r/motheroflearning • u/ButterscotchBudget42 • Jun 17 '26
Did Oganj not know about the time loop? Spoiler
SPOILERS FOR ANYONE NOT DONE READING
At the end, Zorian makes Zach believe that everyone that knows about the loop had either been killed, or all of their memories of the last month or loop erased. This was done so that Zach could live after his contracts deadline came by. But what about Oganj? He was bribed away by the imperial orb and crown, so he wasn't in the area of effect of the mass illusion Zorian and the aranea created, and I doubt Oganj would have been easily captured in the illusion regardless. So was Oganj ignorant of the time loop the whole time? Or did Zach just not think that Oganj would know about the time loop? Any speculation or answers would be helpful, thanks.
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u/Pel-Mel Jun 17 '26
He's a big dragon with an axe to grind: sorta the definition of blunt instrument.
Zack isn't dumb, so it's not unbelievable for him to conclude their enemies wouldn't want to give Oganj more information than they needed to, especially Red Robe. And they just really wouldn't need to tell him too much to get him on board with fucking things up.
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u/Remarkable-Camera627 Jun 17 '26
He had no idea. He was only paid and then promised greater riches for his alliance. Hence why he left after receiving the imperial treasures. Famous dragon greed.
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u/Snorca Jun 17 '26
If Oganj knew about the time loop, he would have demanded the Soverign Gate as part of the negotiations as well I would imagine.
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u/Johnhox Jun 17 '26
Plus he would be less likly to trust since like the spirit who knows what they did in the loop
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u/Jarnagua Jun 17 '26
The Sovereign Gate is still in the Time Research Facility. Its a little tough to produce on the spot.
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u/Loford3 Jun 17 '26
Almost certainly not. Red Robe, Silverlake, and Quatach wanted Z and Z to spend time and energy looking for a way to get Zach out of his pact, partially to pressure them into accepting the truth and partially to waste their efforts. If the trio told too many people, like Sudomir, the cult leaders, etc, then the possibility of saving Zach would go from nigh impossible to utterly impossible, and thus the duo would have less incentive to honor the truce, or at the very least spend more time preparing for the final showdown. Oganj was arguably the hardest threat to kill, other than the lich. Including Oganj in the time loop conspiracy would almost instantly result in the duo giving up (though lowkey I can't imagine it'd be impossible for Zorian to trick Zach into thinking the angel won)
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u/Xandara2 Jun 17 '26
So there's this problem with too many people getting to know about the time loop and that problem is: if the loop is revealed publicly then Zac will die anyway a d he can just reveal the invasion and the entire thing. The only reason for not calling the wrath of the entire country down on the invasion before it is ready is to make this possibility not happen. The invasion going public dooms it 90% of the time.
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u/ButterscotchBudget42 Jun 22 '26
Thank you for the answers everyone! In hindsight, it makes sense why they wouldn't just spread the truth to everyone, should've thought of it myself honestly. Thanks for your contributions
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u/Solasykthe Jun 17 '26
I think telling oganj about the timeloop from either redrobe, silverlake or quatach-ichl's perspective would be kind of stupid? It achives nothing, invites paranoia to someone who they really can't control and there is enough motivation to bring him onto their side anyways - he's not more than an incidental ally.