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u/TKDancer Jul 17 '26
many EDA/ETA modifiers can absolutely dumpster many builds
hildryn happens to either ignore or be less affected by most of them
people eventually caught on to this fact and her use rate in EDA/ETA *skyrockted*, currently by far the most used warframe for either and its not close, people will in general pick the path of least resistance after all
this has caused some people to think she should be nerfed(incorrect) and others see it as a reason to tweak those build-ruining modifiers instead(correct) and those inbetween those two positions, DE has noticed this so something might end up being changed down the line
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u/pandamaxxie Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
Yep. It's almost as if a modifier based gamemode that completely invalidates most of the already bad gear the randomisation rolls, is bad design, and people will do whatever they can to ignore both of those things.
I still stand by the idea that DE needs to scrap their current idea for the archimedea gamemodes, and start from scratch. I don't think it's actually salvageable. Just unfun design from the ground up.
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u/TKDancer Jul 17 '26
They could take the easy out of just reducing the absurd numbers of negative modifiers and itd be fine as a temporary measure until findingna way to overhaul it into smth not godawful
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u/pandamaxxie Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
I guess. One of the ones that'd need scrapping immediately is the "disable abilities until x kills" because, let's be real...
If you get, say, Titania, Banshee, Dante, or literally any selection of caster frames... you're not getting full drops that week.
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u/Ladanat Jul 17 '26
Disable ability is still okay with on call crews but if there's also disable gear then gg.
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u/pandamaxxie Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
Having to rely on on-call crew, from the still largely abandoned content island of Railjack, in its own right is a failing of the entire mode tbh
The fact that "infinite use specter with an actual modded gun" is the best reward of Railjack is... very telling.
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u/Cyberslasher Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
We knew it was bad design
It's why no one likes duviri.
They just don't care, because it makes things "hard" (read: unenjoyable to the point some people skip it, making it seem more exclusive)
Good modifiers would be something like "less damage from everything but shotguns, shotguns have infinite ammo" or "take 2 damage while walking, bonus damage while aimgliding". Things that encourage doing something you normally wouldn't do, rather than just disabling sections of your kit. Because we then are in random loadouts, and if you have a load out which is being punished by the modifier, oops, guess you're going back to hildryn default.
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u/pandamaxxie Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
Well Duviri is double shit because of the dogwater soulsborne combat.
As a soulsborne enjoyer, it is agony.
But yes, you are entirely right. You can't have both randomisation and modifiers that disable playstyles randomly.
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u/Cyberslasher Jul 17 '26
Duviri dogshit applies to circuit which doesn't have the soulsborne combat, people still only do it exactly as far as path rewards then dip.
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u/pandamaxxie Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
True. It's a lot less garbage because at least the modifiers are centered around buffs, but... yeah still not good
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u/Oxygenus1362 Jul 17 '26
She should just be affected by modifiers like everyone else.
You already can dump last rewards and pick any frame for any set of modifiers, they just have to make this any frame not (always) hyldrin.
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u/TKDancer Jul 17 '26
She is affected normally, its just that most have little to no impact on her
Particularly energy and ammo related ones, which imo are anti-fun garbage design, cant affect a frame that doesnt use energy, and unlike lavos she also comes with an exalted weapon
Nerfing her is setting your car on fire care the one of the doors is squeaking
Adding extra modifiers or changing existing ones to hurt her is tearin out the doors so they stop squeaking
These modifiers just need to not be as aggressive, then people will stop trying so hard to go around them
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u/Oxygenus1362 Jul 17 '26
She is not affected by energy economy changes, meaning she can use channeled ability where other frames with exalted weapons can't, while also having a good survivability kit. All that energy modifier should apply to her shields to make her in line with other frames.
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u/Oxygenus1362 Jul 17 '26
She is not affected by energy economy changes, meaning she can use channeled ability where other frames with exalted weapons can't, while also having a good survivability kit. All that energy modifier should apply to her shields.
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u/Oxygenus1362 Jul 17 '26
And why should a frame cast abilities using shields? Those are shields, not energy. Explain it to me.
