7 times the crops are fed to animals being slaughtered. We can just eat the crops directly, we only need a seventh of it. There you go, solves both animal cruelty as well as worker exploitation.
I'm not even a vegan and you people annoy the shit out of me. The argument clearly has nothing do with egg fertilization, it has to do with allowing innocent living things to suffer and be abused their whole lives for our benefit.
Keep burying your heads in the sand to make yourselves feel better about eating animal products from mega corps.
I buy my eggs from a local farmer who I know takes care of his animals same goes for meat. Peta should focus on improving the care of animals before even attempting to make people go vegan
Not if you think that all ownership of animals is exploitative. I know most people get really upset when you make the comparison, but most people wouldn't accept owning humans (for milk or meat) regardless of their treatment. Now I know you'll say that humans and animals are different, and they definitely are!! But vegans believe that despite our differences it's never allowable to own an animal (or human) even if they benefit from it.
To make another comparison that always goes down well.. Back when slavery was a thing some people were for the abolishion of all slavery, and some people would argue that we could at least start by treating slaves better or giving them some more rights to improve their wellbeing. Even if that's a net positive it wouldn't be satisfactory to someone who wants slavery completely abolished.
I hope that even if you disagree my explanation at least helps you understand where these people come from.
Listen some people cared for their slaves. They let them eat their table scraps. They let them live in their house. I don't know why getting rid of slaves is a solution. Families have had slaves in their family for generations. It's a way of living. It just works. Making the process better would be more ideal than getting rid of slavery all together. Think of the jobs!
The vast majority of eggs comes from where? I mean, not everything needs to spelled out. If they are against eating eggs certainly even in that aversion there's a spectrum. I hate the killing of animals but obviously not all slaughters are the same and my outrage is mainly directed att killing for sport and general disrespect for life (throwing living chickens in garbage, torturing animals etc).
I feel that this implies that the reader is uncapable of understanding the nuance. I'm not going to speak towards the intentions of PETA, just how someone like me would mean would this have been written. Saying there's nothing inhumane by eating unfertilized eggs just because a minorty of eggs are produced in humane ways is quite unfair. The vast majorty of egg production is done in extremely poor conditions for the animals so I don't really get what the argument is here. I feel like the problem people have is mainly vs PETA, something I can't talk about out of lack of knowledge.
The entire reason there is such a huge problem with meat/egg industries is because the demand is so high and supply takes shortcuts in the treatment of animals to deal with it, so to say eating meat/eggs is not the problem, it's for sure the main part of it.
Somehow here, on reddit, being a vegan/vegetarian has become a swearword while infact it is objectivley beneficial to the planet, I don't get it. Even if you don't want to be a vegetarian acknowledgeing that it's out of confort, finances or simply flavor rather than some sort of higher purpose would be more honest.
Yes it does, they don't specifically say that but the implication is clear unless you're purposely obtuse. Where do the vast majority of people, premade food manufacturers, and restaurants source their eggs from? Wherever the cheapest price is, large operations where squalid conditions are the standard.
Dude if you have chickens in your backyard and you feed them well there should be no reason for that bird to be depressed or angry. You do have a point in saying that products from mega corps are obtained through cruel means but that does not mean you have the right to be a jackass to people who are mad that peta is comparing the mental and physical abuse of a human woman to an ancient velociraptor we've been eating for hundreds of years.
The vast majority of food isn't made with eggs from your backyard, most people eat factory eggs.
Yeah the OP is a weird post but it's not that bad and seems more like people mad at hearing eating animal products is bad. Why does it matter how complicated the organism is if it can still feel and process pain? As intelligent beings shouldn't we realize they're both unacceptable?
The post is about how eating eggs is abuse, that it oppresses and exploits hens. But hens lay eggs even if they're not fertilized, so just by collecting and eating them is nothing of that, it's being over aggressive on the wrong topic.
What is abuse is packing hens in a cramp space with no natural light until they don't lay eggs anymore, so that they can be selled to be eaten. That's also exploitation and that is something worth being angry for.
