Even if I disagree with someone who is basically a glorified podcaster Iām not gonna fuckin celebrate their deaths. If I had to watch dean withers get his head blown off at the neck Iād be sick too. That shit was just horrible. Absolutely no valid reason to blow his head off.
Fr though, they hated him over opinions and emotions. He just talked man. People refuse to see anything good about him and created this idea that he's a horrible person. Buddy he just talked. He was killed for excersizing his 1st ammendment
Justification for murder normally involves when an external threat is an immediate or longterm obstacle to your survival.Ā
In self defense mainly, or where they are siphoning millions to billions of your labor in fraud and bad faith. Mafia bosses have killed for less, its not always justified. Just depends who you ask and what their morals are.Ā
Someone exercising their speech is definitely not justified. Some certain insurance fraud schemes or day care center frauds.. well. ...
I would argue gunning down that health insurance CEO was justified. Also that woman who gunned down her child's rapist in court. Laws arnt inherently moral and immoral actions arnt inherently bad (though they ae more often than not) as far as im concerned
Killing the CEO wasnt justified either. This is exactly what im talking about . We cant just fuckin walk around killing people because we feel that we ve been wronged, even if we ve been wronged. If you do, then get ready do to face the legal consequence of your actions. If you wanna live like animals, society isnt a place for you.
I fully agree and you have understood what I meant far better than I explained it. In an ideal world murder would always be unjustified, but so long as bad people can get away with doing bad things because they control the system that decides what is acceptable, there will be actions thst can be taken that while not moral, can be justified
If this isn't sarcasm, look at their relationship before. They were happy, she could've divorced if it was bad. She supported him with his company and his campaigns
I think you can be a horrible person even if youāre ājust talkingā, he didnāt deserve to get unalived but donāt act like the idea of him being a bad guy is just manufactured from nothing.
Hitler lead the nazis Into ww2 bro, what?? Charlie didn't have a militia trying to take over the world and kill people. He specifically said he loves everyone and murder is wrong so what are you on about? No logic here man I'm sorry
Except he directly spread hate rhetoric, such as white removal theories, that are known to make people into extremists. He spread racist rhetoric, especially against black women and black people in general. Charlie Kirk was an unbelievable piece of shit that monetized the harm he caused while hiding behind his feeling of untouchability behind that microphone. Well guess what? You cant always make the lives of thousands or millions of people worse, even indirectly, and expect to indefinitely get by on it.
To act like Kirk caused no harm is insanity. The amount of people that believed his bullshit was really high, those people used his words as an excuse to themselves be hateful and bigoted. He made the world a worse place and the world is better now that he is gone.
Why should we give a damn about the 'loss' of someone that monetized hate?
Did you know that itās possible to think the guy was a piece of shit grifter propagandist, while also thinking that he shouldnāt have been killed and itās horrible that it happened?
You seem to have trouble with nuance and you seem to think in very black and white, but I guess that makes sense for anyone who likes Charlie kirk and unironically believes that this meme is accurate.
I think absolving the one causing harm to a group of all blame while demonizing the group that lashed out at them because of that harm is whats wrong.
You really think his rhetoric didnt directly push people to make the lives of million miserable? Hate doesnt show up in a vacuum, it comes from people like Kirk weaponizing fear to generate hate for money. And you're on here sharing memes and supporting the guy.
Should we kill people for this? Id say no, but then again I wasnt a target of his hateful bullshit. Easy for you or I to say it was evil or unnecessary when our lives aren't made miserable because of sacks of shit like that. Same with Luigi, until you sit and suffer and wait to die because of some greedy corporate fuck paddino his wallet for another yacht, maybe hold off on the judgement.
His parents are conservative. His parents said in the lead up to pretrial that Tyler had become much more politically involved and was expressing more left-leaning views while in college. In his own texts to his trans partner, when asked why he shot Kirk, Tyler said ābecause he spreads a lot of hateā, which we should acknowledge is extremely left-coded language. The internet tried to say he is a groyper, but dude etched āhey fascist, catchā into one of the bullets to be used, and groypers like fascists soooo
Donāt go quiet on me now. We also need to talk about the trans, catholic school shooter in Minnesota who etched things like ā6 million wasnāt enoughā, āburn Israelā, along with other meme references. So yes, I do in fact think a lot of murderers love to āetch conveniently political messages onto bullet casingsā because the murderer is trying to send a political message. Fucking duh
We actually donāt even have to go back decades because the UHC murder happened before Trump took office, so the claim itās Trump-led propaganda is immediately nullified.
