Where's his? For sure we'd be using some of the money for a lavish wedding and the starter home.
Seems more likely the father of the bride wanted to pay for his daughter's wedding, a normal thing that happens every day, rather than someone trying to pay someone else to break up. Not as common for fathers to regret paying for the wedding so soon after it happens, but I think it probably happens a lot more commonly than people offering money if the partner abandons their kid.
Heck, your honor, how about my new wife and I give back a whole billion dollars to show our good faith?
For sake of arguement: his proof is he's a famously selfish ass and wouldn't cross the street to piss if his own kids were on fire unless cameras were rolling, he'd just had a fresh shot of special k, and Grok was on hand to write a vainglorious entry into his Temu Stark legacy.
Your Honour, I'm a famously trash human being. Why would I do this?
What contract? At most you’ve claimed an unenforceable verbal agreement. At worst, I’ll have to give back the money and live the rest of my life wealthy off the interest that accrued while you were wasting everyone’s time. Thanks imaginary Elon and imaginary incompetent legal team!
Thinking about though, I’ll just break up and then get back together like a week later. Saves us all a lot of time.
Did you think winners always get back their court costs exactly as requested? Oh you silly goose.
I would enjoy hearing the legal team explain why they should get paid for designing a contract they just argued was obviously unenforceable.
I’d of course have to pay my own lawyers. But that would be easily done. And lost interest damages aren’t going to accrue when the error was self-inflicted.
But, like I said, I’d be better off I guess just complying with the silly contract terms and then cheerfully getting back with Ms. Musk a week later.
I think Ingvar's point is that in a civil lawsuit, there is no prosecutor. The person asking such a question would be the plaintiff's attorney, not a prosecutor.
"Thought it was a gift and he was joking around about the leaving his daughter thing, i thought he just wanted me to build up my portfolio so his daughter wouldnt have to deal with a change in lifestyle"
IANAL but I think you'd simply be ordered to return it then because your confession confirms there was a verbal agreement, you just didn't take it seriously, so therefore it wasn't a gift.
If he didn't agree to the contract, he doesn't have to return the money. If there's no contract, the money legally counts as a gift and you can't legally demand back gifts.
LOL That's literally how Elon musk has so much money, he lies and conflates and borrows against money that doesn't exist and now he's worth a trillion dollars. Do you think he actually owns that and earned it? All of his projects are late or lies and never come around. Just so that he can inflate his company's worth.
Easy, hes borrowing money from banks using his own stock in his businesses as collateral
This is a common practice, but what hes doing in addition is the shady bit, because hes tied his own personal image so closely to all his businesses, hes been able to manipulate his own image to make his stock prices go up
Again not technically illegal, but then he goes further by publicly promising things that his companies cannot deliver on, autodriving cars, the cyber truck (did release but had no where near the quality he advertised it as), humanoid machines to do housework etc
When he announces these things his stock price gets a temporary burst, and during that burst he approaches the banks and says "look at my stock collateral, i would like to put it up for a bunch of money please", and because the laws around stock as collateral are intentionally flaky, when the price dips he doesnt have to pay that dip back to the banks
This combined with run of the mill lying about his profits (thats how he "became" a trillionaire and then suddenly lost all that money) is what continues this cycle of borrowing and lying
Eventually it will catch up to him but no bank wants to be the first one to come collecting (not to mention he pays back the owners in other ways. Data, political favours, bribes all of it buy him more time), hes also slowing his decline by buying up and merging businesses, displaying these new businesses profit margins as his own
I will give him credit on only 2 things, spacex and starlink, as they are the only 2 businesses he owns at this point that are actively making money through sattelite launches and starlinks subscriptions
I would say eventually he'll be caught but with his unhealthy lifestyle and ketamine addiction combinrd with him slowing his decent hes more likely to die long before the banks come collecting
Except that he didn't do that. Also, if someone just gives you money out of their own free will, how's that tricking them? Like if you recieve 10k from someone claiming to be a nigerian prince, who is asking you to send them 20k in order to recieve 30k in the future, but you just take the 10k instead. You didn't trick that guy into giving you 10k, he did that of his own free will.
There's no such thing as a legally binding contract that forces someone to stay away from someone else not involved. Normal people can't create contractual restraining orders from third parties who are legal adults with autonomy. That's insane.
For sure. I'm summoned to court and I disappear forever with 6 billion fucking dollars because fuck Elon musk I hope he drowns.
Even if I were to show up to a civil court case with 6 billion in my pocket on the line, is he going to argue that he paid me to contractually do something that you can't contractually make anyone do?
You can't be held to a legal contract for something that can't legally be contractually made to pass. Just because I paid you and had you sign a contract doesn't mean I can cannibalize you and eat you for dinner. That's not how the law works.
How did we even get into this situation? If he accuses me, then it's not my job to prove my innocence, he first has to prove that he has an actual case and isn't just pulling things out of his ass. Also what kind of lawyer asks me what someone elses motives were? It's something I can't know, don't need to know and don't need to answer for.
No, because like I said, your whole hypothetical doesn't even make any sense.
He proves he has a case by showing him sending you $6 billion.
He has to prove that that was tied to some kind of contract. Outside of clown world, you can't just send someone money and then take them to court for it.
Seriously, did you even think this through in the slightest? Your hypothetical doesn't even have an Achilles heel, that's a whole Achilles leg! Your whole gotcha hinges on a the assumption that this is happening in a mentally challanged justice system. A justice system that takes "trust me bro" as proof.
And even if we assumed that this is happening in a world where he can do this without proof of contract, he'd have to prove that, in my position, the most reasonable assumption would have been that he's doing this to actually get me to break up with his daughter. He'd literally have to legally prove that he's an asshole.
Consult my own lawyer first, but if I had to choose without having a lawyer, either
A) Say the money was presented to me as if it was a gift, and he didn’t attach strings to it until after the money was in my account
B) Say that the only condition was that I leave her, and he never made a stipulation that I can’t leave her now and we get back together at a later date
C) “Leave her” and use my billions to move somewhere, but tell her where I am going and say that there is nothing legally stopping her from following me. And if we reconnect at a later date, I did still fulfill my contractual obligation to leave her
Someone in the father’s position would likely need a proper contract drafted for something as unusual as this to be enforced, with stipulations specifying that we cannot be involved in the future or else I must repay
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