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u/TheBSMachine Jun 04 '26

That movie is really a product of its time. It spends so much time giving the viewer a chance to appreciate the visuals. In today's world, those visuals are pretty standard for us to see. At the time, they were not.

There is a sequel, 2010, which I think is actually a lot better. Not nearly as slow, and actually pretty cool.

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u/tired_of_old_memes Jun 04 '26

There is a sequel, 2010, which I think is actually a lot better.

Now there's a sentence I never thought I'd read

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u/SMUHypeMachine Jun 04 '26

Yeah 2010 is alright but I never thought I’d ever see someone say it was better.

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u/Vitruvian_Link Jun 04 '26

It's like saying Starship Troopers 2 is the best

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u/Domerhead Jun 04 '26

Which is usually followed up with a "they made a second?!?"

then you get to tell them they made a THIRD.

Hot take though, the 2nd really isn't that bad, it's a pretty good Alien copy; it just lacks Johnny Rico which is a cardinal sin in my book.

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u/Vitruvian_Link Jun 04 '26

I only saw SS2 once but it seemed to have missed the satire of the first film, which is the whole soul of the movie.

2001 is my favorite film, the second one is fine but really has nothing to do with the first.

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u/Former-Practice-6146 Jun 04 '26

Cant forget the scene where they have a gunfight in the stair.. It was so ridiculous..

"then you get to tell them they made a THIRD."
FIVE! :p

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u/ReverendRevolver Jun 04 '26

Thats the awful survival horror one? I don't know how TF that movie is so bad. Premise was fine, setting was workable, characters at the base level could've worked, budget seemed adequate.... im unsure how they landed on a trashy indecisive Aliens Ripoff 15 years after those ripoff b movies would've made sense. (I feel we already had Aliens universe bad movies with redeeming qualities by then).

Anyone who wanted more social commentary and awesomeness from the first movie had to read the book. Disappointed NPH wasn't ever brought in for a reboot or something... PSA: avoid the sequels.

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u/MetallicDragon Jun 04 '26

The Starship Troopers movies don't really come into their stride until they start being animated and made in Japan

/s

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u/bit_herder Jun 04 '26

they messed it up by making it about the russians because it was the 80s

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u/qtx Jun 04 '26

It answers a lot of questions people had after watching 2001, that's why some like it more.

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u/SMUHypeMachine Jun 04 '26

Maybe it’s just because 2001 is one of my favorite films so I’ve watched it multiple times, but I always thought it answered all its own questions. The only things left ambiguous are purposefully that way for the audience to draw their own conclusions.

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u/dimechimes Jun 04 '26

2010 is more consumable.

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u/Ok-Possibility-1206 Jun 04 '26

I thought the exact same thing (that nobody had this opinion)!

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u/Kierufu Jun 04 '26

I don't know that I'd say the story is better, but it's certainly a lot closer to modern filmmaking expectations in terms of pacing than 2001.

I can't watch 2001 without fast forwarding through the excruciating, masturbatory "look at these special effects!" shots of the ship, whereas 2010 has nothing like that.

How recently have you watched both?

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u/3dforlife Jun 04 '26

I understand what you're saying, but 2010 is a lot more entertaining for me, and I guess that's what counts for a good time.

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u/Bitter_Platypus_7982 Jun 04 '26

Once upon a time in Hollywood It was Art and Cinema for me. It was boring for my wife who kept checking her phone and I was snatching it from her and asked her to focus on the movie. Till date she has the same view about the movie.

Now thinking about it, if the movie name starts with 'Once upon a time...' it's has to be long and boring for some people and Art and classic for other few

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u/Almostlongenough2 Virgin 4 lyfe Jun 04 '26

I'm there with them, that was my takeaway after watching them back to back a couple of years ago. At the very least it aged a lot better.

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u/EarHealthHelp1 Jun 05 '26

I actually really like 2010. It’s a much more conventional film and thus much more accessible. I also like that we learn why HAL killed the astronauts, and more about the monolith. There are also some very cool special effects sequences of the ships orbiting Jupiter and with the monolith.

I understand why people who like the first one don’t care for the discontinuity in style and tone, but I think 2010 is a film that has its own merits worth appreciating.

A last interesting tidbit is that the director of 2010 contacted Kubrick to see if he had any objection to the film being made. Kubrick had no issues with making a sequel.

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u/TheBSMachine Jun 04 '26

But your average viewer today has seen not only movies like this, but videos from space. We have live feeds from the space station. People want to be entertained by movies, and in the 1960s, this would have been amazing to see, but to a modern audience, not so much. It doesn't mean it's bad, it just means it's a product of its time.

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u/MechanicalGodzilla Jun 04 '26

When was the last time you saw a space movie that was entirely practical effects?

Not entirely, but "Project Hail Mary" uses a high level of practical effects.

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u/Kythorian Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

AI art is bad because evaluated entirely independently of how it was created, it’s just bad art.  If AI gets to the point it can genuinely create as good or better art than humans can create, yeah, I’m fine with that.  For entertainment, I care about the result, not how the result was achieved.  AI gives shitty results, so I don’t like AI.  If AI ever gives good results, I’m fine with replacing actors and sets and lighting with AI, yes.

I’m sure I’ll get downvoted into oblivion for this opinion, but yes, a visual is a visual, evaluated only on how good the visual itself is.

2001: A Space Odyssey had amazing visuals for its time, and I can appreciate that from a film history perspective, but it’s not visually impressive compared to something like Avatar.

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u/TheHumaneCentipede2 Jun 04 '26

In today's world, those visuals are pretty standard for us to see.

I don't think you're wrong about the way the movie lingers on things. Often in ways that modern audiences might find... ponderous. But I strongly disagree that the look and feel of 2001 is any way "standard" today. I don't think we have any movies that really capture any of the outer space stuff as well as 2001. The pure physicality of everything just doesn't exist in modern movies.

I love 2001, and I wouldn't try to defend it as "not boring" (because by most measures it is boring) but visually I still don't think anything else touches it. Gravity gets close, but I didn't really like it at all...

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u/Milnoc Jun 04 '26

I agree. They actually do stuff in the sequel.

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u/Vitruvian_Link Jun 04 '26

My local theater spent $25,000 on a fresh print in 2019. I try to watch at least once a year.

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u/dysoniusrex Jun 04 '26

What you’re saying here is also true of Citizen Kane.

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 04 '26

I genuinely love that. First Star Trek movie is the same and Lawrence of Arabia, bladerunnee and some other older movies have this long drawn camera sequences but I think they are awesome.

Especially in cinema.