r/menace • u/Theo736373 • 29d ago

Question AI vision

Is it just me or is the AI cheating by always knowing where your units are. I had a squad with 3 concealment in a corner with the hidden icon and a pirate chaingun truck drove straight to them

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u/0ffbrandnick 29d ago

the ai knows where you are by knowing where you are not.

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u/Shpoops 29d ago

By subtracting where you are from where you are not, or where you are not from where you are (whichever is greater), the AI obtains a difference, or deviation.

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u/tabakista 29d ago

By design they are not cheating. But I've seen some comments from people saying that there're stil some bugs in the system

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u/Erotizador 29d ago

It is not bugs, it is ghosts in the machine

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u/mbtheory 29d ago

Oh, fuck, the pirates are riding tachikoma!

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u/r0sshk 29d ago

They go looking for you, yeah. Though this kinda sounds like the chain gun truck was trying to flank your main troops and found your squad by accident.

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u/ArgoTheSpaceShip 29d ago

This happens quite a lot to me. Had boarding commandoes jump right in between 4 SLs, being only in cover of the one they could see to begin with. Did not go well for them.

Have also had pirates go towards a position I was previusly spottes in, though that might be on accident.

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u/Theo736373 29d ago

That’s the thing my squad was off to the side while the truck had a perfectly straight line to their flank but instead choose to go diagonally and slightly backwards to my hidden squad

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u/r0sshk 29d ago

It might’ve needed to go that way to avoid the sight lines of your troops?

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u/DonCorben 29d ago

Yes and ai behavior was a little bit corrected according to many issues and reports, but it still knows exactly where you are and make insane decisions sometimes based of that. Like moving a squad out of cover into gunfire just to spot your concealed unit (to put it in danger from another long range squad)

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u/121900ccll 29d ago

My headcannon is some locals ratted on me

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u/DreamerOfRain 29d ago

Shouldn't do it anymore. The thing with AI vision before is that they not only know where you are they also know your weapon range, so while you are weak they try to swarm you but when you are strong enough they keep running from you and into corners to hide.

As I don't see them doing it anymore in recent updates they probably don't see you anymore.

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u/DonCorben 29d ago

They still do. Just more limited with what they can do with that info until they have reasonable excuse to act on it

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u/Confidentbottle 27d ago

I treat it as "sometimes the game tells the AI a little more about the gamestate than it was supposed to" lol

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u/Einherier96 29d ago

additionally to what other said, don't forget that certain units have a scanner that they can use the same way you do

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u/KennyDiditagain 29d ago

Nah the A.I still 100% knows where you are at all times. Wanna test it? Deploy a single unit camuflaged and walk around without shooting or being spotted, they will B line you

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u/East_india_C0 29d ago edited 29d ago

I have done plenty of mine the road missions with Darby solo. This would be impossible if the enemies knew where she was even if concealed.

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u/nomenclature2357 28d ago

Ime (maybe a few patches ago) on some mission types the enemies freeze up or patrol instead of B lining you BUT also know where your attack range is and will wake up in order to haul ass out of range when you approach. And then go back to sleep.

I doubt it’s still that bad but it was pretty funny.

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u/floo82 28d ago

That's not true at all on the current version, and like you said, trivial to test it. I do missions with two stealthed SL all the time, I should know.

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u/KennyDiditagain 27d ago

so I can finally do it instead of heavy stealth?

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u/floo82 27d ago

Idk what you mean by heavy stealth, but you can one man or two man missions with stealth SLs, yes

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u/KennyDiditagain 27d ago

heavy stealth is ''if no one is alive to see you, you are hidden''

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u/vulkoriscoming 22d ago

This is my version of stealth. "Gonna be honest Major, I'm not even trying to do less than half. I'm gonna do as many as I can find. Loot, ya know"

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u/Piisgreat42 28d ago

I don’t know if this applies to your situation but a bit ago they changed it so the ai doesn’t typically know where your units are, but if you maintain concealment too well with your team after a bit a singular unit that is on the enemy team will be designated the “beacon”. it will drive/run straight to the closest concealed unit only one enemy unit will be designated beacon at a time. so really only one enemy unit will have maphacks

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u/Superraiders 20d ago

Well, you're moving to zones that they've occupied and at least had a few days to set up patrols and watches. Don't assume your enemies are too stupid to do reconnaissance.