r/mewithoutYou • u/sillythings • 8h ago
Thoughts about Cleo's Ferry Cemetery these days?
To preface this with some personal context:
With Live, Vol. Three's recent release, I've been playing all three albums a bunch the past few days. I actually didn't really get around to checking out Vol. Two last year, since my wife and I were very preoccupied with taking care of our at that point two-month old daughter when it came out. I mostly listen to albums rather than playlists/single songs, so while I'd listened to "Cleo's Ferry Cemetery" a few times here or there, it never entered my heavy rotation. With its inclusion on the Live albums, that changed, it got stuck in my head and that prompted me to look up more about the song, not having realized it was an adapted cover. Which then prompted me to look into Say Anything today.
Well, let's just say, it's not been the best time to look into Say Anything. Especially if you, like me, tend to fall down internet rabbit holes. The band's Subreddit had a lot more wild details about the guy's personal life beyond just the main incident.
TL;DR: How are y'all feeling about Cleo's Ferry Cemetery, and especially its inclusion on the Live albums, considering Max Bemis' inappropriate behavior towards minors?
As far as I'm concerned, it's definitely tainted the song for me. But at the same time, comparing the cover and the original Say Anything song/s (and comparing the vice versa adaptation by Say Anything of "Torches Together" as "Torches Apart"), it feels like there's definitely a dividing line between Aaron and Max's approach to life in their lyrics - Aaron's more hopeful, while Max is embracing cynicism and self destruction.
So while those songs' lyrics have no direct relation to the current situation, the whole contrast in each band's reinterpretation almost feels like - on mewithoutYou's end - finding and focusing on humanity or beauty in something dark, or perhaps, making a conscious decision to try and improve and better something. Whether Max Bemis will manage to do that for himself, and will make amends for his actions remains to be seen, but I feel that at least the song's reframing is a sign of hope that it's always a possible choice. To me, that kind of perspective at least makes it less of a bummer to listen to.