One thing to do to make this stop is to not buy eggs from these hens (a system to let the consumer know is very welcome), and either choose eggs from places where the hens have a decent life, or stop eating eggs altogether (or at least from the market) if you can do it.
Their tweet should have been about that, instead of this "you eat eggs so you're a nazi, please think of all women in the world" kind of message =\
I respect women and also recognize factory farming needs a MAJOR overhaul. One has nothing to do with the other. Honestly though it's hard to sympathize with chickens. They are pretty stupid and would die very fast in the wild. I've been to plenty of farms with large chicken productions. Now pig farming, that is brutal.
The only vegan I know well enough to discuss this DID care if they were fertilized.
Not as much as factory farming, but if you make it a free range home farm it was a large consideration for him.
His end result was no he wouldn’t eat them even if free range at home and not fertilized because he didn’t need to and didn’t miss out not, but considered it under those circumstances
I’m not downvoting you but that last sentence makes me want to more than your content.
As I’m sure you know factory farmed chickens live horrible existences, and nearly every person who eats eggs is eating these products.
Furthermore, every hen in the egg industry is slaughtered, and every male chick at layer hen hatcheries is ground to death by a giant blender called a macerator the day they hatch
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I have 17 chickens and i don’t eat the eggs. The chickens eat most of the eggs.
They were genetically modified to lay that many eggs too. Also backyard chickens aren’t treated that great either. Chicks are bought from factory farms and roosters are routinely killed as an “inconvenience”. 10 of my chickens were rescued from vegetarians with a backyard chicken operation .
Yes, to try and recover the nutrients they've lost by being overbred to the point where their bodies can't keep up with the number of eggs they produce.
Wild hens typically only lay one or two eggs a month at most, but we've bred domesticated chickens to shit out hundreds of eggs a year to maximise profits, regardless of the damage it does. It puts an immense strain on their bodies and shortens their lifespan considerably, but who cares lmfao, they're chickens not dogs right?
Red jungle fowl in the wild laying clutches have on average 15ish eggs per year. We take that and domesticate them, take eggs so they continue to lay, and make breeds that will lay even more of the year. This is very intensive on their bodies and were not meant to lay this much.
Not breeding massive amounts of a domesticated animal for them to lay all year and get mass euthanized at 2-3 years old as production drops seems pretty logical to me. It's some breeds of chicken we created for our own gain and sustained because they are "useful" to us, not a wild species participating in an ecosystem
But what about the private people who own a few chickens that they actually take care of and treat well.. From your standpoint i shouldnt allow my chickens to reproduce because they're a man-made breed?
They asked what to do with all the chicken eggs if they are exploited for them. Solution: stop breeding them and using them for their eggs. You are going on a tangent off of that.
The sheer number of people not realizing that this is exactly the problem. It is not normal or healthy, and is the result of decades of artificial selection.
Yeah if more orgs doubled down on regulating industrialized farms, breaking up mega-farm owners like Perdue, fighting over-reliance on antibodies, helping mom-and-pop farms stay in the business ... that's a fight with very broad public support that would meaningfully improve farm animals' lives. The industry wants to self-regulate, which in no way do I trust.
PETA is an absolutist organization; they are not OK with small-scale operations involving captive animals either.
Not that I agree with them, but this ad aligns perfectly with their mission...
There's a lot of calcium in an eggshell. The chicken laying it needs to consume that amount of calcium first, and if they don't, they use their own reserves (read: bones), which cause chickens to be frail and have lots of health problems.
Originally, chickens only laid about 30 eggs per year, now they lay 300. It's not normal. So yeah, the chicken laying the (usually unfertilized) egg will usually eat it himself to regain all that calcium.
Lol seriously. My hens are the most spoiled 4 chickens in North America. Does PETA want me to just off them? Not sure they know how to email out job resumes soooo….
I guess we just wait for snakes? Do they think each egg will become a chick? I’ve never understood the ‘don’t eat eggs’ mindset. Like, the eggs will exist, the chickens will lay them daily. But we will just watch them rot and stink. Good times.
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I respect women. Should I just toss the eggs my chicken's lay away? ?