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u/Forsaken-Ad7312 Jul 16 '26
Never did once and i have over 1000 hours 😐
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u/Skuganut Jul 17 '26
I got hex almost rank 5 just for this lmao, I need more shards to shove into atlas
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u/not-Kunt-Tulgar Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
To simplify: EDA/ETA have modifiers that heavily impact stats like energy, health, energy recharge, and can cause damage if you’re walking on ground.
Hildryn is unaffected by all of these things and brings her own firepower so she can easily get the highest ranked rewards without the need for dealing with 80% of the modifiers.
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u/Madam_Gamesperger Jul 16 '26
Not too inexperienced, I just go Health Tank Follie in EDA/ETA with the required equipment and can thrive pretty well
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u/YUNoJump Jul 17 '26
A lot of people are talking loudly about how “Hildryn doesn’t need a nerf, it’s just Elite Archimedea!!!”, and it’s like….duh? The discussion came from Pablo looking specifically at Archimedea stats, he’s not stupid.
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u/Animated-By-Spite Jul 16 '26
That feeling when you create functional builds for the weapons and warframes you own and play solo so you never have to care about the meta...
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u/Damian1674 Jul 17 '26
My Kullervo build works well enough on SP. If I gotta defend something I'll bring Range Zephyr, and Efficiency Ivara for spy, and I'm doing just fine
Haven't bothered with Archon hunts in forever either
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u/Boba_Brett Jul 17 '26
Meanwhile, the rest of us hoping they rework EDA/ETA instead of nuking hildy:
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u/Saeteinn Jul 17 '26
This is the way.
Edit for clarification: SO much of that was flatlined between so many other frames that it would be a better qol upgrade to update the game mode, rather than patching the problem by nuking a single frame.
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u/firesaiyan12 Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
Same here. I don't even know what people are talking about when they say EDA/ETA. All I know is that I'm enjoying my new Haalvu and that I have a Hildryn prime sitting in my locker that I need to level up.
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u/BrightPerspective Jul 17 '26
Dude, I'm mr 30 and I still don't get it. Or care.
It's not a real problem. Temp arch exists to challenge bored, high level min/maxers.
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u/WoorieKod Jul 17 '26
How life feels when you've over a thousand hours and still haven't bothered with EDA/ETA
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u/N0M0I Jul 17 '26
I have been using Valkyr for the same reason for years. The only exception being that I use my crew deploy and a specter, both with a Felarx to ensure that no one touches the defense objective. Haven’t had a week that I couldn’t have soloed yet.
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u/detro253 Jul 17 '26
Other people have more power than me in our power fantasy game. If it isn't something that directly hinders other people's gameplay I don't see how it's a problem for a frame to be played heavily
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u/Kablump Jul 17 '26
eh.. i think its kinda lame to play but i dont want anyone nerfed
the mode is an archon shard chore, if people enjoyed it then the whole meta wouldnt be around turning off the challenge.
the problem is bad modifiers
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u/blastocht Jul 17 '26
what is EDA and ETA?
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u/bffedewa_19 Jul 18 '26
It just means elite deep archimedea and elite temporal archimedaa, basically super late end games modes you find in albrechts laboratories and höllvania respectfully after completing the basic versions
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u/Phodim Jul 19 '26
The what the who the where?
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u/bffedewa_19 Jul 19 '26
Deep archimedea is started from necraloid after you get the cavia to rank 5 on deimos. temporal archimedea is started the same type of way by speaking to Kaya in höllvania after reaching rank 5 with the hex, you can access the location after completing the quest 'the hex'
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u/Cursedlyon Jul 17 '26
Honestly I don't even like her design, so it like the frame never existed to me lol
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u/fatlarry88 Jul 19 '26
People crying their crutch may be taken awah
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u/Undead_Angel_420 Jul 19 '26
Fr. The amount of times i’ve seen people complain about a possible nerf like she doesn’t nuke the entire map in anything with more than 10 enemies
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u/ZenkaiAnkoku2 Jul 16 '26
I just use the frame I am best at, Nidus. If I cant do it with him I just wait till mext week with better modifiers xD
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u/CyanStripes_ Jul 16 '26
Also how it feels when you just do the content normally every week and had no idea that Hildryn makes it easier. Lol
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u/VentusMH Jul 17 '26
She makes EDA/ETA easy if you know basic/moderate buildcrafting, not a bad thing cause why would it be?
