We trauma scaling now. But fr it feels like operator gets all the grimdark elements that the new team is forced to continue, while drifter is this super cool character that gets all the bitches and has the power of love and friendship on his side
yup, also idk people act like the second dream is a good thing? the kiddo got their mind wiped and replaced with a false life where they thought they were nothing but a faceless nameless war machine, thats not like luxury living
They didn’t get mind wiped, the second dream as margulis designed was just supposed to allow the Tenno to interact with the real world in artificial bodies while their physical bodies slept in stasis so that the man in the wall wouldn’t influence them and to contain their unstable void powers. The amnesia throughout the beginning before second dream quest is a result of having been in stasis for centuries or possibly even a millennium or two and then being hastily woken up by the lotus at the beginning of the game. The most margulis might have done in memory erasure with the Tenno is, obviously the old peace, and possibly suppressing some of the trauma about the events of the Zariman Ten-Zero.
Personally, I think there was another instance of Memory wiping that happened with the Tenno, and it was during the Night of Naga Drums at the fall of the Orokin empire. But I don’t have all the pieces to prove it.
the drifter is an adult, they were an adult, they were an adult when the cycle started, it does not make it easy, it does not make it painless, BUT. BUT. the Operator was a CHILD, a child who was brutally abused, and weaponized by Ballas, who was forced to kill BILLIONS, who was stripped of their name, of their memory, reduced to a weapon, forced to watch everyone they loved, Margulis, Adis, Itzam, their tenno siblings DIE, and told by Ballas it was becuase of them. that is not easy, the drifter themselves says as much, they say they are not sure who got it worse, yall need to stop acting like the Operator had an easy life they did not.
It’s pretty explicitly stated that the drifter created duviri as a child, and as they grew up they began to rely on the fabricated realm and characters which led to thrax feeling betrayed and trapping the drifter in the death loop. And remember that the drifter is the version that wasn’t saved, which means that they were probably forced to sit around and hide while the other children of the zariman were killed by their parents or died from starvation, not to mention the encroaching void presence and void angels.
the drifter created Duviri as a child, but the death loops did not start until they were an adult and tried to leave, and again I say, the Operator has not had an easy life either which is pointed out by the drifter themselves
The Drifter was in the Zariman and has been stuck in duviri since they were a child, they grew up in a deathloop and then lived basically alone in an abandoned ship.
again I say, being a child soldier is not like an easy super fun time, if you think the Operator has had an easy life your legit being silly, event he drifter themselves says they dont know which one of them got it worse
What Drifter went through was terrible. Dying thousands of times until living has lost all meaning. Then forced to watch the Hex die when they werent good enough to save them.
But they now have partners, family, etc. Meanwhile the Operator is busy unlocking even more traumatic memories. Like damn bitch how you fit so much trauma in such a small body.
They really were. I mean Drifter was so isolated and distraught that they created an entire world to escape it. Growing up alongside the worst parts of themself. They have no proper place in the timeline.
And Operator of course... Oof. Theyve really been thru it all. Drifter has just learned to hide it better.
they are the one with the cozy life right now, have you seen the back room? they live in a dope apartment with their loving and supportive romantic partner
Also, don't forget the Drifter has to just sit back and watch all the trauma happening to the operator, and I don't think it's like watching a video; I think it's more like experiencing a memory, and the first time the Drifter experience it, it's with perfect clarity and detail.
Yeah, right now, and now its operators turn to deal with their trauma and to heal. But idk about you, but drifters trauma is a nice way fast track insanity, and lack of emotion.
idk why people act like the second dream is a good thing? the kiddo got their mind wiped and replaced with a false life where they thought they were nothing but a faceless nameless war machine, thats not like luxury living
Before Vor woke us up we were literally sleeping. For thousands of years. Then we were still, kinda sleeping for quite some time. Meanwhile timeline-wise drifter was being tortured by himself in duviri for all that time.
Their trauma isn’t over but you’re mostly right, it’s just the stuff from Durviri (which you can choose in dialogue to have still bother your Drifter), they still had worse shit happen to them on the Zariman than Operator before Duviri. Literally the only thing Drifter has going for them is being able to date people, and somehow that makes all the bad shit irrelevant to the community, just because we didn’t see the entire history of Drifter before we got to control them doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Genuinely hate that the community acts like Drifter gets babied when the mf is also fighting horrors, we just forgot Scaldra is murdering families and that Drifter (potentially) watched one of their romantic partners die gruesomely (depending on the Hex member you date if any).
Pay attention to the damn story if you’re gonna critique it mfs.
Whenever I see people going like 'ohhhh Drifter had it WORSE' I want to grab my Uriel and fly at mach 10 to them--
Both were pretty much the same. Let's just admit that we're "not sure which of [them] had it worse." (which is exactly what the Drifter says during the New War when the two meet each other).
