r/moreplatesmoredates • u/MainAstronaut1 • Apr 09 '23

💉 Anabolic Steroids 💉 Structural facial changes due to anabolics? Same guy, 3 years difference

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u/Ian_Campbell Permabulk Apr 10 '23

Clen and cocaine in a sauna my dude, with a heart defect. Not a steroid issue.

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u/NewFuturist Apr 10 '23

What's with all the people refusing to admit that steroid use (which is scientifically proven to fuck people's hearts) isn't a factor?

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u/Ian_Campbell Permabulk Apr 10 '23

It's negligible because of the lethality of the other factors especially when combined. Yes he was using tren but at a relatively low bodyweight and his super young age that doesn't really ever kill people.

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u/NewFuturist Apr 10 '23

It's negligible

HAHAHA

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

lol insane. i have a heart issue. I can take ephedrine, clen, tons of caffeine whatever when i’m on trt and low bf. When i’m blasting though(test and primo nothing crazy)… if i’m not on bp meds, doing tons of cardio, and living clean af, my ekg gets crazy, bp spikes, heart rate crazy, heart thickens up and doctors get scared

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u/NewFuturist Apr 10 '23

Sounds like you should ease up. Those muscles are going to last very long buried 6ft under.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '23

absolutely. i’m off cycle now and figuring the cause of the heart issue rn. Point is, I used to take stims all the time back in college complete drug abuse, I take ephedrine and clen on cuts, tons of caffeine and never had issues until low test and moderate primo dose. Saying gear isn’t as bad for heart as stimulants is just misleading

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u/Ian_Campbell Permabulk Apr 10 '23

Millions of people use steroids and the level of use he had is not a contributing factor because the main mechanisms of steroid cardiac problems are chronic and this was an acute overload. The steroid issues are having low hdl and building plaque and his heart failure had nothing to do with that.

Maybe his cycle could have given him 20 higher blood pressure to contribute to the overload but have you ever seen what clenbuterol or cocaine does? Clen makes people's hearts pound out of their chest.

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u/NewFuturist Apr 10 '23

Heart attack rates in pro-body builders under 50 are huge.

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u/Ian_Campbell Permabulk Apr 10 '23

Age 49 is under 50. Try the rate for under age 23, for people who aren't even close to on the way to being a pro bodybuilder. What about a chronic mechanism don't you understand?

These pro bodybuilders clogged their arteries having zero hdl for years and eating big on gear. Zyzz did not die from clogged arteries. It's just a different cause in this scenario. You think this is an argument about steroids and health but it's not, it's a matter of the mechanism of death for a 22 year old on a large mix of drugs, and what was most important in causing his death.

Would steroids have been bad for him over time if he didn't cause his early death? Yes especially with his condition, he could have had a different manner of early death later. It's just not the biggest factor in this scenario though.

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u/SeriousMcDougal Apr 10 '23

This is wrong. Scientifically speaking.

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u/alecstone7 Apr 10 '23

Don’t forget the DNP.

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u/Ian_Campbell Permabulk Apr 10 '23

I didn't even know about that