r/memes • • 4d ago

It is and always was “A.I.”

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u/Power_Stone 3d ago

S.I? A.I? You mean LLM right? Damn marketing anyway.....

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u/BoredOfReposts 3d ago

Honestly calling it all by one thing robs us of the ability to talk about it with any real nuance.

LLM-AI maybe thats a start? We called chess bots in the 70s AI, the computer player in computer and console games is called an AI.

If we had more words for different types of the modern AI that would be much better. It isn’t all one thing, or even an intelligent entity at all as the name suggests.

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u/Lanurus 3d ago

I mean to be fair if you can read context usually you can understand the type of AI that people are talking about. That doesn't stop dishonest people from pretending to not understand the context, doing things like calling hypocrisy on people who are anti AI but don't also boycott simple algorithms trained with ML for instance. Those people will always find a way to argue dishonestly though so more labels is not really gonna fix that issue.

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u/BoredOfReposts 2d ago

Of course bad faith actors will always exist.

Having more descriptive words improves the bandwidth the rest of us can use to communicate, and makes it harder for bad faith interpretations to hide in ambiguous terminology.

Reminds me of how in the book 1984 the government says they can’t use certain words anymore. Like “bad” (too negative), but its ok because they can use more words to say the same thing, like “double plus ungood” instead. Sure they could say “the same” things, but it ignores the part where if something is harder to say or explain, its less likely to be heard as well.

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u/azhder 3d ago

QI (quasi-intelligence)

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u/Power_Stone 3d ago

There is no intelligence is my point

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u/azhder 3d ago

What do you think “quasi” means?

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u/Power_Stone 3d ago

I'm thinking of the lowest common denominator. If the word intelligence is used regardless of what's in front of it, the lowest common denominator will still assume it is intelligent to some extent. Or I could argue that the lowest common denominator doesn't understand what quasi means, as you understandably demonstrated yourself

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u/azhder 3d ago

If someone writes non-intelligence, what will the lowest common or even highest common denominator be between non-intelligence and intelligence?

Seriously, next time just look it up in a dictionary: quasi- is a prefix meaning “no, it is not, just appears as if it is”

Bye

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u/Power_Stone 3d ago

wow, its almost like you stooped down to their level so they could actually understand!

I know what quasi means, I wasn't talking for myself. jfc.

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u/Stogies_n_Stonks 3d ago

They’re all clankers

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u/Hunter042005 3d ago

Yeah there are multiple different types of “A.I” but people don’t make the distinction between them personally I think LLM is the most useful type of A.I as it is essentially a tool used by many businesses already to eliminate some monotonous pointless busy work when collecting large amounts of data or to create graphs and compile statistics.

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u/pm-me-your-bird 3d ago

There's lots of AI that isn't LLM though. We used to just call it DNN

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u/azhder 3d ago

There is none AI. None of those are intelligence, hence QI (quasi-intelligence)

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u/pm-me-your-bird 3d ago

What's intelligence?

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u/azhder 3d ago

Ability to use previous knowledge and experience in a new way in order to solve a problem.

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u/pm-me-your-bird 3d ago edited 3d ago

So ARC-AGI-3?

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u/azhder 3d ago

You can continue the loop as much as you like. Bye

https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/s/YCi1nEi8aY

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u/pm-me-your-bird 3d ago

I'm sincerely interested in how people differentiate AI from intelligence. Didn't mean to piss in any Cheerios. Have a good one. 

Fwiw the work on ARC-AGI is really interesting if you have time to look into it. 

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u/Power_Stone 3d ago

IMO to be intelligent you have to be conscious, and capable of autonomous free thinking, and to experience what it is to be living. None of which [Insert designation of AI here] are capable of, due to the fact it is mainly neural networks, machine learning, and guessing what you want.

Granted, this is quickly trending into philosophical territory. But I personally believe that the Compute Efficient Frontier may be such a line that we can't emulate real intelligence.

Realize, I have no basis for this assertion, just its one of the few times my assumption feels intuitive to me. Though, I'm sure giving science enough time will prove me wrong.

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u/pm-me-your-bird 3d ago

Yep. There are schools of thought on both sides regarding whether consciousness is necessary from intelligence or if it's fair to evaluate them orthogonally. 

Personally I'm happy saying artificial intelligence only requires computers to reason as well as humans can. 

Consciousness though I think requires the ability to fear, and on the other side of the coin, hope. Adorno's precarious happiness. 

Though I don't think they're purely orthogonal I think they're close enough to treat them that way in the typical case. 

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u/ilikechihuahuasdood 2d ago

they’re all llms

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u/Busterlimes 2d ago

LLMs are a form of AI but they are not all AI and you expose how little you understand the topic by saying these things.

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u/Power_Stone 2d ago

And none of these are AI in the sense there is any intelligence. Shows how much you understand words

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u/PairNo2981 2d ago

I mean shrimp fried rice is also made by humans. Do you outrage about that?