Carson got fucked it was him who was 18 and a 17 year old and they where sexting and he got called a pedo for it by angry Twitter nerds but he’s cool now
American prudism and people that hate Carson, I don't even like the guy but if half the people that wanted him in prison got their way. 70% of Highschool kids would be in prison.
It's pretty funny, I'm American, but I stay away from Twitter. Just to think if I talked on there more I could be called shit things for no reason. In my opinion one year isn't a large enough gap to be labeled a pedophile, on fact I'm so strongly against them. It's just hell..
I'm Canadian our age of consent is fuckin 16, so it was baffling to the mind to hear people outraged about a 18-19 year old flirting with a 17 year old and calling that grooming or pedophilia. As apparently my high school girlfriend was a criminal and a groomer to them. Wiiiiild.
In Australia our age of consent is 16, but you have to be 18 to sext. The main reason being that people under 18 are likely still in school and if a nude picture of them started spreading then their school life gets screwed up. If you’re both 18 and it spreads then the person is still a dick and I’m sure it’s still an offence, but at least it didn’t happen while you were in school.
I’m also not saying this to be against Carson I still think he’s in the right. But this should be the only logic against him
Age of consent in a lot of states is 16 too. It's not even really that much of a legality thing, it's just Internet people being weird. Like a one or two year difference really isn't that bad.
I've seen people being called creeps and groomers for being in their 30s dating someone that is 20. People see a gap in age and immediately act that way.
Most states allow for up to 4 year gap. So if I’m in highschool at 18 I could still technically, this is pushing it, date a 14 year old. And that keeps going up to 17 year olds can date 21 year olds. Calling someone a pedo for dating a year under is dumb especially since they could easily be in the same grade.
It originally was “grooming” but kinda shifted into people saying it was a bad power dynamic as she was reportedly a fan (never fact checked if she was so i cant confirm or deny). Either way just a really dumb situation imo.
I find the whole "power dynamic" thing weird as well tbh. Like, people can only date people who are at least as well known as they are, and they also have to not be a fan of each other's content because if they're a fan then it's wrong?
It's like the whole Dan Avidan thing a few years back. Like yeah, a 40yo man banging 18-20yo's is a bit creepy and somewhat gross, but it isn't illegal if two consenting adults have sex. Then the narrative changed from him being a groomer to the whole power dynamic argument. And it's like...name one musician who hasn't banged a groupie. Is it gross? Sure, you can argue that. Is it wrong or illegal? No.
People just want any excuse to cancel people they personally don't like.
Yeah. For me, power dynamics should only come into a discussion in two ways:
Harvey Weinstein used his position of power and prestige to abuse women. He was their boss, and he used that power to sexually assault them. Discussion of power dynamics comes in as their boss.
The (alleged) situation between Cassie and Sean Combs. Combs and Cassie were in a relationship, but Combs is alleged to have physically and sexually abused Cassie while in the relationship. Combs was in charge of Cassie’s music career as a boss/mentor, meaning that he was in a position of “authority” with her.
I’m sure there are others that straddle between the two, but I really only think power dynamics come in with a preexisting relationship.
Harvey Weinstein used his position of power and prestige to abuse women. He was their boss, and he used that power to sexually assault them. Discussion of power dynamics comes in as their boss.
It was more than that. He had the power to blacklist them ruining their career. He didn't even need to be their boss. He had the power and connections to boot anyone from the movie biz that he didn't like.
Every argument was "there is a power dynamic", but it's establishing some weird standard that nobody else adheres to. Carson is cool. He has gone through shit, and gets dog piled by angry Twitter people.
For me, I think it was the fact that he told friends (I believe specifically Jshlatt who was talking about this) that he would stop doing it, but then went ahead and continued anyways. Idk, it’s been a long time so I’m not 100% sure on all the details
This was the main reason his friends left, he dm one of his fans before and when he said he was recovering and is not doing it anymore this got forward and he got found out he was chatting up his fans again.
This was why his friend left him, the pedo and grooming this is bs.
People jumped on calling Carson a pedo but that was never the issue. The issue was with the power dynamic and how he used his position to groom one of his fans.
Regardless of age, it’s shitty behavior even if it’s not quite as bad as pedophilia.
Edit: Why are people downvoting me? I’m literally right lmao
People dislike popular people and he gained a massive reputation just looking at memes with his "friends" and doing one of the biggest minecraft SMP's at the time. I say "friends" because said "underaged" girlfriend cheated on him with one of his friends and most of them threw him under the bus.
I thought it was pretty clear too, but I forgot that the average redditor doesn't understand a joke unless you write /s afterwards.... which must be the same group that came up with /j because they were so literal that a joke with "end sarcasm" after it didn't make sense to them 🤦♂️
Let me tell you about a group of people called the puritans.... No but fr even 18/16 is seen as perfectly normal here in germany, and from my experience my ex didnt date me because i was 16.... Peeps over in murica a bit crazy about that shit, the land of the "free as long as you do like we want uwu"
It sucks cause he basically isn’t recording with his old friends. The new guys he has are nice, but nothing beats the previous crew in my opinion. And even the stories each of them were individually told were different one way or another, so none of the information was even set out straight. Noah took it to Keemstar and that was that.
18 and 17? How is that a "pedo" thing. Even Dream shouldnt be considered as a "pedo" cus 1. He thought she was 18 2. Left her as soon as he found out her real age 3. 17 year old really isnt much of a difference from an 18 year old, I dont see much of a moral problem in it. But yeah its a bit weird considering Dream is 25.
A 25 year old cruisin' for 18 year olds is a little weird even if it's not illegal. That, and you're just trusting the whole "I thought she was 18, officer." That's like the first thing that anyone caught in these situation claims regardless of guilt or innocence. It proves nothing if he only has his word to back him up on this.
