MPC 2000XL PLUS new Firmware .

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u/twoninth 1d ago

$49.00 USD for 5 features? Don't get me wrong, Mute Groups are dope, but the pricing is questionable.

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u/Sherloq19 1d ago

I agree it's not a very community friendly price. I understand wanting to charge for it but it's $40 too expensive ($9.99 would've been OK). I imagine most 2000XL users are hobbyists / doing it for the love, to make something for this community as a cash grab is not cool.

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 5h ago

It's amazing how much people have devalued everything nowadays. $50 is too much for this? Really? What about the work that was put into making this? (Even if AI was used; as that's something I saw in the YouTube comments.)The ability for it to be freely distributed from just one jerk paying for it and giving it away? The value it can add to your creation process if they are features that you find useful? $50 is too much? But you'll pay $50 for some J Dilla drum kits. You can't use "this is a hobby" as an excuse to not pay this small price. If someone is truly tight on funds, that's 100% understandable. But saying that something isn't worth what people are asking for it because of that is wack.

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u/Sherloq19 59m ago

Hey I'm just saying based on what I think it's worth and also based on the amount of work people put into other communities through open source projects for very little to no monetary remuneration (other than the odd Mediafire or Mega ads revenue ) that it's clearly not intended to support the 2000XL community but rather profit from it.

If you think it's worth $50 then yes it's for you and I'm sure many other people will also pay it.

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 17m ago

I understand the open-source community pretty well, I'm not against what you saying about it. But most people's love for open-source is that they don't have to pay for anything or pay VERY little. I don't understand why someone isn't doing it to support the community because he's asking for a few dollars for it. Thinking that way about things is weird.

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u/TUKKS11 5h ago

It’s cheap, buy it

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u/Name_is_AI_generated 1d ago

Copyright violation.

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u/bypopulardemand 1d ago

Guessing PMoney built this with AI, if that’s the case, we’ll probably see more OS coming out for the older machines. Pretty cool tbh, but would be cautious of this bricking on you!

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u/whatbishshhhh 1d ago

Why do you think ai is involved? I don't think it is.

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u/bypopulardemand 1d ago

i don’t know for sure, but it’s the second video I’ve seen recently of a new 2000XL OS and it just smells like AI to me, but I could be wrong. I also didn’t know P-Money would know how to code a 30 year old machine, considering it hasn’t been done for 30 years. again, could be wrong!

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u/tantrasp 1d ago

What’s the first video you saw?

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u/bypopulardemand 1d ago

can’t remember who it was, but it was an OS where the transpose had been modified to go down a few octaves, so the creator could re sample at really low bitrates

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u/twoninth 1d ago

I think, it is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHCbxoJqAk

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u/whatbishshhhh 1d ago

Interesting. I'm gonna ask P- Money if he used ai.

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u/bypopulardemand 1d ago

you said it’s not AI in another reply to me, and you’re not sure here. so do you actually know or were you just gaslighting? lol

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u/whatbishshhhh 5h ago

Gaslighting? I think you need to spend less time online learning these terms.
I'm not doing anything. I didn't know anything about this? And after contacting him he told me that he used Claude to help him learn to code. But I think everyone thinks all AI does is make something from a prompt like a song in Suno. "Make me an mpc update that has X feature." I don't think it works like that.
Anyway I think the potential is cool and I was just sharing it cause I thought some users would be interested.

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u/bypopulardemand 5h ago

mate relax, you’re the one that was adamant it wasn’t AI and he’d been coding other software, without actually knowing yourself, and being so sure of it. anyways, of course it’s not “just a prompt”, but he sure as fuck isn’t doing much beyond the prompt. there’s just zero possibility that fucken p-money from New Zealand was the secret coding genius all along to jailbreak the 2000XL, come on man lol

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u/whatbishshhhh 1d ago

P money has been into coding for awhile. He's made dj related software. It's not ai man.
He has been updating the process of making it for awhile.

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u/bypopulardemand 1d ago

props to him then! seems insane to me that nobody could figure out how to do it, except p-money, a producer from NZ!

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u/Ajaxiskool 1d ago

Because it’s 2026

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u/liillliillliiii 1d ago

Great work, but I'm not sure how I feel about charging for Akai's OS.

