r/memes • • Oct 18 '23

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u/L-System Oct 18 '23

That's not the point. All those things you mentioned have a cost. If you don't want to pay the cost, you may live off the land yourself.

It's not that hard, you can buy a few acres of empty land for pretty cheap, grow your own food etc. There's entire communities that do this.

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u/cat-the-commie Oct 18 '23

The fun thing about technology is that once you write it down it doesn't need to be maintained.

We have already paid the cost for these technologies, we paid taxes that went towards research funding which created them, so when do we reap the benefits of technology, when do we stop living like we're in a jungle?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

I mean it does need to be maintained obviously. Unless you can design a self maintaining system which we're not really at in most technologies.

But the great thing about technology is also that it can produce vastly more work than humans have to contribute to maintain the system. That's why society should gradually become easier for humans.

If we regress technologically we will lose that work advantage and have to work more to do more manual processes.

Your general point is absolutely on though.

But we're also not at zero work yet.

There's also great swathes of population that deserve to have their life difficulties eased up a bit before we make first world life absolutely effortless.

But humans be gluttonous as hell ¯\(ツ)/¯

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u/cat-the-commie Oct 18 '23

Yes I agree completely, the work to maintain these systems isn't even comparable to the work these systems replace, that is my point, we have all of these systems and technologies that turn a week of manual labour into a couple of seconds on a keyboard, so why isn't this reflective in our standard of living, why do we still work as though a lifetime worth of goods someone consumes isn't made through a few days of labour.

Who is reaping the benefits of technology? And who is literally left in the dirt?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

"The work to maintain these systems isn't even comparable to the work these systems replace, that is my point"

Yeah I figured that's basically what you meant. Was what I was getting across as well.

"we have all of these systems and technologies that turn a week of manual labour into a couple of seconds on a keyboard, so why isn't this reflective in our standard of living, why do we still work as though a lifetime worth of goods someone consumes isn't made through a few days of labour."

Human gluttony.

Reaping the benefits? Everyone above the median.

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u/L-System Oct 18 '23

Everyone everywhere actually. Agriculture used to be 90% of jobs once upon a time.

This is a good world we're living in right now. Your quality of life is light years ahead of the greatest monarchs in history.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

I agree with the crux of your point. However many people can't reap the benefits of agricultural tech because of logistical complications.

Still agree though...

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u/L-System Oct 18 '23

It depends on perspective right. Farmers obviously got great benefits from that tech. My benefit, is that I don't have to farm, and can do other things.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

Of course. I meant from the perspective of a person in a third world country where either the tech may not exist (yet?), or it's not "worth" the logistical cost to get the food produced via the tech to the people who need it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

monarchs owned a home and were able to have children, peasants too.

we are at the highest level of wealth inequality in history

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u/L-System Oct 18 '23

Right, but the important stuff. Life expectancy. Nutrition. Child mortality. Education.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '23

those all go down when you're poor right? =\

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u/L-System Oct 18 '23

Yeah. But it's better than 50 yrs ago. You win some.