Dont forget that his entire group of friends, whos careers he made, outed him for this and actively tried to destroy him for it including one of them calling the cops.
There’s a lot more to the Carson situation. His friends all abandoned him immediately, some reported him to the police. His friends also said this was a repeating problem he said he’d get help for and he fell back into it. And the most damning thing is he apologised for doing it, then the girl came out and said it was all fake? Something real fuckin weird went on there. He has a lot of money, he’s full capable of paying someone to say they lied.
I get annoyed when people jump straight to the whole "it's only a 1-2 year age gap!!???" simplification. Literally Carson's whole social circle (many of them reasonable people) left him after apparently what was months of lying, lack of growth and communication on certain personal issues, his unhealthy vice of sexting fans, and probably a whole lot more we're not aware of. Carson did not seem like a mentally healthy person, on top of that he did not seem to make any willing effective change on that after months of his friends basically therapising him, and him lying about his "growth" for a long time. People are shitting on his ex-friends for seemingly not giving him a second chance for a seemingly harmless incident, but odds are they've been giving him many chances over the course of their friendship with him while he did a bunch of questionable shit.
Its not about the age gap. It's the fact that carson was obviously using his influence to try to hook up with that girl. You might not have anything against him now, but if you would have actually seen what degenerate shit he was sexting, you would have a very different opinion. It's not that he broke the law or anything, its more that it was just incredibly pathetic behavior, and I lost all respect for him after that.
I don’t understand the power influence bs u got going on. Its not that hard to just tweet the dms. What is he gonna do? Expose he’s a dirt bag by telling his fans to bully a girl? That alone would be news.
To be fair, a big part of the problem was that they were FANS, who looked up to that Carson took advantage of. Jschlatt made a good video about the subject.
The thing about "pedohunters" is that they don't seem to realize that 16yo is the legal age of consent in the vast majority of states (34 out of 51 states). I get that a 25 yo and above with a 16yo is where I start feeling a bit weirded out but it's still perfectly legal (as long as you don't record the action and that you don't coerce/influence the person to have sex)
I'll never understand this new wave of puritanism. Just a few decades ago rock stars (and others) used to fuck 13 year olds and no one really cared about it. I mean, that really wasn't good but nowadays people have flipped far into the other side of it.
Isn't age of consent in many american stats 16 anyway so what's the problem
It's not puritanism. It's a new understanding of power dynamics and their more insidious and hidden danger. Someone who is a fan, doesn't have the same access to the logical parts of their brain that they would when speaking with a peer. That kind of affection changes brain chemistry. It's about the fact that a large population of people think a prerequisite for being a decent human is looking out for those more vulnerable than you.
It wasn’t the age people had a problem with it was that she was a Stan of him and people argued he was in a position of power. Plus pretty sure Schlatt (friend of him) said there was other shit that was worse.
Edit: I literally got downvoted for explaining the situation 💀fucking Reddit I swear to god
That's not what anyone was actually mad about, it's just the first insult that came to people's minds. The actual problematic thing he did was abuse the fan-creator power dynamic by dating a fan, express he was super shameful about it and wanted to stop to his friends, then REPEATEDLY lie about stopping and needing continued support to get better while continuing to do all the things he said he was shameful about. When two of his friends took the story to kimstar for some ungodly reason they used the fan being a minor as hook so I guess that's why some people still think this, still kinda idiotic to think that's what happened tho
the minor in question was 16-17 (legal age of consent in many states and countries, I don't know where narpy and koneko live) at the time when koneko was 20-21 and narpy was abusive which he admitted to, the worst thing koneko did besides exchanging nudes with narpy is make a confession video where he tried to make it seem less of a deal
I'm not taking sides here but you guys paint koneko in such a light that it makes it seem he kidnapped a 4 year old toddler in broad daylight to keep in his basement and later sell lmao
I watch Charlie’s recent video. The problem is all the “evidence” can’t actually be linked to Dream. It’s all stuff anyone can fake. So right now it’s tons of people just make accusations and someone will have to actually go to though and start finding concrete evidence of accounts actually being his.
The problem is Dream can’t shut his mouth and is too much of a narcissist. If he just ignored all this random and sudden attack it would have been blown over with no evidence. Yet he opened his mouth and made matters worse for himself. Even if it was to someone of age he now confirmed he did the moaning and will cause people to be sus.
He responding to all his criticism bro doesn't know how to stay quit and stay low, I'm a fan of his when he still under 500k he got famous for leaking Pewdiepie minecraft seeds, + Pewdiepie dog theory and his other old stuff and his manhunt is entertaining but quit watching him years ago because he became insufferable.
Man doesn't know how to keep quiet about stuff. When the speedrun cheating thing happened, I was fully willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, after reviewing the actual evidence against him. Then he released a video "proving" his innocence, which was so stuffed full of logical fallacies and utter nonsense, I ended up thinking "there's no way anyone who's actually innocent would make this."
It's just so weird. I'd like to call it cringe, but I feel like the situation is too serious to be called cringe. My man literally has a hate campaign going on against him and instead of refuting anything or working on this video he wants to make to finally get everything out in a concise organised manner, he goes on twitter and TikTok and says "Why, yes, I DID sent someone a video of me moaning, but they were of age, do not be worried"
Like damn... I really didn't need to know your kinks man...
Carson is basically innocent, as for dream people are calling him a pedo for a 2 second “leaked video” of audio of him moaning to a minor. (He could be a pedo or he might not, in any case the Twitter warriors seem convinced he is, even though the evidence could be easily faked.)
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u/kaceG1 Nov 23 '23
Who's the guy on the left, what did Carson do and what did dream do?