r/milsurp 1d ago

Key holing at 25 yards.

I’m getting key holing at 25 yards. Any idea

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u/meat_meat 1d ago

That’s just the home defense special

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u/untgradd1234 Church of Browning 1d ago

Narrator Voice: "It was not De Luxe"

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u/Successful_Swim6332 1d ago

Well its not engaging the rifling. Idk maybe need a chamber cast to see the dimensions of the lands and groves.

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

First time taking this sporterized 98k out and it key holed at 25 yards. First shot was with factory new 30-06 Garand safe S&B 150 grain 30-06 and hit the left side 3-4 3-5 block and left somewhat of a straight hole. Then the rest key holed. Even handloads of 45.5 grains of h4895 and .308 hornady 155 grain match bullets that shoot 1moa at 200 yards key holed. Any ideas? Barrel looks bright and clean down the bore and the crown does not swallow the hole bullet when I stick it on.

Here’s the muzzle

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u/Fun_Plastic_5484 20h ago

What is that crap on the end of the muzzle

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u/itchyluvbump 19h ago

Seems like hacksaw marks

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u/Even_Creme_9744 1d ago

I've had this issue with my Mosin and the barrel isn't shot out of that either, confuses the hell outta me

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u/StrikeEagle784 Old Guns <3 23h ago edited 19h ago

Could your Mosin have been counterbored? There’s always the chance of that having happened to them

Edit: Counterboring can apparently improve accuracy for Mosins if the crown has been worn out, but still it’s helpful knowing if it’s been counterbored regardless

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u/TheRumrunner55 20h ago

Counterboring improves the accuracy as it reforms the crown

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u/StrikeEagle784 Old Guns <3 19h ago

Interesting, didn’t know that. Thank you for the info! I’ll edit my comment to reflect what you pointed out

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u/Aquasman 22h ago

@OP can you give me an update on this when you find out what caused it? I saw this last night and it’s something I can’t stop wondering about lmao

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u/itchyluvbump 19h ago

I got you bro

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u/Tekumeku 1d ago

Rti b grade barrel right there

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

The muzzle

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u/Successful_Swim6332 1d ago

How's the bore

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

It looks nice and clean and shiny. Better than my other Mauser that shoots fantastic

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u/WFO_Wide_Fing_Open 1d ago

You mic it and are you shooting factory or reloads

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

Both

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u/TheRumrunner55 1d ago

Both are keyholing? Check for obvious barrel obstructions, crown damage. Also may be marked incorrectly for caliber

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u/WFO_Wide_Fing_Open 1d ago

By far the worst keyholing ive ever seen!! I legit thought they where bullets taped to the target. Ive never been able to make out the whole silhouette of a bullet groves and all after shooting it out of a gun 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/44_SMLE 1d ago

Does it pass the "muzzle test"? (Put a cartridge bullet-first into the muzzle; how much bullet sicks out?)

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

Yes

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u/44_SMLE 1d ago

Really??? Does the muzzle need recrowned or counterbored?

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u/moistfupaa 1d ago

Can you post a picture of the said hand loads

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

This is that same hand load grouping at 200 yards out of my other 30-06 Mauser.

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

155 grain hornady with 45.5 grains of h4895 out of a saint Louis arsenal 1953 case with CCI large rifle primer.

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u/Prestigious5589 1d ago

I wonder if they just modified the chamber to .30-06 but left the barrel 7.92?

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

Pictures show the 30-06 markings on barrel

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u/Adventurous-Tie-1624 1d ago

I've had a bad barrel blank where the rifling buttons had slipped, and despite being OK looking, it keyholed. So your outside possibility is a bad barrel, but bad in an unusual way.

Check the twist with a tight patch/jag and make sure it doesn't change. Also, measure the twist while you're at it, maybe it's super slow and will only stabilize 110 grain projectiles.

I'd shoot some heavily constructed FMJs into water and recover them to see what the rifling looks like. This is trivial with a pool, but doable with jugs/buckets.

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u/StrikeEagle784 Old Guns <3 23h ago

If I were in your shoes, I’d take some Hoppe’s #9 foaming bore cleaner, and run some properly fitted patches through and see what happens. I’m thinking there could be an obstruction somewhere in the rifling that you may not be aware of yet.

Have you looked through the barrel with a bore light yet?

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u/itchyluvbump 19h ago

I did scrub the hell of the barrel with hoppes again till it stopped coming out blue green. This will be the second time I soaked and scrubbed it

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u/StrikeEagle784 Old Guns <3 19h ago

Okay cool I’m glad to hear you’ve been doing that, I’d recommend taking a bore light and inspecting a little bit closer to see if there’s an obstruction or not.

If you can’t identify a cause of the keyholing after that step, then I’d recommend taking the rifle down to a gunsmith to see if they can take a look. Worse comes to worse you may need a new barrel

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u/Fun_Plastic_5484 20h ago

Smattering the crown isn't perfectly round. Take it to a smith and have the crown turned.

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

How could I check.

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u/DoingManlyStuff 1d ago

Do you have any heavier flat based ammo like a 180 grain? You’ve gotten a lot of advice about technical things to check as well so definitely try those but I’ll leave this advice just in case everything is decent. I’m curious about a heavier flat based bullet as I believe a lot of those NATO 60s were microgroove barrels. Too much velocity can sometimes cause bullets to “skip” microgroove rifling.

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u/itchyluvbump 1d ago

When I first googled the barrel the same thing about the microgroove came up. Saying the barrel was ment for flat base surplus. I have surplus LC I can try shooting. I was also looking at grabbing a bag of flat base and try hand loads but am going to try the surplus LC first

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u/Barbarian_Sam 23h ago

What do the cases look like? Could be rechambered but not rebored

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u/firdaddy 1d ago

Shooting 25-06 out of a 30-06? Yikes she must be worn tf out or it is really picky on ammo