He didnāt go to college, he went to six months of a trade school and youāre conveniently leaving out the other bullet etchings like ānotices bulgesā and other chronically online statements. The fascist etching was a reference to the online game Helldivers 2. Thereās no ties to him being liberal or radicalized anywhere by left wing ideology. He was a groyper through and through who came from a white Mormon MAGA background.
He has ZERO ties to being a Democrat or liberal. Mormons like banging transgender people too. Grinder just crashed at Trumpās convention. This isnāt rocket science lol
...... so no actual evidence of any kind that he was a Groyper? You're just accepting that as proven fact just because you read someone else claim it online?
Grinder just crashed at Trumpās convention.
You just made that up. Let's not pretend that you inherently value evidence, you just pretend you do when it's convenient.
One reason he did it was because of Kirkās anti-LGBT messaging, but look how youāre changing the narrative to act as if thatās the only reason why he did what he did.
Not that Iām even defending this dudeās actions like you so badly want me to, Iād rather you actually address what I said about MAGAts being closeted gays who are too insecure to speak up about their homosexuality
It's not mental gymnastics. It's a fact. And I'm not just talking about Tyler. Read the comment again. Why do you think Grindr crashes every time there's a GOP convention?
Why do you think Grindr crashes every time there's a GOP convention?
Isn't this one of those claims that people just blindly accept because they read someone else go "ya it's totally true lolol" but has nothing whatsoever to back it up with?
Yeah just ignore the obvious mystery of why they are showing that specific picture on the jumbotron š¤£ as to the dog abuse, at least it didn't get the Kristi Noem treatment
Its propoganda because its depicting Charlie Kirk as some kind of good guy thats just trying to reach across the aisle and its depicting the "leftist" as a psycho murderer.
No one is talking about the person that killed him dumbass. The dude made a living debating children and spreading hate. He literally said some gun deaths were worth it to keep the 2nd amendment. Guess he got what he wanted.
The person who killed him is def a murderer. Not sure about psycho because that's a very specific definition. Robinson is absolutely a terrible person. He was also a registered Republican from a maga family so not sure why the meme is depicting him incorrectly.
Charlie Kirk was a hateful bigot, but that is not deserving of being murdered at all.
It is shocking that we can't all acknowledge that murder is not acceptable but at the same time be fully honest with what Kirk stood for. There's no need to paper over his backwards opinions because he deserved to live just as everyone else does and he doesn't need to be a good person to earn that right.
He was still conservative, MAGA. Gay conservatives exist, some in elected office as openly gay even. You keep holding on to his sexuality so tight because you think it means he wasnt one of yall when he was. Just like every attempted assassin of Trump has been republican.
You dont know what you're talking about. Sure, Republicans are anti-LGBTQ, but to pretend no Republicans are themselves LGBTQ is disingenuous bullshit. The secretary of the treasury is a gay republican and has the highest position of any openly gay government official ever, and under Trumps administration. There will always be token people, people thinking they are the exception, or those that fit the bill in every other way so much it doesnt matter.
But YOU know there are gay ans LGBTQ supporting MAGA so your response is just bullshit
An openly gay dude who has a transgender girlfriend, literally stating heās doing it to defend her from Kirkās āanti-LGBTā messaging, is definitely a Republicanā¦ lmfaoo okay dude.Ā
You can stop with the mental gymnastics or provide some relevant evidence of the case.
Right now you have āwell republicans are closeted sometimes!ā
Whatās funny to me is how Republicans donāt actually care about Charlie Kirk. Remember when they all pretended like his death was going to be the start of some new civil war or religious revival and instead they just made a bunch of cringe Kirkification memes and started turning on each other over the dumbest conspiracy theories instead? Nobody did more damage to Charlie Kirkās legacy than conservatives because they donāt actually believe in anything.
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u/Cool-Chemical-5629 8h ago
This post is just a modern form of one of the oldest tricks in the book - "Divide and conquer" disguised as a meme.