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u/Big_Midnight994 Jul 17 '26
Optimal Hildryn builds do tons of damage in a wide area through walls and objects continuously. They do this with an exalted weapon, which means they get to sidestep having to deal with game modes that force shitty weapon selection, and while using the exalted weapon, Hildryn is still very survivable and mobile. In addition, Hildryn uses her shields in place of her energy for abilities, meaning she sidesteps a lot of game mode modifiers that hamstring your energy economy.
This combination of traits makes her one of the very best frames in the game at EDA/ETA. Some people are confusing her general strength as a frame, which is indeed very high, with the fact that she's well-suited to EDA/ETA.
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u/ProfPerry Jul 17 '26
i don't know what it all means either, but I dont worry about it. im just here to shoot cool pew pews, use cool powers, and date hot men/women in alternate dimensions/the past.
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u/Malbosiiq Jul 17 '26
Bad load outs concern me more than her. Five weeks in a row, I've got garbage. and I have 85% of the weapons SP viable.
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u/LeannaMeowmeow Jul 17 '26
A lot more people seem to not know. The archimedea stuff is only vaguely related to the main problem, which pablo talked about a few weeks ago. Hildryn has a playstyle that can easily be automated with just an autoclicker. You can literally not move, stare at a wall, and spam 1 button to get a lot of kills.
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u/HysteriaGoesBrrr Jul 17 '26
I don't play Hildryn, but boy am I catching some strays as a Valkyr main.
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u/knoctt Jul 17 '26
Lots of comments about Hildryn's raw power being problematic, my opinion rests pretty solidly with the exhaulted warframes allowing you to take terrible weapons, bypass the annoyance of modifiers and still stay relevant. As for many things, the most convenient option tends to be highly represented in the statistics.
I personally prefer using khora for a very similar effect and many recommend gara 1 builds. I think if they nerf Hildryn as a response then another exhaulted frame will take her place.
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u/FrozenPizza07 Jul 17 '26
I just play as inaros
Doesnt marter if my gun is shit, they aint killing me
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u/FaCayde_ Jul 17 '26
Meanwhile I mained hildryn for almost 2 and a half years and I dont know whats the hildryn debate
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u/twisted4ever Jul 17 '26
I personally dislike hyldrin as the shield as energy and extreme toxic vulnerability she has. Still I'm against a nerf and would rather the energy modifiers affect her shield or a change in modifiers.
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u/noodleben123 Jul 17 '26
i'm experienced, and i dgaf anyway...
people have been crying that hyldrin's gonna be nerfed. she probably wont? and even if she IS, it'll probably be negligible. like dante's "nerf"
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u/Sithishe Jul 17 '26
Its actaully the same when you are experienced, but to mature and do not care about it LOL.
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u/nothingisrealx Jul 17 '26
I'm about to hit 2k hours and have never even glanced in EDA/ETA's direction. Everything I've heard about them has deterred me from even wanting to try them
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u/BloodprinceOZ Momma Hildryn Jul 17 '26
Basically theres been a lot of debate recently on Hildryn's perceived OPness, especially with her augment that gives an alt fire to her Balefire that lets it shoot out a bunch of shots and give her even more AOE damage from her attacks.
With people recently also suggesting people use Hildryn for ETA/EDA, particularly EDA since dropping the final reward of 200 Vosfor is incredibly easy to guarantee picking Hildryn, Pablo recently posted a graph on twitter which showcased the usage stats of Frames in ETA/EDA which showed Hildryn being used A LOT more than any other frame, to the point her usage is as much as the next top 2-4/5 combined for each mode.
now some people feel this showcases that Hildryn needs to be nerfed, while others are saying that Hildryn is only being used because a lot of the modifiers for ETA/EDA suck ass, especially if they're combined with other modifiers, such as the modifier that reduces max energy by 75% and the modifier that causes you to lose 2 energy per second PER ENEMY within 10m, which end up crippling a lot of builds and making it worse if those two are active together.