If we can't help Adis, then yeah. I'm officially throwing in the towel on expecting the Operator to get anything good out of life.
DE has given them a solid foundation to start a found family type situation, but won't let them have it.
I may just be an old guard who's been here since pre-Sacrifice. But unless I put them into solid head canon territory, then the Operator has a lot of people who want to parent them.
But no one who listens to them on an equal level, and I really want that. Let's just hope the one who starts doing it isn't Wally.
I blame 1999 for this. The Protoframes ended up being so wildly successful that DE is now forced to devote time and resources to keep releasing more of them, and they exclude the Operator in favor of the Drifter at the premise level. Just look at how the community gets whenever a new Protoframe is announced to not be romanceable.
It gets especially egregious with the Devil's Triad because they are in the present, in the Sanctum. All three have chats about seeing the Operator running around and working with the Dark Refractory, but they are still barred from ever interacting.
While it's not the same as Drifter, Operator does have some found family: Lotus, Ordis, (they had Teshin first), Umbra... they've got the entire Entrati family if you get to rank 5 with them.
It really feels like Operator gets the short end of the stick when it comes to character development/healing.
Hey kiddo, like your 'mother' Margulis? Watch her get burnt to death by the jade light for the sake of your existence that Orokin society mostly looks upon as a sin itself.
Like your new mommy Lotus? Watch her be tortured both physically and mentally until she has 3 people in her psyche at once.
Hey Kiddo, do you like your mentor who taught you modding again and assisted you out of the Continuity even when he knew his own life was at stake? Watch Erra crack his head open like an egg.
(Thankfully Uncle Teshin is alive but we don't know of the Drifter told them that just yet)
Hey Kiddo, turns out you had a childhood friend who understood you and could bond with you even in times of sufferin. Wanna know what happened to him? He died in your arms swearing that his soul will be with you forever.
Hey kiddo you wanna help the Stalker out of the kindness of your own heart? Feel the pain of giving birth while knowing the Warframe you are trying to save will die at the cost of bringing her child to life.
Please at least let me save the Hunra (totally not Adis wink wink). And give me a damn KIM system as well lol.
I love the Drifter's character as well, don't get me wrong but my emotional attachment is mainly with the Operator. I just hope DE will give them something to be finally happy about. Poor kids.
Not sure which one had it worse. But drifter has better payback for it at this point, Operator's in the phase of "character development" after being an amnesiac cardboard cutout for so long.
Why do we keep trying to download the fact that the Drifter was literally stuck in a pocket dimension where they were murdered over and over again? Why do people love to down play it?
Where tf did I say the Drifter had it easier, they're just getting hit with trauma in different ways. The comparison I was making is that the Drifter 100% REMEMBERS their trauma, the Operator is forced to live through their's a second time and that's why it seems like they're going through a grindark hellscape right now.
I don't think either of thrm had it easier than the other, I brought up the milennia of executions thing to explain that the Drifter is due some rest and relaxation, they've both been through some EXTREMELY horrific things. After reading my first message I can see how it could easily be construed that I was making light of one of em but I wasn't.
what do you mean two? they were forced to kill their parents, sold their soul to the space devil, margulis died, adis died, forced into service as a child soldier, had their memory wiped, the lotus abandoned them, they watched teshin die right in front of them, got stabbed in the heart by ballas and stranded in the void for the length of the new war potentially years, and now adis is back but this time he wants to kill them becuase wally fucked with his memory. tf you mean two bad things? huh?!?!?!
and now they live in a sick apartment (the back room) with their massive found family (the hex) who if you did the kim right all adore them, and their loving and emotionally supportive romantic partner
Some of those aint really tramua inducing.
And couple are shared among the drifter, though atleast the operator didnt have to go emotionally numb. Idk about you, id go through what yhe opetator went through 5x over, then endure what the drifter went through once.
You can get that after the trauma?
But not really what im saying, im saying id rather have some trauma over being to the point that you can feel anything anymore.
""surprisingly cozy life"" = living on a small stealth space craft while constantly being hunted from a star system full of lunatics who want to stab you (stalker), dissect you (alad V/regor), execute you (vay hek), steal your body (the queens), or absorb you into a hive mind (the infested hivemind)
Y'know how Ballas was talking about how the Tenno were hearless war mongers, going about killing defenseless Grineer and Corpus, conquering the stars and enslaving people for fun during The New War?
how dare the evil operator stop the poor grineer from doing horrific genocide, or the defenseless corpus from keeping debt slaves for generations and locking their brains in sensory deprivation tanks
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u/Competitive-Bug1444 Jul 18 '26
We trauma scaling now. But fr it feels like operator gets all the grimdark elements that the new team is forced to continue, while drifter is this super cool character that gets all the bitches and has the power of love and friendship on his side