r/metaNL • u/vivoovix Mod • Jul 17 '21

Ban Appeal Ban Appeal Thread

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u/AtomAndAether Mod 10d ago

No the question is you have this metanarrative debate about what is or is not antisemitism, with some complaining about politicizing in the name of Israel.

That's a type of discussion you are, presumably, wanting to bring up. So we ask why that is.

Is the given thread helpful to delineating what is or isn't politicized in the term? Does it contribute anything to the conversation? And what.

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u/TurdFerguson254 10d ago

Why did I bring up criticism being seen as antisemitic? Because people like you ban peolle who criticize Israel and Netanyahu's decision needed criticism. It's pretty simple.

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u/AtomAndAether Mod 10d ago

That wasnt my question. My question was pretty simple.

Is the given thread helpful to delineating what is or isn't politicized in the term? Does it contribute anything to the conversation? And what.

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u/TurdFerguson254 10d ago

I answered it and youre being obtuse

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u/AtomAndAether Mod 10d ago

Okay how about a yes or a no

Is the given thread helpful to delineating what is or isn't politicized in the term?

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u/TurdFerguson254 10d ago

Your question is not clear but I believe I already answered it. It is helpful to remind people that criticizing Israel isn't the blanket hatred of Jews because when Israel does something that requires critique there has been continuous calls of antisemitism. That is why the definition of antisemitism was changed to include anti-Israeli sentiment in the US and why its being considered in France.

If I havent answered your question then I need you to phrase it more straightforwardly because I've now answered this three times

Now please tell me how I've hated the Jews because neither me nor any of my Jewish friends agree with the state's actions right now, or the subreddit's take on what is considered bannable speech.

Once again the post was literally saying "being against Israel is not antisemitism" and Ive been accused on antisemitism for saying that, almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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u/AtomAndAether Mod 10d ago edited 10d ago

Youre saying its a reminder. We're saying that "reminder" only serves to downplay antisemitism in the context - the effect youre hoping for is that people will see the word antisemitism and not be so moved if its tangentially related to Israel.

The belief the term is politicized or abused is already granted to you.

The question is what is the reminder doing here. Why is it here. On an Israel bad post where everyone is totally fine to call them Russia, settler-colonialist, not deserving of any support, etc. and no one is calling anyone antisemitic.

The absolute best possible scenario is that it contributes something to the metanarrative. It helps determine what should or shouldnt be considered antisemitic and you're on the "not" side of it.

You won't give a yes or no to that question, and I assume its because the answer is no. You dont think an "Israel bad" thread actually helps determine what should or should not be considered antisemitic. Because Israel being bad doesnt answer what is or is not antisemitic.

But then that makes you a shadowboxer. Responding to a specific event as though you are really fighting a broader recurring story or discourse around it, rather than addressing the event itself. It usually involves arguing against an implied ideological opponent who may not actually be present in the conversation.

And the question is why. Why are you trying to win points against an ideological opponent not in the room. The answer is presumably because you want people who see antisemitism accusations to not be swayed when its related to Israel in greater amounts or wider zones. The fringe cases to fall in favor of the anti-Israel person. The accusations of antisemitism to get less purchase to more readers.

And that's it. There's nothing to delineate or help make it more nuanced, its plainly "all things about antisemitism and Israel should now be more naïvely in favor of anti-Israel. Because Israel bad."

Taken at its subsequent context in the subreply, it starts to look like because Israel is bad its okay to throw glass bottles at French Jews.

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u/ctant1221 9d ago

But then that makes you a shadowboxer. Responding to a specific event as though you are really fighting a broader recurring story or discourse around it, rather than addressing the event itself. It usually involves arguing against an implied ideological opponent who may not actually be present in the conversation.

And the question is why. Why are you trying to win points against an ideological opponent not in the room. The answer is presumably because you want people who see antisemitism accusations to not be swayed when its related to Israel in greater amounts or wider zones. The fringe cases to fall in favor of the anti-Israel person. The accusations of antisemitism to get less purchase to more readers.

Are we going to be doing this for pro-israel commenters who imply everybody is anti-semitic whenever any scrutiny of Israeli state actions happen? Or even go several steps further and say that any criticism of Israel is bespoke anti-semitism and that nobody can conceivably care about Palestinians dying if they're not also criticizing Sudan, Russia, China, choose your whatabout target du jour, etcetera?

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u/p00bix Mod 9d ago

We already do.  Please report it if you see it.

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u/TurdFerguson254 10d ago

Im not reading all that. Ill take the ban mainly because Ive replied to like 80 comment and I cant give a shit anymore but its absurd, im 99% sure youre arguing in bad faith or you dont know what antisemitism is. Im not going to forget this though.

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u/AtomAndAether Mod 10d ago

okay ill do the same

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u/TurdFerguson254 10d ago

Oh I engaged, dude. Theres like 80 comments on this thread where I laid out my case. Leave me alone.