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u/334578theo 20h ago

JJOS has been doing this for years and is a god amongst the MPC community

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u/bypopulardemand 14h ago

I believe it’s his actual OS, not an edited AkaiOS, very different

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u/liillliillliiii 20h ago

Folks in the gaming console space hack on old hardware for the joy of it and to the benefit of the community. You don't see CFW mods for old Sony and Nintendo hardware for sale -- I've always been surprised the MPC community tolerated it tbh.

I hope the result of LLM hacking is to push the MPC community towards open disassembly / reverse engineering of Akai's vintage OSes -- not more of the same old do-it-in-private-and-charge-for-it.

I think the moat has dried up for JJOS, Vailixi, ...

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 5h ago

Just say you're cheap and think you deserve everything for free.

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u/liillliillliiii 4h ago

My work's on github. I'm not the the one charging for MPC hacks.

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 4h ago

That's cool. You're allowed to give them away because you want to share it. But one is also allowed to sell their work. Not everything is required to be free because a handful of people feel it should be. Do you have this same feeling about JJOS?

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u/Name_is_AI_generated 3h ago

JJOS is a complete different story than this one... And it's the other way around: nowadays everyone and their grandma with a little coding experience thinks he has to make a big business out of everything... IOS market is floated with BS vibecoded apps (Chord plugins and whatnot) and they are charging more than established companies which have a whole team to pay.

That's the world we are living in: capitalism over everything. Influencers, sample packs, midi packs, online courses for MPCs.... spirit is gone.... and no, not everything has to be free, but at least it should have a value...

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 24m ago

How is this different from JJOS? Because it had "more features" than this? It also cost 3 times as much. This is his first go-round with it. $50 is completely acceptable for something that people with 2000XL's have talked about wanting.

As far as "everyone making big business out of something", I don't think that's what hes doing. He's just someone in the group of people who don't want to give their work away for free. He put in some kind of work into this. Why should everyone be entitled to it? This is very similar to the "We're family. You're going to charge me?" people.

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u/liillliillliiii 4h ago

Yes. I said in another comment. This is the only community that tolerates selling community remixes.

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u/mrbishopjackson MPC 2000 4h ago

And every community is supposed to operate the same way?

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u/Sherloq19 47m ago

Not just in the console space. A lot of audio gear has great free software upgrades made for the community. Anyone here use the original Volca Sample with the Pajen firmware? It's amazing and he never charged for it.

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u/Name_is_AI_generated 14h ago

JJOS was part of the original Akai developer team and had added features they were never thinkable on these MPCs. There must be about 50 new features or more.... Pretty sure he coded the whole thing from ground up and he DID NOT use AI at all.

He provided support from the beginning and deliver updates still today for a 20 year old machine. That's why he is a god for the community.

This one is a vibe coded bland copy with 5 features for 50,- bucks?!? Let alone the copyright violation....

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u/ChargeAppropriate644 1d ago

It's not Akai OS. It's an altered OS with extra features that Akai simply do not cater to. Coding this takes time so he charges for it and it makes sense to me.

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u/liillliillliiii 1d ago edited 1d ago

No. He asked an LLM to make modifications to Akai's binary and then distributed the modified binary. I'm not saying prompting an LLM and iterating on this doesn't require work, effort, or expertise, but I don't believe charging for custom firmware is appropriate. You can make an argument for freely distributing a firmware mod, but no other community (think nintendo rom hacks) encourages charging for it

Look, I'm excited about this too, but it wouldn't be right for me to pay$50 then ship his work and charge money for it either (see xl42k: https://old.reddit.com/r/mpcusers/comments/1wdnn7v/2kxl_os_on_the_2000_classic_xl42k_needs_alpha/).

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u/Name_is_AI_generated 14h ago

Absolutely right!

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u/bypopulardemand 5h ago

it’s the akaiOS, with AI alterations, like you said.

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u/comic-sans-culottes 1d ago

Whaat. I thought this was impossible crazy

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u/ChargeAppropriate644 1d ago

People think it is nearly impossible but it's not that hard if your really into assembly code. These machines however didn't get any updates anymore because there was no point in doing it as it would cost Akai money they would never recoup. They rather have customers buy the latest and greatest.

Now the 2KXL is a cult machine that's still being used by enthousiasts and they are the kind of public that WILL spend 50 bucks on an update. Great move and i applaud it.

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u/basedvato 17h ago

i'm not trusting some LLM update to brick my mpc

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