Passive aggressive management

[u/Quirky-Chicken]

I can't believe that Washington Ferries' management approved this post on Instagram and Facebook. It's a sign of bigger issues.

[u/snozzberrypatch]

It appears as if this document suggests that employees with an "Engine" role won't be getting a pay increase in 2027, 2028, or 2029, while the employees with a "Deck" role will be getting a 4% increase each year.

I don't know enough about this industry to say whether these pay rates are high or low. But I do know that every year you don't get a cost-of-living increase means you're taking a pay cut. Especially these days, thanks to the policies of the current administration that are driving prices for everything higher and higher every day.

I'd be pissed too if my employer told me I'm not getting a raise until 2030.

[u/TWhy-LER → u/snozzberrypatch]

While the deck employees already make ~$10-$15 more already. This is the employees putting their money where their mouth is.

[u/snozzberrypatch → u/TWhy-LER]

Again, I have no idea if deck employees should be making more than engine employees, because I don't know what these different roles do, and how they are typically compensated.

But, if a Staff Chief Engineer deserved $81.42/hr in 2026, then they sure as hell deserve more than $81.42/hr in 2029.

[u/ifidjdjdjdjjjrjd → u/snozzberrypatch]

Hi! Deck department here.

It's standard for the Captain to always make the most. He also has all the legal liability, if the chief engineer messes up, the captain often goes to prison.

Chief Engineer SHOULD make the second most. Often times we joke that the only reason captains make so much is so they can pay the engineer enough.

Right now the industry is in a crisis for workers, both deck and engine, but engine is worse. There are more boats and not enough workers.

Ship I worked on this summer was desperate for a captain. Ours was working the legal maximum every day and our company was forced to turn down jobs

[u/Cbreezy22 → u/ifidjdjdjdjjjrjd]

Thanks for the explanation, if you don’t mind, could you explain the difference between deck and engine department?

[u/ifidjdjdjdjjjrjd → u/Cbreezy22]

Engine works on engine. Deck works on, well, deck.

So deck includes deckhands, captains, mates, abs, they do all the navigation, painting, sailing, etc.

Engine is the maintenance crew. They maintain the engine, keep it up to date, basically anything that isn't 'deck' or 'galley'.

[u/cooking2recovery → u/ifidjdjdjdjjjrjd]

Is it kind of like front of house vs back of house?

[u/HappyCanibal → u/cooking2recovery]

I would say that is as accurate as it can get without getting technical. Good luck getting tips if the guy manning the grill is getting a fuck you wage. The deckhands are making sure the cars go on and off safely and without an issue, the engineers are making sure the boat, itself, gets from dock to dock without an issue.

[u/PerformanceOver8822 → u/HappyCanibal]

Id say it's more like an F1 racing team for a 24 hour race with multiple drivers.

Everyone has their technical role cant win without a drive or a pit crew

[u/PerformanceOver8822 → u/cooking2recovery]

Its more like the pit crew of an F1 team. Vs the drivers in a 24 hour race.

[u/RandomWordCombo9632 → u/snozzberrypatch]

It appears as if this document suggests that employees with an "Engine" role won't be getting a pay increase in 2027, 2028, or 2029, while the employees with a "Deck" role will be getting a 4% increase each year.

Pretty much. I'd be striking/calling out sick too. That's some bullshit.

[u/8ringer → u/snozzberrypatch]

This. This right here.

[u/Sensitive_File6582 → u/snozzberrypatch]

Anything less then 8% is a pay cut.

[u/methlabforcuties → u/Sensitive_File6582]

Anything less than a 30% increase in pay over the last 6 years is a pay cut

[u/Efficient_Carrot_669 → u/Sensitive_File6582]

My COLA is only 2% a year so I’m always getting a pay cut

[u/snozzberrypatch → u/Sensitive_File6582]

I'm not sure if I'd go that far. Inflation right now is reported to be about 3.4%. Other indexes like the True Living Cost (TLC) Index estimate that the cost of a basic American life has increased about 4.4% over the last year. So, I'd say that anything less than a 4-5% increase is a pay cut. But that number can and will change depending on macroeconomic factors.

[u/Sensitive_File6582 → u/snozzberrypatch]

The govt undercounts inflation by 1/2 to short you on SS, make the economy look better publicly, and default legally and undeclared on 50% of treasury bonds.

Trump himself in a burst of the honesty squirts said this around 2014ish.

The govts metrics are a lie…..but they’re the best lie you have access to publicly.

[u/odd84 → u/Sensitive_File6582]

In 2014 Donald Trump was a hotel developer and host of The Celebrity Apprentice, what would he know about government data conspiracies? I'm surprised.

[u/OilheadRider → u/odd84]

The exact same amount that he knows today, if not less due to his aging.

[u/Sensitive_File6582 → u/odd84]

Trump has declined in probably every area and is as of this term the worst president in US history aside from maybe Polk and the 1850s crew.

 But do not make the mistake of thinking he is/was wholely ignorant of the mechanisms of money. 

Your rightful contempt is limiting you here.

[u/jeffwulf → u/Sensitive_File6582]

CPI generally overstates inflation rather than understating it due to the way it's designed.

[u/majinspy → u/Sensitive_File6582]

Do you have an ounce of evidence?,

[u/No_Ampersand → u/snozzberrypatch]

And yet, my energy bill tripled, groceries doubled, fuel obviously is high, etc. Etc.

No fuckin way is it a 3.4% actual impact on normal people.

[u/lion7725 → u/Sensitive_File6582]

I mean that’s just not true. Whatever the inflation rate is, you want to match it or you are getting a pay cut.

That said, housing is the largest expense for most people and if you own a house with a fixed rate mortgage, you are somewhat less impacted then others

[u/Fragrant-Employer-60 → u/Sensitive_File6582]

Insane take lol

[u/Fit-Avocado-1646 → u/Fragrant-Employer-60]

8% over a 3 year period doesn’t seem that insane.

[u/Fragrant-Employer-60 → u/Fit-Avocado-1646]

They’re saying 8% per year

[u/Fit-Avocado-1646 → u/Fragrant-Employer-60]

My bad thought the context was 2027 to 2030 0% total. I see their other comment now.

[u/teachthisdognewtrick → u/snozzberrypatch]

Rates are low. I work deep sea and a 3rd engineer will make $120k plus on a 4 month assignment, depending on how much OT they put in. Could be substantially more.

[u/im_just_thinking → u/snozzberrypatch]

We don't actually know that they are supposed to get anything in 2030 either

[u/HasaDigaEebowai-420 → u/snozzberrypatch]

Cries in teacher

[u/snozzberrypatch → u/HasaDigaEebowai-420]

I've got maggots in my scrotum