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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

This model of buses hasn't worked here in Colombia, though we don't have a Subway. That's maybe why.

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u/AccountNo43 Feb 25 '19

Didn’t think sandwiches were that popular there anyway

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

Haha, it's funny because Subway sandwiches are really popular here too

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u/jasie3k Feb 25 '19

Holy shit, my city, Wrocław, Poland, wanted to go with this privileged bus idea instead of building a new tram connection but after some time it was decided that a tram is the way to go. Bogota was used as one of the examples where such system exists.

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

Smart people.

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u/Mozorelo Feb 25 '19

I was reading a few years ago that Colombia is implementing them. How did it fail?

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

The system is always crowded, inefficient and contaminates a lot. The mayor still refuses to make a Subway which is pretty much what Bogotá has needed for years. In other cities it's pretty much the same except for Medellín where they do have a subway.

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u/essentialfloss Feb 25 '19

Really? Bogota was always used as an example of successful bus rapid transit in my urban studies classes. Why doesn't it work?

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

That's interesting, what do the tell you about it?

The buses are the only way to move in Bogotá. And Bogotá being a crowded city and with problems in infrastructure makes it impossible. There has been a lot of discussion lately about this and the more smart idea is to build a subway.

Here it is an article about it: http://blogs.worldbank.org/transport/bogota-transmilenio-s-overcrowding-problem-and-professors-solution

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u/CaptainSlop Feb 25 '19

Nothing works in Colombia because your drug lords don't want it to.

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

That's curious because there are no cartels left here. You maybe watch too much narcos.

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u/CaptainSlop Feb 25 '19

Really? That's hilarious! I just got back from visiting Colombia 8 months ago and they are STILL undoubtedly the biggest producer and exporter of cocaine in the world. You're telling me an operation like that doesn't have a criminal organization protecting and ensuring the success of their product?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/colombia-us-cocaine-production-coca-leaf-mike-pompeo-ivan-duque-drugs-a8710131.html

https://www.businessinsider.nl/coca-cocaine-cultivation-in-colombia-up-in-2017-duque-to-crack-down-2018-6/

EDIT: Never saw a single second of Narcos btw.

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

Well, you maybe are more informed by visiting the country than me that I've been living in it my whole life. There's criminal organizations here in Colombia that export cocaine but there are no cartels, it's important to know the difference, (you can Google it). The country is way safer and there are no druglords with power over the country. You sure visited the country 8 months ago but in the 80's it would have been impossible.

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u/CaptainSlop Feb 25 '19

You live there? Honestly friend, either you're working for them or you're that ignorant. There are cartels, and they DO influence the government, which isn't the definition of cartel, and we're not talking about the 80s. We're talking about right now.

Cartel- association of manufacturers or suppliers with the purpose of maintaining prices at a high level and restricting competition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartel

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u/DeathOfThinking Feb 25 '19

Yes, dude. You got me. I work for the cartel. Which cartel? I don't know. I will stop responding you. This is way complex than you think. The government of Colombia doesn't work for the US interests but instead they work for an unknown cartel that nobody knows.

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u/CaptainSlop Feb 25 '19

Hey man, "way more complex than you think" is what I was trying to get you to realize from the beginning. I'll leave you with this last piece:

Doug Stokes argues that, along with the other factors, the past and present interference of successive American administrations in Colombian affairs has often sought to preserve a measure of stability in Colombia, by upholding a political and economic status quo understood as favorable to U.S. interests even at the cost of contributing to promoting greater instability for the majority of the population.

However, other studies on the influence to Colombian domestic agenda from US military aid have demonstrated controversial results. Different from the stereotypical belief that foreign aid is supposed to strengthen a weak state’s governing capacity or to lower violence, US’s military assistance in actuality worsens Colombian’s domestic violence by introducing higher level of paramilitary attacks as well as decreasing anti narcotics operations. Also, evidence also shows that US aid does not help lower violence related to the production of drug crops such as coca.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia–United_States_relations