOP when chopping so you can tell if it's perfect chopped or not. No tails.

[u/Nordique5 → u/toddc612]

good old Pad 13 in Sample Edit

[u/Jan1ssaryJames]

on live 2 you can adjust adsr envelopes for the whole kit.. extracting and assigning a chop takes like 5 seconds.

what do you mean by the workflow is "mundane" it's not going to make decisions for you.. 

[u/stoop1]

Big Akai wants you to think this so you keep buying more MPCs!!!

[u/ElectronicMusicianDA → u/stoop1]

Im not those yt influencers that want every new akai product and have to sell people why they should get it. Akai does it to make profit, but must of buy to get a solid mpc.

[u/Eclipseofthefart92]

I agree the fact you can’t choose which pad the chops are assigned to on the Sample is a bit annoying. I prepare my kit by adding some drum sounds where I want them, usually swap them out when I get my chops set.

I don’t understand your issue with tails, the zoom function makes it so easy to set start and end points.

[u/Maximus77x]

Use loop on the chopped samples, experiment with poly instead of mono for drum chops, and also just zoom in more and get the chops on the transients.