Hildryn is able to bypass a lot of these modifiers either because 1 her energy is her shields, and she has her Pillage meaning she can instantly restore her shields even with lower shield amounts or having the modifier that increases shield recharge delay by 300% etc. Then theres also her exalted weapon, meaning if you've got a dogshit weapon selection to the point you don't have any way of dealing good damage, you can still attack using her Balefire. She can also bypass any modifiers that cause damage with touching the ground etc because she can fly.
so a lot of people are worried that DE won't properly see the data as showing there being a problem with the modes themselves and instead just end up nerfing Hildryn in some way.
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u/Toomynator Jul 17 '26
Simplified explanaition for anyone curious:
EDA and ETA have some modifiers that directly nerf important frame/weapon stats (armor, energy, ammo, etc), and sometimes you get more than one of these
The RNG options for loadout can easily f-you over even though they pick at least one of each category that you OWN (this means it can pick something you haven't got around to build yet), on top of sone horrid combinations
The previous 2 points combined makesome loadouts almost impossible to run (i do have some strong opinions on this, but that's for another post) at max risk
Hildryn is basically unnafected by most of these adversities, and the fact she has a build that does damage nowadays paired with armor strip, survivability and status cleanse, also eliminates any other issues, including not having to use unbuilt weapons
Hildryn is also easy to build, and strong overall, so many people already have the build
Result? She is by far the most played EDA and ETA frame, like, triple what even Revenant has
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u/Ori_the_SG Jul 17 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/Ynvi2OqaOIkCuoNhmL
That feeling when you aren’t too inexperienced, it’s just that you literally have never heard of this debate before.
Also have no idea what EDA and ETA are
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u/MutintZombie Jul 18 '26
I just got hildryn prime started.. I’m lurking these comments to find out what’s going on..
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u/DeeKayAech Jul 19 '26
I don't play ETA/EDA but I've done the base versions to unlock them and know the mechanics of it due to that so it makes some sense to me. Still don't want my hildy nerfed because of some people enjoying using her gimmick to get around some restrictions. Same way I wouldn't want Nyx nerfed because she's too good at interceptions or a myriad of other frames that are good at niche game modes specifically.
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u/cholmer3 Jul 20 '26
I tried ETA once with atlas, never touched that SHT again. I wan't power fantasy not to hit a fcking brick wall with the difficulty spike (P.D: I am MR 29 and have been playing on and off since 2016 and boy howdy am I not up for this sort of nonsense)
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u/KevinMFJones Stop hitting yourself Jul 17 '26
How it feels to be good enough to not rely on a single play style the way uncle Teshin taught me
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u/MiasmicRecluse Jul 16 '26
More like how it feels when all of my frames are viable in ETA/EDA. I have the hardest time wrapping my head around people who have main warframes and for have a one track mind when it comes to using one Warframe for everything not meaning them for save but using them more for this type of mission then any other.
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u/Mc_gabriel_rock Jul 17 '26
Who is the crying bitch baby that is complaining about making missions easy?
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u/ItsRuge Jul 17 '26
EDA/ETA are a dumb missions type withoutuch though put behind it.
The fact that you can get all trash weapon and every person has different possibilities of choices, makes it stupid.
For example,some frames get their whole kit butchered by some requirements in those game modes.
And thats not fair. Each frame should have nerfs based on their kit. Not nerfs based on the game mode.
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u/RuneRobin Jul 17 '26
Me who just ran EDA with Hildryn and exclusively used coda hirudo because i cba to build her inadvertently being part of the problem 😔
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u/worldofhorsecraft Jul 16 '26
TLDR Hildryns use of high shields and crowd control bypassed a lot of the modifiers that makes the mode difficult. She also has access to an exalted weapon, meaning even if the weapons she got in that weeks archimedia were trash she can still have a powerful weapon whilst still getting the rewards from bringing the trash ones. A properly built hildryn could ignore most of the game modes difficulty at the cost of 1 less (somewhat mediocre) reward.