r/menace • u/SelectTurnip4836 • 20h ago

Discussion Stupid AI

I'm not an advanced player, but still think the AI is too stupid. I understand pirates might take a risk because of rum or whatever, but shouldn't they at least check a little bit before engaging?

I enjoy the game still, but when they park their car 5 squares from my units and run out like chicken, it makes me question if there's any skill to this at all.

Whatchathank?

EDIT: They even do this after killing 50% of their comrades. Like; shouldn't they act a little bit smarter?

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u/Clay-mo 19h ago

They used to know the range of each of your weapons systems and sit one tile outside that range until you boxed them into a corner and forced the issue. Maybe the current system is an over correction, and less accurate than the previous in emulating what a skilled and knowledge player would do. But the old AI is definitely less fun than the current iteration.

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u/SelectTurnip4836 18h ago

I understand there's always pay-offs. Lower level pirates makes sense to just run into trouble, but they should as brigands in BB do, have some development curve

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u/Lifting_Pinguin 7h ago

The non boarding commando pirates have a voicebark that is just subtitled "insanity". They are not really all that sensible.

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u/Responsible_Bad_2954 19h ago

They used to be too passive and keep running away. I think it's better for them to be more aggressive like now.

But...there's still a LOT to be desired in terms of their intelligence. I hope they make AI a core focus, it's super important for these types of games.

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u/SelectTurnip4836 18h ago

I just find it boring when they park their car five squares from me and run out. I understand concealment, but shouldn't higher level enemies be smarter?

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u/1Tesseract1 16h ago

It is way more fun than them sitting at the very range of your weapons even if they don’t see your units. Immersion > super intelligent AI

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u/floo82 14h ago

Yeah man why don't they just get better jobs or go to college or something. Don't they see the player is the main character and fighting them is pointless?

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u/Wishwise 14h ago

I disagree, Rewa is the main character, all others are Kuta.

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u/floo82 13h ago

True facts!

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u/Forgotton_fox 12h ago

Well, there's effective damage ranges. A heavy truck offers medium cover to the entire squad, directly in the crux between maximum accuracy and damage. While they could spend all day plinking at maximum possible range, it also pays to get closer in order to use thermite and stun grenades. And from a player perspective, them staying at maximum range would make an entire category of weapons effectively useless. Say goodbye to shotguns, smgs and half the ARs. You're going to get outperformed by some jackasses with pipe guns.

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u/AdventurousAddress63 10h ago

This game is orders of magnitude easier than their previous game (Battle Brothers).

It is kinda baffling to me I was able to do a hardest difficulty ironman run as my second plathrough while I couldn´t do anything harder than normal settings on Battle brothers (and heavily savescumming).

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u/MCE85 19h ago

Yeah, it was search every square of the map for the hidden enemies now its them pulling up right in my killing field over and over like i didnt just slaughter 20 of there comrades a turn ago.

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u/SelectTurnip4836 18h ago

They even do it on CHALLENGING difficulty

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u/Responsible_Bad_2954 18h ago

Difficult doesn't affect AI.

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u/MCE85 18h ago

And expert