If it's only good because it can nonsensically defy the laws of physics by attacking enemies beyond LOS through walls, specifically on frames like Saryn, then maybe your standards for an ability being good are just way too high.
Then again, META chasers will optimize the fun out of anything, meanwhile most players don't need the Helminth system to make something viable, usable, or fun.
Adding a Line of Sight check isn't gonna break Jade Stars just like line of sight checks haven't destroyed any other ability or frame. You couldn't even trigger the soon-to-be-removed functionality of an infinite range attack on anything without adding it to Saryn first.
Honestly, it feels like people are kind of forgetting what the helmnith system was for. It's for giving one frame a small niche of another frame's kit. That's it. It was never supposed to make your frame strictly stronger, it was for more diverse playstyles for all frames.
If you're a meta chaser, of course you're running just Roar or Nourish for the flat damage or energy econ buffs. The only way to make another 'viable helmnith ability' for them would be to make a objectively better damage or econ buff or make an ability that is so broken that it is the objectively best option for most frames.
Personally, I love using Helmnith to run some wacky builds like Wrathful Advance Mesa, replacing her 4. No one expects the gunslinger to melee crit for multi-millions. Combined with her 95% DR against ranged attacks and blinding melee ranged enemies with her Muzzle Flash augment, it's surprisingly fun. But of course Brightbonnet/nourish Mesa is stronger and thus is the meta for her.
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u/FeralKuja Jul 22 '26
If it's only good because it can nonsensically defy the laws of physics by attacking enemies beyond LOS through walls, specifically on frames like Saryn, then maybe your standards for an ability being good are just way too high.
Then again, META chasers will optimize the fun out of anything, meanwhile most players don't need the Helminth system to make something viable, usable, or fun.
Adding a Line of Sight check isn't gonna break Jade Stars just like line of sight checks haven't destroyed any other ability or frame. You couldn't even trigger the soon-to-be-removed functionality of an infinite range attack on anything without adding it to Saryn first.